Email Archive - Archive 2007 (6959 Messages) (Part 1 of 4)

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Here's one from me that I like: > > (l U') (r U')*4 (R U') > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > How is that even a domino alg? Shouldn't some of the turns be 180s? I > tried it on my 3x3 and all it did was twist 6 of the corners in place > and muck up the edges... Stupid me forgot to mention that I didn't bother writing down "2" for the vertical turns. So try: (l2 U') (r2 U')*4 (R2 U') Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Does anyone have a very short or easy to memorize parity alg for > sq1? It can mess up every single piece as long as it gets me back to > cube shape... If you understand parities, this is real easy. In a certain easy to reach shape you can change parity with a single twist. Think about it. Cheers! Stefan

> If you understand parities, this is real easy. In a certain easy to > reach shape you can change parity with a single twist. Think about it. > > Cheers! > Stefan I kind of do. I don't have a good way of getting to the star-shape though. There must be some easy to memorize alg that does this and then I can use it's inverse to come back. In fact I don't know any of the algs to get from star-shape to cube- shape. I think there are 5 cases right? Erm... if I feel ambitious enough I'll try to learn them. Another question that comes to mind for me is: Is it a necessary requirment to get to star-shape in order to flip the parity of the puzzle? Or in otherwords, is there existance of an alg that changes parity without encountering the star-shape? Okay, I'm going to mix up my sq-1 now! I only solve it a few times a year, but it's an hour away from the new year, I'm alone, and avoiding alcohol at all costs... :) -Doug

Happy New Year to all our puzzle friends! 2006 was a great year for cubing. We had 33 official WCA competitions (2005: 24). If you want a competition near you, then why not organize it yourself. We can help! I am looking very much forward to new countries, especially China, India and Russia. We had 822 3x3 solvers in WCA competitions (2005: 517). The only WRs that weren't broken in 2006 were: - 3x3 Fewest moves (though it was equaled) - Rubik's Clock (single and average) Source: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/regions.php? regionId=&eventId=&years=&history=History We had 6544 unofficial world record items posted on speedcubing.com. (2005: 4405). This is an average of 17.93 per day. We had many many tv appearances, including some big ones in USA, Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Our hobby is getting more and more popular. I hope we will meet again this year. You don't want to miss the World Championship 2007 in Budapest! It will be announced soon. Let 2007 be a year in good health for us all, with more competitions, in more countries, with more competitors, with better results, under fair conditions and with more fun! Have fun, Ron

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > The only WRs that weren't broken in 2006 were: > - 3x3 Fewest moves (though it was equaled) > - Rubik's Clock (single and average) > Source: > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/regions.php? > regionId=&eventId=&years=&history=History Viewing the message on yahoo.com that link gets broken and doesn't show the history. Short enough version: http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/regions.php?history=1 Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > Does anyone have a very short or easy to memorize parity alg for > sq1? It can mess up every single piece as long as it gets me back to > cube shape... > > > -Doug You are going to love this: /(-3,-3)/(0,-1)/(2,-4)/(4,-2)/(1,0)/(-3,-3)/ Easy to understand and remember. - Johannes Laire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQOnxRAIsjI GG

Hi everyone, As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for 2006 has been compiled. Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall cubers of that year. 2006 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) 4. Bernett Orlando (India) 5. Frank Morris (USA) 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) 8. Andrew Kang (USA) 9. Matt Walter (Canada) 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) The full spreadsheet is available at http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you can see where you rank for 2006. Dan Harris :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQMqI6uidc Dude... Sinpei Araki rocked on that show! Japanese television is always orders of magnitudes crazier than anything in the United States. Roller coaster blindfold solve? Electrodes attached all over his head? Insane... They'll be sending him to Cape Canaveral and launching him into space next. I didn't understand a single word of that video, but it was awesome. I think the WCA might want to consider mandating blindfolds like his for all future competitions. I know he probably doesn't know much English (and I apologize for not knowing any Japanese), but if someone knows him, do let him know that video was of fantastic! -Tyson

Before reading this I found a better one myself. It's almost the same: /(3,3)/(1,0)/(4,-2)/(-4,2)/(-1,0)/(-3,-3)/ It should be obvious why it works... it's a quick conjugation of the "/". This nice thing aboout this one is that all it does on the top layer is an H-Perm and leaves the edges in place on the bottom. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > You are going to love this: /(-3,-3)/(0,-1)/(2,-4)/(4,-2)/(1,0)/(- 3,-3)/ > Easy to understand and remember. > > - > Johannes Laire >

Two things I find suprising: I am actually on the top 50? ChirsH is not in the top 10? (I think he deserves an extra boost for big cube bld...) Again, thank you for doing this for us Dan. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for > 2006 has been compiled. > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > cubers of that year. > > 2006 > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > The full spreadsheet is available at > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you > can see where you rank for 2006. > > Dan Harris :) >

Okay so I said I might do this a few days ago and finally did... Some of you are gonna think I'm crazy for doing this or have too much time on my hands... I translated this Warren Liao youTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZLJy982deQ It's been a hobby of mine to translate Chinese texts. I'm pretty bad at it though, but I enjoy the practice. I've only studied Manderin for 4 semesters so if someone here can offer me some tips/corrections that be nice. However, it is exaushtive and includes pronuniciations. I was following a format I'd do for my Asian studies courses. So probably no one's gonna read it, but I expect Jon to since he sort of asked for it. Please, nobody link this in the youTube comments... I just would rather not have it there. It is a *.doc so you need MS Word, OpenOffice, or something equivalent but should be new enough to interpret Asian chracters. I'm also betting that most of you don't have any Chinese fonts installed... so it might not look right so I included a sample screen capure of how it should appear. Check it out here if you are interested: http://www- personal.umich.edu/~dlli/Translations/ I couldn't make out a few of the chracters and used "<?>" as a placeholder. If you know what those should be, tell me plz. It's a lovely video, really... (they did do some time snips so it appears more impressive than it really is, but still incredibly impressive). -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Anyone seen this one yet? Anyone willing to translate some of what is > being said? I can't even catch the guy's name. I'm sure that most of > you will find this... um... amusing. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZLJy982deQ > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us >

Thanks Doug! Very nice work. Great to get an idea of what they are saying. Jon http://www.nascarjon.us

Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki Cheers! Stefan

Is that serious or are you just joking? Really cool video...I loved the roller coaster part Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQMqI6uidc They'll be sending him to Cape Canaveral and launching him into space next. -Tyson __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQMqI6uidc Caught on tape clearly grabbing the cube after his blindsolve before his judge had a chance to check it. He should get a penalty! http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=Japan2006 Stefan

I have no clue...but let me make a "shoot" (that's what we say here on Brazil) with "Burnicki" you can write Rubik...and also Rubick :P no...I don't think is that... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki Cheers! Stefan __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Haha...yeah, I saw that too...that little cheater... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQMqI6uidc Caught on tape clearly grabbing the cube after his blindsolve before his judge had a chance to check it. He should get a penalty! http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=Japan2006 Stefan __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm really curious on how you can predict what will happen to the edges after your corner part, if you are really using that method on your website...you make almost no inspection... Pedro Alien Stranger <rubiks99ca@yahoo.ca> escreveu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQOnxRAIsjI GG __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks to that post (and my incredible baredom lately), I've fianlly managed to start timing myself on the sq-1. I got a 3:52 on my first timing. I'm inspired to take up sq-1 now. I should be breaking 90 sec soon. I am coming up with lots of nifty algs and learning them quicker than I would have expected. I think Patterson would be proud of me :). I'll be posting an UWR once I feel confident about it. I'm using a method where I first go to star-shape and then get to cube- shape, (unless it's obivous how to get there directly, but I'm also going to learn a set of algs that go from one square side to square- shape). Next, I solve a layer intuitively (D layer). I then check for parity and do a parity alg if necessary (although it's messes up a lot of things... and I have to resolve a layer). Then I do either a "J- Perm/L-Perm" or an "N-Perm" and finish up. I'm learning all 5 cases for star-to-cube. I almost know all the "PLLs", but I might not want to learn V and Y... although Y is not a bad case to do. The biggest problem I have now is to come up with better 3-edge cycle algs. I'm not happy with how complicated the ones I found are. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Yucht" <mgyucht@...> wrote: > > Hi, im Miles, new to the group. > > Does anyone know where i can find a square-1 to purchase? I haven't > been able to find anything, quite literally. > > Thanks for your help. >

I did it a couple days ago and didn't bother to post it till today. Too bad they don't actually say anything interesting. I didn't realize how lame the commentary was till I started concentrating on what they where saying. I was dazzled by the actual cubing. In contrast, that Japanese video that was recently posted on speedcubing.com would probably have very interesting commentary. Too bad I know absolutely no Japanese. Any one care to translate..., just a little (whatever you think is interesting - factual, but not obvious to us)? I'm starting to think that in general commentary sucks on Chinese TV shows. (I have 3 chinese tv channels on satellite that I watch.) It would be much better if talk shows do their *homework* beforehand and skip the obvious questions. Thanks, Jon. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nascarjon2001 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Thanks Doug! Very nice work. Great to get an idea of what they are > saying. > > Jon > http://www.nascarjon.us >

Thanks Doug, All fantastic advice. I think I got 2-3 seconds faster by just reading this! !!!sreehc --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Spoken like a true expert. > > A few comments though... let's start with the more wildly random > ones. > > 1) My name is "Doug"! the handle is dfunny and it has stuck since > grade school and is from the Nickelodeon cartoon (obvious to the > American pop culture ppl here). I don't like to be called that >_<. > > 2) I don't want to see another person using the sign-off > of "Cheers!!!" o_O. > > 3) Both of you are progressing nicely. Many of the cubers here have > been around for 4 years to be getting as fast/good as we are. There > are even a few old-school from the early 80's still around. True, > there are a few exceptional cubers out there that can master things > after only a year or two of cubing (and at this rate you can still > be one of them), but don't put unnessecary pressure on yourselves to > get fast. When I started cubing, I didn't focus on speed, and opted > to focus on "understanding". In the long run if you just blindly > focus on speed then you'd be missing out on all the coolness that is > hidden deep in the cube. Although, I should also point out there are > tons of sub-20 cubers out there that have a lot to learn still.... > > Cube for the journey, not the destination. :) > > 4) The second person's response should answer all your questions (oh > and btw, it makes it easier for ppl to answer all your questions if > you punctuate better, I like to do a "find" on the ?'s) > > 5) Working on F2L and PLLs at the same time should be enough to keep > you occupied. Just focusing on just one or the other may lead to an > early on-set of boredom. There are really only 13 PLLs and those are > important to learn (heck, even if you don't plan on being pure- > Fridrich like me - actually I'm far from it). The order of those and > c/e-pairing algs does make a difference. > > Start off with the shorter F2L algs. <This is where I'm too lazy to > suggest an order for it, so let's just pretend I did and/or wait > till someone else does.> And for PLL, learn the 3-edge cycles and 3- > corner cycles first. I would learn the slice version first and go > back to a 2-gen after halfway though OLLs. I am refering to the > following: (R2 U F B' R2 F' B U R2) and its F<->B mirror for edges > and then (x R' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2' x') and it's inverse. > > Oh, and DO know your notation, I don't quite agree with the second > post on that point. I think that beginners NEED to KNOW and USE the > standard notation that we as a community have adopted. It's the > freakin' language! It's like moving to France and not planning on > learning French. Don't make your own system... (if you feel up to it > extend the notation slightly sure, have some fun with it). Using > mnemonics and stuff might prove helpful, but I would consider that > notation. Also don't focus too hard on the "sound" of an alg. That > sound will gradually change as you get faster and perfect your > cubing-style anyways. It's something that will seep into your > subconscious for sure. (BTW, fun game to play at a cube gathering is > to bld ppl and have them figure out which alg you are perfoming > using their ears only...) > > So getting back to the point. Learn the Z-Perm, yes I said "the", I > don't like to use unqualified wording much, but in this case there > is really just one alg that like 95% of cubers use for it and it's a > really fun alg to coast with, as is the T-Perm. It's much easier to > have a cuber there to teach a beginner the Z-Perm, since it probably > takes 20 times longer to learn it on your own. Learn an H-Perm/+Perm > while you are at it. After T, do Y. Then finish off all the ones > that are in the parity group (N,J/L,F,R) but also stick E-Perm in > there too. This saves the G-Perm for last and that one has 4 > distinct appearences so it's harder to do regonition for but there > is a trick for that... > > Okay so hopefully the two of you are at least half way done with PLL > anyways and most of that was useless info. > > Before learning more than say 5 OLLs, master F2L. > > I've been cubing for years and still don't know about 1/3 of the > OLL. (I use a slightly different method actually and so I don't > really need them.) But even Fridrich followers can get to averaging > 17s knowing as much as I know about OLL and PLL I'm sure (given > detexterity of course). Try to learn those in order of alg length > too, for this I recommend Bob's site he has them laid out pretty > well. > > Well at the point where you start learning say 1/4 of OLL, spend > some serious time forcing yourself to be more active and optimal > with the cross step. This is typically neglected and cubers that are > fast (that know that they can make up the time elsewhere) will be > chronically lazy on that step. > > Target getting to 13s average on F2L including cross. To expedite > this, you can exclusivle do F2L solves for a sitting. After this > point is where I htink you have to master OLL (or do something > equivalently or more advanced/useful). > > I just did a 29.xx solve using Fridrich, with 2-look OLL. So it's > totally possible. (Next one was 30.78.) Okay I'm actually quite bad > at this, but it is accepted that averaging sub-25 is a realistic > goal using pure-Fridrich but with 2-look OLL. > > 5) You learned all of OLL in just 1 month! That must have been > rigourous. I would have recommened stretching that out further to > maybe 2 months with periods of "consolidation". Reminds me of how > ChrisH learned all of ZBF2L in just 1 intensive month, but that is > probably 3-4 times harder. But he didn't retain it...., so what does > that tell you about learning things too fast? > > I'm taking my time learning new algs. I learn a new alg (and it's > inverse and mirrors) once a week. It does get easier though...well > after it gets much harder. > > 6) In regards to the later remarks on the first post, memory really > doesn't have much to do with speedcubing (at least not anywhere near > the beginner level). It's more about intuition, I hold. Think about > it... all you really have to memorize straight are the 13 PLLs. c/e- > pairing algs can be learned intuitively for sure. Cheat a little and > refernce sites for the more awkward ones. But after studing (yes > cubing requires *studing*... I mean how else are you going to get > your cubing-diploma? o_O), ya after studing a new F2L alg for a > while you should be able to understand it well enough that it's not > counted as memorization. Okay I conceed that there are a few (just a > few really) that are best left memorized dead. The one I use for the > case when "the corner is in and good and the edge is in but flipped" > I did executed blindly for the longest time. Also there is the > related one where the corner is instead twisted in place. I also > never used the alg (R2 U2 R' U' R U' R2) (inverse to setup) for the > longest time and the one I used instead was memorized. > > Here's a brief description of what you should be doing while > learning an F2L alg: > I'll pick as an example, > R U' R' F' U2 F > (inverse to setup). BTW, I feel that the proper way to write an alg > is on a line by itself either single-spaced or no-spaces like that. > It's a very common thing to say "inverse to setup". Do do that; it's > a helpful studing technique. This of course requires you to > practice "reading an alg backwards". The skill is very important as > well as reading an alg mirrored and even the combinations of the two > whenever needed. > > I quickly got to the point where I can not only mirror algs on-the- > fly (and every cuber should be able to do this), but to be able to > inverse algs on-the-fly, which is much less mastered ability among > cubers. It comes in handy... Doens't come up a lot for Fridrich > users is why they don't generally care. I studied inversing a lot > for a CLL alg set, which is something more advanced (in a way, I > know... grumble, grumble...). > > So start with disecting the alg. Actually, start with picking the > alg that best suits your cubing style (but after only 5 months of > cubing you guys shouldn't really have a cubing-style to speak of). > Being able to disect them is needed for the selection process > though... > > I look at > R U' R' F' U2 F > and look for things of the form (X Y* X') or (X' Y* X), where it is > better if the * is not a 2. And I do "grouping" or "locating the > triggers" > (F' U2 F) looks good and (R U' R') looks even better. Thus the alg > should be > (R U' R') (F' U2 F) > the parentheses are actaully a part of our standard notation scheme > to denote the triggering [possiblities <since some expereienced > people may opt to deviate at their discresion>]. > > Learn stand-alone TRIGGERS. In fact, almost all of them are getting > names soon I hope! (I'd like to extend the core teamBLD callings for > them.) Practice things like (R U' R') like a thousand times! I like > to call it "kick right". Fingering is very important to get right. > If done right that trigger can be done under 0.50s comfortably. Oh > and do time yourself doing 10 back-to-back executions of this and > moving the decimal point to get an accurate timing. > > Come up with quirky names for triggers and algs yourself, it's > really fun (esp. with other cubers) and helps with the learning > process. Making flash cards like people often do for learning a > foreign language helps too, but that requires a greater measure of > dedication. > > The second part of that alg is a fast trigger too, plus it connects > well together. I recommend watching videos of these algs, I'm sure > thre are at least 3 sites that showcase individual videos of all the > algs you need to learn (typically a "slow" version along with > a "fast" version). > > > -Doug > p.s. I just realized I used the term "parity group," but that's not > a group in the mathematical sence.... I couldn't find an adequate > definition so that it would be; I'm such a dork. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, amtea <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I'm kind of in the same boat. I've been cubing for about 5 months > too. > > After starting fridrich about two or three months ago my times got > > faster. I'm now at about 40 for an average and I sometimes get > times > > individual times in the 20s. Since I am still thinking a lot when I > > solve, I know I can cut another ten seconds or so within a couple > of > > more months of practice. > > > > I know I am a novice so my advice isn't worth anything, but here > are a > > couple of things that come to my mind: > > > > 1) Progress in steps. Start with a four-look for a while, then go > to a > > three-look when you are not making any mistakes. Then last go to a > > two-look after you perfect your OLLs. In other words, first learn > easy > > PLLs and use them for a while before moving on to the harder ones > and > > save the OLLs for later. You can slowly add OLLs as you see the > need. > > It took me a full-month to memorize all of the ALGs for OLL and > their > > inverses. > > > > 2) When doing F2L, learn the pairs at first by really trying to > > understand the ALGs. It is not important to do them quickly. In > fact, > > it is probably best to do them extremely slowly and note how all of > > the pieces moves in relation to each other. This will be important > > later. Start with "easy" ones first and slowly move on to the more > > difficult ones, such as pairs that are out of place or stuck in the > > wrong slots, after you really know them with your both your fingers > > and your mind. You should know what the move will feel like before > you > > even attempt the ALG. So in other words, don't practice for speed, > > practice for perfection. > > > > 3) Create your on system for learning ALGs. Some people really > have a > > difficult time memorizing the notation as is. Of course learning > the > > notation is important to get a lot of the ALGs on the net, but you > may > > be able to make your own system that works for you better. For > > example, some people who learn better through music or sound may > want > > to learn the "sound" of the ALGs. I have two meanings by this. One, > > all of your finger tricks have a unique rhythm and sound, so the > > combination of moves will sound a certain way. You can then > practice > > to a metronome trying to get the rhythm faster and faster. Second, > you > > can rename the notation into consonant and vowel combinations. For > > example, a "R" turn can be called "TA," a "U" turn can be > called "BA," > > and a "R" can be called "TE." Thus a "RUR'" can be > renamed "TABATE," a > > new word you can memorize easily and sing along as you are cubing!! > > > > I know this is probably not the answer you were looking for and I > am > > in no position to make any advice, but I know exactly what you are > > talking about!!! > > > > To a sub-20 > > Cheers!!! > > >

>In contrast, that > Japanese video that was recently posted on speedcubing.com would > probably have very interesting commentary. Too bad I know absolutely > no Japanese. Any one care to translate..., just a little (whatever > you think is interesting - factual, but not obvious to us)? I would if I knew enough Japanese. I just started learning about a month ago. But luckily there are plenty of Cubers that know both Japanese and English. Jon

Hmm, a few days ago I started squaring again too. I'm consistently well under two minutes contingent on no mistakes, and I've got plenty of baredom too :) I'm doing the same get-to-cube as you are (star->cube unless I recognize the pattern), but then I'm pretty much doing the method Lars Vandenbergh describes on his page (separate corners, separate edges, solve corners, solve edges) with a few more substeps in there since I haven't learned all the algs yet. Ultimately I hope to learn optimal getting-to-cube, but that's not a top priority. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Thanks to that post (and my incredible baredom lately), I've fianlly > managed to start timing myself on the sq-1. I got a 3:52 on my first > timing. > > I'm inspired to take up sq-1 now. I should be breaking 90 sec soon. I > am coming up with lots of nifty algs and learning them quicker than I > would have expected. I think Patterson would be proud of me :). > > I'll be posting an UWR once I feel confident about it. > > I'm using a method where I first go to star-shape and then get to cube- > shape, (unless it's obivous how to get there directly, but I'm also > going to learn a set of algs that go from one square side to square- > shape). Next, I solve a layer intuitively (D layer). I then check for > parity and do a parity alg if necessary (although it's messes up a lot > of things... and I have to resolve a layer). Then I do either a "J- > Perm/L-Perm" or an "N-Perm" and finish up. > > I'm learning all 5 cases for star-to-cube. I almost know all > the "PLLs", but I might not want to learn V and Y... although Y is not > a bad case to do. > > The biggest problem I have now is to come up with better 3-edge cycle > algs. I'm not happy with how complicated the ones I found are. > > > -Doug > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Yucht" > <mgyucht@> wrote: > > > > Hi, im Miles, new to the group. > > > > Does anyone know where i can find a square-1 to purchase? I haven't > > been able to find anything, quite literally. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > >

Hey guys, Matt Walter and I made a very nice team solve video today... Check it out ;). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocvKEzb7OaE Matt and I have been practicing today... We broke 45 seconds 3 times. We also got to 30 seconds for F2L and OLL, but we messed up the PLL there :(. Anyway: Happy new year everybody!! - Joël AND Matt.

We all know that the current record listed in Guinness 2007 for most cubes solved in an hour is incorrect. Numerous people could easily break the record of 42. Has anyone contacted Guinness about it or tried going through the process here - http://tinyurl.com/y7kkpb - to correct the record? -Anthony [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have ordered from cubesmith.com several times and have been very satisfied with the quality of the products in addition to the short shipping times. I even bought the Scrape Rite product to help with scraping off old puzzle stickers. However, I have one question: what do you use to get rid of the old sticker residue that is left behind? I have tried using Rubbing Alcohol to no avail, and I have tried using the Scrape Rite plastic blade in an attempt to get rid of the residue, but neither worked! is it okay to simply place new stickers over the cube and leave the leftover residue on there? I would think that it would be best if I removed all of it first...So, what can I do to remove it?

I'm not a superstitious person, but I do believe in one small thing... Never tell anyone about something good while it's happening. That's why no one talks to a pitcher when he's throwing a perfect game or no-hitter. Average: 16.34 seconds Individual Times: 13.83, 14.74, (13.73), 15.58, 15.65, 15.07, 17.92, 19.11, 19.46, 16.20, 15.86, (19.69) I did the first six solves, and then talked to Chris Krueger. So sad... I was doing a blindfold average once too. I solved 10 cubes in a row with an average slightly over 2 minutes (maybe it was under 2, but I don't remember) and then I told a rather attractive member of the opposite gender that I had gotten 10 in a row. She then asked me what my record was. Sadly, that number is 10. -Tyson

I'm really enjoying watching Will Smith solve cubes on different shows. It's fun to see that he still does it *exactly* like we taught him, and he does it well. But in today's segment in Access Hollywood he showed off a whole new move we definitely didn't teach him. And I suspect many of us can learn a lot from it. It's right at the end, when he leans in and kisses the very impressed interviewer!! http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=52364 - - - - - - - - - - - - It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues. -- Abraham Lincoln Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

I've tried that trick as well and I find it works best with a female audience. The key is to perform it as close to the end of the solve as possible so that the viewer is still in a state of shock. -Chris On 1/1/07, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > I'm really enjoying watching Will Smith solve cubes on different > shows. It's fun to see that he still does it *exactly* like we taught > him, and he does it well. > > But in today's segment in Access Hollywood he showed off a whole new > move we definitely didn't teach him. And I suspect many of us can > learn a lot from it. > > It's right at the end, when he leans in and kisses the very impressed > interviewer!! > > http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=52364 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few > virtues. > -- Abraham Lincoln > > Lars Petrus - lars@... <lars%40lar5.com> http://lar5.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The algorithm he learned there was F U R U' R' F'. While I was on the set, I taught his fitness trainer and hair stylist. I think he learned it from them. -Tyson On Jan 1, 2007, at 11:18 PM, Chris Hunt wrote: > I've tried that trick as well and I find it works best with a female > audience. The key is to perform it as close to the end of the solve as > possible so that the viewer is still in a state of shock. > > -Chris > > On 1/1/07, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > > > I'm really enjoying watching Will Smith solve cubes on different > > shows. It's fun to see that he still does it *exactly* like we > taught > > him, and he does it well. > > > > But in today's segment in Access Hollywood he showed off a whole new > > move we definitely didn't teach him. And I suspect many of us can > > learn a lot from it. > > > > It's right at the end, when he leans in and kisses the very > impressed > > interviewer!! > > > > http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=52364 > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few > > virtues. > > -- Abraham Lincoln > > > > Lars Petrus - lars@... <lars%40lar5.com> http://lar5.com > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

A really sharp scrape-rite if used properly can get most of it. But first, it's probably in the sticker-removal where your efforts are best spent. It is possible to remove stickers in such a way as to minimize the amount of residue left. Probably because I'm so used to doing it, I just rub the gunk off with my thumb. And even if I use other approaches I always finish off by using my thumb, I like how it gives it a fine coat of skin oils (thus making it easier to peel a sticker next time). Never use alcohol to on the exterior of your cube. It's not going to do anything. On a separate note, the use of acetone can soften the plastic a bit and yield a smoother feel to a cube, but use short exposure times. Anyways, the solution I offer is to use a product called "Goo Gone". I got myself a large volume of it and it is great with dissolving just about anything sticky and/or oily. (I use it to clean my pots and pans sometimes when they get really ugly, but it's synthetic so is probably posionous if ingested...) I don't believe it disolves the cube plastic, but I've always tried to keep the exposure to a minimal. It's very strong, I apply it with a cotton swap and immediately wipe it off with a cloth or tissue. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "andyaycw" <andyaycw@...> wrote: > > I have ordered from cubesmith.com several times and have been very > satisfied with the quality of the products in addition to the short > shipping times. I even bought the Scrape Rite product to help with > scraping off old puzzle stickers. > > However, I have one question: what do you use to get rid of the old > sticker residue that is left behind? I have tried using Rubbing > Alcohol to no avail, and I have tried using the Scrape Rite plastic > blade in an attempt to get rid of the residue, but neither worked! is > it okay to simply place new stickers over the cube and leave the > leftover residue on there? I would think that it would be best if I > removed all of it first...So, what can I do to remove it? >

So it is not necessary to get ALL of the gunk off? Just most of it? Hm, I was always under the impression that before applying stickers, you should clean off the surface very cleanly...I was wondering how pro cubers resticker their cubes at competitions when the need for it arises. Though, perhaps I was under the wrong impression...?

THANKS! I really have to try that one sometime. Will S. needs a real speedcube though, that one in the clip doesn't look so great... His technique could still use a lot of work. He is consistant, seems to know his stuff well, and his reaction time isn't bad. Practicing a good cubing style and aquiring a cube that is loose enough to do U/U' using the index fingers - I believe are what would help his times the most. "He probably practices this every day"??? I'm sure if he did that then he'd be breaking 30s by now. This guy actually has a life though, unlike some of us o_O... He kissed her on the cheeks! But he's married... so I don't know about that. (I am the type of person that woulnd't touch another woman once I get married.) I think that girl is really hot! -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" <huntca@...> wrote: > > I've tried that trick as well and I find it works best with a female > audience. The key is to perform it as close to the end of the solve as > possible so that the viewer is still in a state of shock. > > -Chris >

I made him a fantastic speed cube! The cube he used in the movie was a very very good speed cube. I was solving it sub-18 without much problem. Chris Liccardi also made him a speed cube with tiles that says "Will's Cube" on it. You know... his technique could use a lot of work, but it's just not a priority for him. -Tyson On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:11 AM, d_funny007 wrote: > THANKS! I really have to try that one sometime. > > Will S. needs a real speedcube though, that one in the clip doesn't > look so great... > > His technique could still use a lot of work. He is consistant, seems > to know his stuff well, and his reaction time isn't bad. Practicing a > good cubing style and aquiring a cube that is loose enough to do U/U' > using the index fingers - I believe are what would help his times the > most. > > "He probably practices this every day"??? I'm sure if he did that then > he'd be breaking 30s by now. This guy actually has a life though, > unlike some of us o_O... > > He kissed her on the cheeks! But he's married... so I don't know about > that. (I am the type of person that woulnd't touch another woman once > I get married.) I think that girl is really hot! > > -Doug > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > <huntca@...> wrote: > > > > I've tried that trick as well and I find it works best with a female > > audience. The key is to perform it as close to the end of the solve > as > > possible so that the viewer is still in a state of shock. > > > > -Chris > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > We all know that the current record listed in Guinness 2007 for most cubes solved in an hour is incorrect. Numerous people could easily break the record of 42. Has anyone contacted Guinness about it or tried going through the process here - http://tinyurl.com/y7kkpb - to correct the record? I say we boycott them. Real cubers don't look for records in that book anyway. They suck. And the 42 cubes guy should be ashamed. Not because he's so slow but because he has the gall to pretend he's any good. Guinness authoritative for records? Yeah right. Cheers! Stefan

We do boycott them! Or, at the least, we don't recognize what Guinness has to say. I gave up on Guinness when I talked to them about recognizing world records. This whole "two Rubik's Cubes out of fresh packaging" thing is completely bogus. Honestly, who was editing those pages? Think... world record 11.13 seconds, 42 cubes in an hour? Something doesn't add up here. Most cubers could solve 42 cubes in an hour while *censored vulgar statement here* in the *certain room in a home* in between solves! -Tyson On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:47 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu > <erwaman@...> wrote: > > > > We all know that the current record listed in Guinness 2007 for most > cubes solved in an hour is incorrect. Numerous people could easily > break the record of 42. Has anyone contacted Guinness about it or > tried going through the process here - http://tinyurl.com/y7kkpb - to > correct the record? > > I say we boycott them. Real cubers don't look for records in that book > anyway. They suck. And the 42 cubes guy should be ashamed. Not because > he's so slow but because he has the gall to pretend he's any good. > Guinness authoritative for records? Yeah right. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > >

Or, you know, doing that while cubing. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > We do boycott them! Or, at the least, we don't recognize what Guinness > has to say. I gave up on Guinness when I talked to them about > recognizing world records. This whole "two Rubik's Cubes out of fresh > packaging" thing is completely bogus. > > Honestly, who was editing those pages? Think... world record 11.13 > seconds, 42 cubes in an hour? Something doesn't add up here. Most > cubers could solve 42 cubes in an hour while *censored vulgar statement > here* in the *certain room in a home* in between solves! > > -Tyson > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:47 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu > > <erwaman@> wrote: > > > > > > We all know that the current record listed in Guinness 2007 for most > > cubes solved in an hour is incorrect. Numerous people could easily > > break the record of 42. Has anyone contacted Guinness about it or > > tried going through the process here - http://tinyurl.com/y7kkpb - to > > correct the record? > > > > I say we boycott them. Real cubers don't look for records in that book > > anyway. They suck. And the 42 cubes guy should be ashamed. Not because > > he's so slow but because he has the gall to pretend he's any good. > > Guinness authoritative for records? Yeah right. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > >

Tyson, was it you or your brother that taught him? or both of you? or you 2 and Lars? Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: I made him a fantastic speed cube! The cube he used in the movie was a very very good speed cube. I was solving it sub-18 without much problem. Chris Liccardi also made him a speed cube with tiles that says "Will's Cube" on it. You know... his technique could use a lot of work, but it's just not a priority for him. -Tyson On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:11 AM, d_funny007 wrote: > THANKS! I really have to try that one sometime. > > Will S. needs a real speedcube though, that one in the clip doesn't > look so great... > > His technique could still use a lot of work. He is consistant, seems > to know his stuff well, and his reaction time isn't bad. Practicing a > good cubing style and aquiring a cube that is loose enough to do U/U' > using the index fingers - I believe are what would help his times the > most. > > "He probably practices this every day"??? I'm sure if he did that then > he'd be breaking 30s by now. This guy actually has a life though, > unlike some of us o_O... > > He kissed her on the cheeks! But he's married... so I don't know about > that. (I am the type of person that woulnd't touch another woman once > I get married.) I think that girl is really hot! > > -Doug > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Hunt" > <huntca@...> wrote: > > > > I've tried that trick as well and I find it works best with a female > > audience. The key is to perform it as close to the end of the solve > as > > possible so that the viewer is still in a state of shock. > > > > -Chris > > > > > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I also have that problem...there's no Goo Gone where I live...lol...so I have to find another ways...I remember that alcohol worked for me once...but some time ago I was restickering my 4x4x4 and it didn't work...I tried...I don't know the name in english...is that thing you use to wash clothes and make them white...lol...and smells strong... oh, another thing I found is that using that blade from cubesmith is actually worse (at least for me). It lefts more "goo" on the cube that using your hands to peel the stickers... Pedro andyaycw <andyaycw@...> escreveu: So it is not necessary to get ALL of the gunk off? Just most of it? Hm, I was always under the impression that before applying stickers, you should clean off the surface very cleanly...I was wondering how pro cubers resticker their cubes at competitions when the need for it arises. Though, perhaps I was under the wrong impression...? __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wow! Very nice! :) Jasmine On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 03:01:10 -0000, "Joël van Noort" <joel_vn@...> said: > Hey guys, > > Matt Walter and I made a very nice team solve video today... Check it > out ;). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocvKEzb7OaE > > Matt and I have been practicing today... We broke 45 seconds 3 times. > We also got to 30 seconds for F2L and OLL, but we messed up the PLL > there :(. Anyway: Happy new year everybody!! > > - Joël AND Matt. > -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service

I mentioned this to some of you in person at recent European competitions, but just wanted to post here to let everyone else know. After 2 years in London (preceded by 6 months in the US, preceded by 28 years in Australia), I'm moving back to the US. I'll be on the east coast, so I won't make it to many Caltech comps (although I'll try to get to some), but I'll keep an eye open for upcoming east coast comps! :) Jasmine http://speedcuber.blogspot.com/ -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail...

Hi everyone, I just wanted to post about a fun opportunity I had on New Year's Eve. The organization that runs our New Year's Eve party downtown read about me in that article I was in in my local paper and hired me to do a cubing workshop downtown on New Year's Eve. They gave me a fairly long room and a good amount of space in the city museum just after you come in off the street. I brought my Stackmat timer display and Stackmat so I could do demonstration solves as well as let other cubers try the mat. I did manage to find 3 other cubers, one guy solved on the mat in about 2:30, another guy in about 3:10. Another lady could also solve it but didn't get through a whole solve on the timer. I mostly showed people speedsolves, a couple blindfolded solves, and spent the largest part of my time describing the steps of a beginner method. I showed people how to form the cross, how to solve the corners, then from there just described the flow of the solve after that. They gave me 5 cubes to put on the table in front of me for anyone to use, and they were constantly in people's hands and people were trying them out. I'd say at it's largest I would be solving for a crowd of about 40 people, and sometimes as few as 5-10. I was basically in the entrance to the museum so people were constantly passing through and just watching for a few minutes, but at times a large number of people would stop to watch. I attempted 5 blindfolded solves during the workshop and DNF'd 3 of them, but got 2 of them successfully. The successful times were something like 2:45 and 3:10. I was really trying to pitch that the cube is not as hard as people say it is, and that all it takes is a little bit of persistance. I told people that if they do get frustrated I recommend trying to find some hints on the internet, which is what I did. I also said that if anyone did want to figure it out on their own, it's absolutely possible and all it takes is some persistance with it. The workshop was fun, I met a lot of former cubers who could solve in in the 80's but couldn't remember their whole method now so I would show those people the next step for whatever step they were stuck at. People were usually passing through to the rest of the museum, and I was right by the front door so I usually only had time to show people 1 step. There were a LOT of kids who kept coming up and trying out the cubes. A couple of the kids I was able to show how to get a cross on one side, and every single one of them was totally hooked and didn't want to leave when their parents said they had to. A good number of them asked their parents if they could go and buy a cube which I thought was cool ;-) I got the "I used to peel the stickers" comment about 5 times during the time I was there heh heh, which wasn't so bad I was kind of expecting more :-) I mostly just said "Well that works true, but it sure takes a while ;-)" Anyway I had a blast, and the people who managed to come to the workshop really seemed to enjoy trying out the cubes and learning the first step or 2 of the beginner method I was showing. People absolutely went crazy over the blindfolded solves, even on the times when I DNF'd since there were still a good number of pieces solved. The two solves I got successfully the crowd applauded. For BLD cubing I was also pitching that it's not impossible or even super difficult. I told people I don't have a photographic memory and that I just memorize the instructions to myself of how to solve, so in effect after I stop looking at the cube (I didn't have a blindfold so I just looked down at the floor and held the cube high over my head while solving) I have no idea what the cube looks like, I only know what to do in order to solve it. Anyway I didn't get any pictures sadly, but I wanted to do a writeup about it since it was so much fun. The best part. Not ONCE - not one single time did anyone say "Oh hey the cube is back!" or "Oh that 80's toy, wow I haven't seen one of those in years!". I think the cube is already "back" - I never hear comments about how it's on the comeback or how it's an old 80's fad, everyone is just used to it again now! I did meet a few people who hadn't physically messed around with a cube since the 80's but nobody said anything about how they hadn't even seen a cube since the 80's, or mentioned how the cube was an "80's fad" that was coming back. That makes me really happy, I think cubing is continuing to grow and hopefully will continue even through 2007! Hope everyone had a Happy New Year - and as always happy cubing, Chris

You're close. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > I have no clue...but let me make a "shoot" (that's what we say here on Brazil) > > with "Burnicki" you can write Rubik...and also Rubick :P > > no...I don't think is that... > > Pedro > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

On Jan 2, 2007, at 0:11, d_funny007 wrote: > THANKS! I really have to try that one sometime. > > Will S. needs a real speedcube though, that one in the clip doesn't > look so great... That's a cube the interviewer ambushed him with. It's probably brand new. > He kissed her on the cheeks! But he's married... so I don't know about > that. (I am the type of person that woulnd't touch another woman once > I get married.) I think that girl is really hot! I think Will and his wife has made it clear that they're on the opposite end of that spectrum from you. - - - - - - - - - - - - "The mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work unless it's open." --- Frank Zappa Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Really? oh...but...you can't write Erno with the other letters...so, I don't know what can be...haha :P Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: You're close. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > I have no clue...but let me make a "shoot" (that's what we say here on Brazil) > > with "Burnicki" you can write Rubik...and also Rubick :P > > no...I don't think is that... > > Pedro > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, there's enough letters for "Rubiks Cue" but no second "b"... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > You're close. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > I have no clue...but let me make a "shoot" (that's what we say here > on Brazil) > > > > with "Burnicki" you can write Rubik...and also Rubick :P > > > > no...I don't think is that... > > > > Pedro > > > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@> > escreveu: Here's a riddle. What's > special about this guy? > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Well, there's enough letters for "Rubiks Cue" but no second "b"... Not a second one, true, but at least he does have all letters and he's the only one: http://tinyurl.com/yxpfya Cheers! Stefan

Yes, there are 5 cases: http://www.geocities.com/jaapsch/puzzles/square1.htm#s1 ----- Original Message ----- From: d_funny007 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:11 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: square-1 > If you understand parities, this is real easy. In a certain easy to > reach shape you can change parity with a single twist. Think about it. > > Cheers! > Stefan I kind of do. I don't have a good way of getting to the star-shape though. There must be some easy to memorize alg that does this and then I can use it's inverse to come back. In fact I don't know any of the algs to get from star-shape to cube- shape. I think there are 5 cases right? Erm... if I feel ambitious enough I'll try to learn them. Another question that comes to mind for me is: Is it a necessary requirment to get to star-shape in order to flip the parity of the puzzle? Or in otherwords, is there existance of an alg that changes parity without encountering the star-shape? Okay, I'm going to mix up my sq-1 now! I only solve it a few times a year, but it's an hour away from the new year, I'm alone, and avoiding alcohol at all costs... :) -Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 Hi everyone, As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for 2006 has been compiled. Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall cubers of that year. 2006 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) 4. Bernett Orlando (India) 5. Frank Morris (USA) 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) 8. Andrew Kang (USA) 9. Matt Walter (Canada) 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) The full spreadsheet is available at http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you can see where you rank for 2006. Dan Harris :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h a n m a c k y". --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim > Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@> wrote: > > > > Well, there's enough letters for "Rubiks Cue" but no second "b"... > > Not a second one, true, but at least he does have all letters and > he's the only one: > > http://tinyurl.com/yxpfya > > Cheers! > Stefan >

November 24, 2006 Video of Will Smith solving Rubik's Cube on Oprah show. Item starts around 8:23 in the video. (link by Casen Davis) (this was posted on speedcubing.com) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aau4dSzXxqw If you would like to archive things that get posted on youtube you should check out a tool called vdownloader (http://baixaki.ig.com.br/download/VDownloader.htm) ----- Original Message ----- From: d_funny007 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: On the local news I was *so* close to spending new years in Chapel Hill too! I would have, if I knew for sure I could hang out with chris there. However our means of contacting him are somewhat limited these days... >_<. --------------------------- It is always great news to hear that cubing is in the media again. However, it used to be that various media things would be stashed somewhere on the internet for us to grab. I really pride myself on my collection of cubing in the media clips and have noticed a huge decline in people archiving such things. I used to hope to collect every single piece of cube-in-media clips in the last 10 yrs... having things on youTube for a short while is no good. grrr... Anyhow, two things I would really like to have: a clip of DanK on the Ellen D. show, and a clip of Will S. on Oprah. Also I want to take this opportunity to point out some new cube sightings I made! Episode 1x21 of "Angel" features a cube and Pyraminx. There is also one episode of "Buffy" that has a cube on one of the character's nightstands (impling they cube). I forgot which one, and wonder if someone here knows. I have yet to watch "Happyness"... :(. But for those of you who have, how many scenes is there a cube? Just the one? (I hope not!) -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Chris! > > I'm in the area (chapel hill/carrboro) and i was wondering if the raleigh celebration will > have a competition. I've never entered one before (because a majority are out west or > otherwise inaccessible) and would really love the opportunity. If there isn't going to be > one that's cool, i'll probably still end up there anyway. I know a couple othere people who > are going to try and come too. > > Also, i'm president of the rubik's cube club at my school and i was wondering if maybe we > could work something out and have you visit one of out meetings and maybe give us a > talk or something. Let me know. (my real email address is captnjohnny1618@... > if you want to reach me that way) thanks! > > ~John Hoffman~ > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I was on my local news station tonight for the cube. I was hired by > > the organization running our New Year's celebration for a 2 hour > > performance at a venue to demonstrate/talk about the cube. They are > > doing a flashback section along the street from the 70's through the > > 90's and of course the cube is featured in the 80's section. > > > > I tried to catch the clip on tape but was unsuccessful. Anyway the > > clip was only about 10-20 seconds long. First they showed my hands > > close up solving, then they showed a fast forwarded (clearly marked > > with a sub-title) 17 second solve. > > > > I wanted to get the video up here but I probably goofed the setting > > on my VCR or something so the video didn't capture. > > > > Well, cubing is certainly growing in the media in my local area > > because of the Pursuit of Happyness movie and all of Tyson's media > > coverage. I hope this movie has more effect on the cubing community > > in general, because it certainly is putting it in the spotlight in > > my local area. > > > > Happy cubing, > > Chris > > > > P.S. Reporters and News people no longer ask me those questions "So > > do you think the Rubik's cube is on the comeback?" or "Do you think > > this Rubik's cube revival will last?" or any other variation. They > > now mostly ask me about competitions and records and what > > competitions are coming up next worldwide, etc.. I think that's > > good, because I think they just assume the cube is back now and so > > they don't ask those "comeback" questions any more :-) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > cubers of that year. The best overall speed-cubers, maybe. Gilles.

Mm, that would give me a nice, undeserved boost --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > Hi everyone, > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for > 2006 has been compiled. > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > cubers of that year. > > 2006 > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > The full spreadsheet is available at > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you > can see where you rank for 2006. > > Dan Harris :) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

That would be a great idea :D --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > Mm, that would give me a nice, undeserved boost > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. > However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dan > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world > rankings" > > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into > account > > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) > for > > 2006 has been compiled. > > > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and > 5x5x5 > > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best > overall > > cubers of that year. > > > > 2006 > > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > > > The full spreadsheet is available at > > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - > so you > > can see where you rank for 2006. > > > > Dan Harris :) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

This database is FANTASTIC!! You guys who put this together are AWESOME!!! :) Jasmine -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different

I didn't include the 2x2x2 because in my opinion (remember I am the one who compiled these lists :) ) - the 2x2x2 is more of an event like the magic or clock. I feel that the 2x2x2 cube is much more about mindless execution of a system compared to the skill it takes to solve, than the 3x3x3 cubes and upwards. I can't explain myself very well, but heres what i mean, in HYPOTHETICAL numbers. if the threshold were say 10% skill (seeing shortcuts, looking ahead, special tricks, etc) and 90% mindless execution 3x3x3 could be 20:80 4x4x4 30:70 5x5x5 50:50 but 2x2x2 5:95 magic 0:100 etc Megaminx could be included in the list, but then it would discount too many people as you have to have a solve in all the events to feature on the list. So in short I discounted 2x2x2 becasue it adds very little about a persons skill. But of course you're welcome to compile an alternative list! Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > Hi everyone, > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for > 2006 has been compiled. > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > cubers of that year. > > 2006 > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > The full spreadsheet is available at > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you > can see where you rank for 2006. > > Dan Harris :) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

You can use some packaging tape to pull the adhesive from the old stickers off of your cube. It works great. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "andyaycw" <andyaycw@...> wrote: > > So it is not necessary to get ALL of the gunk off? Just most of it? > Hm, I was always under the impression that before applying stickers, > you should clean off the surface very cleanly...I was wondering how > pro cubers resticker their cubes at competitions when the need for it > arises. Though, perhaps I was under the wrong impression...? >

Yes, you're right. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > > cubers of that year. > > The best overall speed-cubers, maybe. > > Gilles. >

I did a search on "lubricant' to find older posts on this topic with high hopes that I could find a more definitive answer as to what type of lubricant to use. I actually just came back from Lowe's after purchasing a can of Teflon Silicon Spray, but after reading some of the messages, I decided against using it. As a result, I decided to finally use my Cube Lube that I obtained when I purchased a DIY kit from Rubiks.com. I have two questions on this matter: 1) How much of the cube lube should I use? I put about 1/4 of the syringe in, and 2) Immediately after putting the Cube Lube in, I began playing around with my cube and noticed that there was some Lube dripping and seeping out from all over my Rubik's Cube. Is this a sign that I put too much Cube Lube in? And of course, the Cube Lube will eventually dry up won't it? Thanks. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "baller1177" <baller17@...> wrote: > > I forgot to metion, the brand is Du Pont. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "baller1177" > <baller17@> wrote: > > > > I went to Lowe's today and bought a can of Teflon Silicone > Lubricant. > > I'm wondering if this is a good substitute for Tempo or Snap. I'm > also > > wondering what kinds of cubes are good speedcubing, other than Arxon, > > DIY, and hungarion studio cubes. > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > if the threshold were say 10% skill (seeing shortcuts, looking ahead, > special tricks, etc) and 90% mindless execution > 3x3x3 could be 20:80 > 4x4x4 30:70 > 5x5x5 50:50 > > but 2x2x2 5:95 > magic 0:100 > > So in short I discounted 2x2x2 becasue it adds very > little about a persons skill. I don't agree with this one. Putting the 2x2x2 almost on a par with the magic as a puzzle is absolutely ridiculous. The top guys have recorded averages of under 5 seconds and I think that takes tremendous skill. But great work nonetheless. Kind regards, Lars

good way to practice one handed solving --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Or, you know, doing that while cubing. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > We do boycott them! Or, at the least, we don't recognize what Guinness > > has to say. I gave up on Guinness when I talked to them about > > recognizing world records. This whole "two Rubik's Cubes out of fresh > > packaging" thing is completely bogus. > > > > Honestly, who was editing those pages? Think... world record 11.13 > > seconds, 42 cubes in an hour? Something doesn't add up here. Most > > cubers could solve 42 cubes in an hour while *censored vulgar statement > > here* in the *certain room in a home* in between solves! > > > > -Tyson > > > > On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:47 AM, Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu > > > <erwaman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > We all know that the current record listed in Guinness 2007 for > most > > > cubes solved in an hour is incorrect. Numerous people could easily > > > break the record of 42. Has anyone contacted Guinness about it or > > > tried going through the process here - http://tinyurl.com/y7kkpb - to > > > correct the record? > > > > > > I say we boycott them. Real cubers don't look for records in that > book > > > anyway. They suck. And the 42 cubes guy should be ashamed. Not > because > > > he's so slow but because he has the gall to pretend he's any good. > > > Guinness authoritative for records? Yeah right. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h a n > m a c k y". Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n" is Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". Cheers! Stefan

I agree with Lars on this one. Solving the 2x2 fast requires a lot of looking ahead. Great work by the way - and it makes me sad that I did not participate in a 5x5 event yet. Maybe, is it possible to integrate this kind of "combined rankings" in the WCA database (kind of like a bonus feature) ? Sven --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Lars Vandenbergh" <lars.vandenbergh@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > if the threshold were say 10% skill (seeing shortcuts, looking ahead, > > special tricks, etc) and 90% mindless execution > > 3x3x3 could be 20:80 > > 4x4x4 30:70 > > 5x5x5 50:50 > > > > but 2x2x2 5:95 > > magic 0:100 > > > > So in short I discounted 2x2x2 becasue it adds very > > little about a persons skill. > > I don't agree with this one. Putting the 2x2x2 almost on a par with the magic as a puzzle > is absolutely ridiculous. The top guys have recorded averages of under 5 seconds and I > think that takes tremendous skill. > > But great work nonetheless. > > Kind regards, > Lars >

OK, so you can be faster than Jean and faster than Macky. But only one person can be the best: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=w+h+o+i+s+t+h+e+b+e+s+t&search=Search Regards, Lars ;) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get > > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h > a n > > m a c k y". > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n" is > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get > > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h > a n > > m a c k y". > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n" is > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". Oops, right, but François is f a s t e r t h a n a n s s i.

And to top it all off, the fastest Canadian is indeed, not a Canadian... http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? eventId=&regionId=&pattern=f+a+s+t+e+s+t+c+a+n+a+d+i+a+n&search=Search Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles > > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get > > > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h > > a n > > > m a c k y". > > > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n" is > > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the > > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > Oops, right, but François is f a s t e r t h a n a n s s i. >

Though Chris may be the best, he is also the slowest person: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? eventId=&regionId=&pattern=s+l+o+w+e+s+t+p+e+r+s+o+n&search=Search Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Lars Vandenbergh" <lars.vandenbergh@...> wrote: > > OK, so you can be faster than Jean and faster than Macky. But only one > person can be the best: > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? eventId=&regionId=&pattern=w+h+o+i+s+t+h+e+b+e+s+t&search=Search > > Regards, > Lars ;) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles > > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get > > > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h > > a n > > > m a c k y". > > > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n" is > > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the > > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > >

David Wesley is a true "S w e d e" http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? eventId=&regionId=&pattern=S+w+e+d+e&search=Search // Kenneth

This is fun: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++a+++g+i+r+l http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+s+++m+o+r+e+++g+i+r+l+s --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: WCA database Datum: 03/01/07 04:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so you can be faster than Jean and faster than Macky. But only one > person can be the best: > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=w+h+o+i+s+t+h+e+b+e+s+t&search=Search > > Regards, > Lars ;) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles > > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n", you get > > > Fran�ois S�chet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e r t h > > a n > > > m a c k y". > > > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a n" is > > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the > > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > Cheers! > Stefan > He is also cubemaster :) http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? eventId=&regionId=&pattern=c+u+b+e+m+a+s+t+e+r&search=Search ~AO

Yeah, I kinda like that idea too. :-) But seriosly, I see that a lot of people find 3x3, 4x4 and 5x5 the main events, but I think that 2x2 is quite a big event too. But then again one-handed maybe is bigger than 2x2. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > That would be a great idea :D > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" > <timothy.reynolds2@> wrote: > > > > Mm, that would give me a nice, undeserved boost > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. > > However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dan > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world > > rankings" > > > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into > > account > > > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) > > for > > > 2006 has been compiled. > > > > > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and > > 5x5x5 > > > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best > > overall > > > cubers of that year. > > > > > > 2006 > > > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > > > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > > > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > > > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > > > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > > > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > > > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > > > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > > > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > > > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > > > > > The full spreadsheet is available at > > > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - > > so you > > > can see where you rank for 2006. > > > > > > Dan Harris :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

I just want to share this video I made yesterday. It's me solving the 3x3 one-handed in 21.84 (with a PLL-skip). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyMoY_V3gg

One-handed times these days are pretty ridiculous. Chris Dzoan did 14.16seconds wit ha PLL-skip right before the official round began at Berkeley. It was sadly not caught on video. They quickly set up a video camera after that. On 1/3/07, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > I just want to share this video I made yesterday. It's me solving the > 3x3 one-handed in 21.84 (with a PLL-skip). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyMoY_V3gg > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey great writeup Chris! I also have a workshop coming up in the end of January, i'll try to post my experience too. On 1/2/07, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I just wanted to post about a fun opportunity I had on New Year's > Eve. The organization that runs our New Year's Eve party downtown > read about me in that article I was in in my local paper and hired > me to do a cubing workshop downtown on New Year's Eve. They gave me > a fairly long room and a good amount of space in the city museum > just after you come in off the street. I brought my Stackmat timer > display and Stackmat so I could do demonstration solves as well as > let other cubers try the mat. > > I did manage to find 3 other cubers, one guy solved on the mat in > about 2:30, another guy in about 3:10. Another lady could also > solve it but didn't get through a whole solve on the timer. > > I mostly showed people speedsolves, a couple blindfolded solves, and > spent the largest part of my time describing the steps of a beginner > method. I showed people how to form the cross, how to solve the > corners, then from there just described the flow of the solve after > that. > > They gave me 5 cubes to put on the table in front of me for anyone > to use, and they were constantly in people's hands and people were > trying them out. > > I'd say at it's largest I would be solving for a crowd of about 40 > people, and sometimes as few as 5-10. I was basically in the > entrance to the museum so people were constantly passing through and > just watching for a few minutes, but at times a large number of > people would stop to watch. > > I attempted 5 blindfolded solves during the workshop and DNF'd 3 of > them, but got 2 of them successfully. The successful times were > something like 2:45 and 3:10. > > I was really trying to pitch that the cube is not as hard as people > say it is, and that all it takes is a little bit of persistance. I > told people that if they do get frustrated I recommend trying to > find some hints on the internet, which is what I did. I also said > that if anyone did want to figure it out on their own, it's > absolutely possible and all it takes is some persistance with it. > > The workshop was fun, I met a lot of former cubers who could solve > in in the 80's but couldn't remember their whole method now so I > would show those people the next step for whatever step they were > stuck at. People were usually passing through to the rest of the > museum, and I was right by the front door so I usually only had time > to show people 1 step. > > There were a LOT of kids who kept coming up and trying out the > cubes. A couple of the kids I was able to show how to get a cross > on one side, and every single one of them was totally hooked and > didn't want to leave when their parents said they had to. A good > number of them asked their parents if they could go and buy a cube > which I thought was cool ;-) > > I got the "I used to peel the stickers" comment about 5 times during > the time I was there heh heh, which wasn't so bad I was kind of > expecting more :-) I mostly just said "Well that works true, but it > sure takes a while ;-)" > > Anyway I had a blast, and the people who managed to come to the > workshop really seemed to enjoy trying out the cubes and learning > the first step or 2 of the beginner method I was showing. People > absolutely went crazy over the blindfolded solves, even on the times > when I DNF'd since there were still a good number of pieces solved. > The two solves I got successfully the crowd applauded. For BLD > cubing I was also pitching that it's not impossible or even super > difficult. I told people I don't have a photographic memory and > that I just memorize the instructions to myself of how to solve, so > in effect after I stop looking at the cube (I didn't have a > blindfold so I just looked down at the floor and held the cube high > over my head while solving) I have no idea what the cube looks like, > I only know what to do in order to solve it. > > Anyway I didn't get any pictures sadly, but I wanted to do a writeup > about it since it was so much fun. > > The best part. Not ONCE - not one single time did anyone say "Oh > hey the cube is back!" or "Oh that 80's toy, wow I haven't seen one > of those in years!". I think the cube is already "back" - I never > hear comments about how it's on the comeback or how it's an old 80's > fad, everyone is just used to it again now! > > I did meet a few people who hadn't physically messed around with a > cube since the 80's but nobody said anything about how they hadn't > even seen a cube since the 80's, or mentioned how the cube was > an "80's fad" that was coming back. That makes me really happy, I > think cubing is continuing to grow and hopefully will continue even > through 2007! > > Hope everyone had a Happy New Year - and as always happy cubing, > Chris > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yesterday morning I was in Marrkech Airport and I was cubing one-handed in the line for the check-in. Then the Italians in the line next to me applaused and they I asked me if I was the World Champion. I replied that I was "only European Champion". Then they asked me if they could record a solve and I agreed. The solve was just 25 seconds (which I can reach more and more nowadays). :-) But I have to say I didn't reach sub20 in a long time (thanks to a very low level of practice). So if you happen to see that video (one guy starts the video by talking in Italian - saying that I was the European Champion I guess), please send it to me. :p (Congratulations Gunnar :-)) Gilles 2007/1/3, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...>: > > One-handed times these days are pretty ridiculous. Chris Dzoan did > 14.16seconds wit ha PLL-skip right before the official round began at > Berkeley. > It was sadly not caught on video. They quickly set up a video camera after > that. > > On 1/3/07, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...<gunkr520%40student.liu.se>> > wrote: > > > > I just want to share this video I made yesterday. It's me solving the > > 3x3 one-handed in 21.84 (with a PLL-skip). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyMoY_V3gg > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Dan -- Did you do the compilation by hand, or were you using some sort of script against the database?? I'm curious how much work it would be to develop a list with a few more events. yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > But of course you're welcome to compile an alternative list! > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. > However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dan > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" > > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account > > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for > > 2006 has been compiled.

HElp me please I have 2 Quantificational Proofs, and I don't think that I have done them right. PLEASE HELP; If you're mad that this isn't about cubes, I'm sorry. You are the smartest people i know of. I don't know who better to ask than the cubists on this forum. 1. Ax(Fx.Gx) therefore Ax(Fx).Ax(Gx) 2. Ft.Gt 1.UI 3. Ft 2. Simp 4. Gt.Ft 2. Comm 5. Gt 4. Simp 6. Ax(Fx) 3. UG 7. Ax(Gx) 5. UG 8. Ax(Fx).Ax(Gx) 6.7. Conj 1. Ex(Fx.Gx) therefore Ex(Fx).Ex(Gx) 2. Ft.Gt EI 3. Ft 2 simp 4. Gt.Ft 2 comm 5. Gt 4 simp 6. Ex(Fx) 3 EG 7. Ex(Gx) 5 EG 8. Ex(Fx).Ex(Gx) 67 Conj 9. Ex(Fx).Ex(Gx) 2-9 EI It can't just be that simple. IF you can't help, can anyone suggest another rescource for help with proofs? THANK YOU ALL Happy new year JASON Kovacic

Hi, I did the compilation by hand. I copied 3 lists into excel from the world rankings. I sorted them alphabetically. Went down the list of 5x5x5 competitors, and deleted the ones on the 4x4x4 and 3x3x3 that didn't appear on the 5x5x5. Of course if they appeared on 5x5x5 but not in 4x4x4 or 3x3x3 they were deleted too. Then add up the rankings of the remaining competitors, and sort by combined total. But I'm sure that if you can get the permission, you should be able to run a script against the new WCA database to easily produce these lists. Best bet is to ask Ron. I would like to see my list as part of the official rankings, but I'm sure the events/categories will get modified if Ron ever decided to add it, such as including the 2x2x2 or something like that. I personally think that the 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 events only make up a nicer and more important list than any other combination. Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" <yeff@...> wrote: > > Hey Dan -- > > Did you do the compilation by hand, or were you using some sort of > script against the database?? I'm curious how much work it would be > to develop a list with a few more events. > > yeff > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > But of course you're welcome to compile an alternative list! > > > > Dan :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. > > However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dan > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@...m > > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world > rankings" > > > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into > account > > > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept > in...) for > > > 2006 has been compiled. >

Hey Sachin, Good luck on your workshop, and yes definitely let us know how it goes! Also, in case anyone is interested here is the video from when I was on the news talking about the workshop I held. http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/1118393/ My appearance is right at 40 seconds into the video. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Sachin <sachinss@...> wrote: > > Hey great writeup Chris! > > I also have a workshop coming up in the end of January, i'll try to post my > experience too. >

Hi Dan Harris, wow! incredible! I am really surprised to see my name in top-10. I really don't know I deserve it or not. But I am motivated.Thanks Dan. So many great cubers missing in the top is unbelieveable. Perhaps a different strategy to workout the combined ranking considering the avg and not the single best solve is a good alternative option. J.BERNETT ORLANDO d_funny007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Two things I find suprising: I am actually on the top 50? ChirsH is not in the top 10? (I think he deserves an extra boost for big cube bld...) Again, thank you for doing this for us Dan. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for > 2006 has been compiled. > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > cubers of that year. > > 2006 > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > The full spreadsheet is available at > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you > can see where you rank for 2006. > > Dan Harris :) > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cube lube is actually floorwax. Eventually it will dry up, but the effect will remain for about 2 weeks. I use 1 small drop on every side of every edge (2*12=24), you could also use 1 small drop on every side of every corner (3*8=24). You really shouldn't use more, maybe even less. I can use 1 syringe to apply to a 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 for about 6 times. ----- Original Message ----- From: andyaycw To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Lubricant I did a search on "lubricant' to find older posts on this topic with high hopes that I could find a more definitive answer as to what type of lubricant to use. I actually just came back from Lowe's after purchasing a can of Teflon Silicon Spray, but after reading some of the messages, I decided against using it. As a result, I decided to finally use my Cube Lube that I obtained when I purchased a DIY kit from Rubiks.com. I have two questions on this matter: 1) How much of the cube lube should I use? I put about 1/4 of the syringe in, and 2) Immediately after putting the Cube Lube in, I began playing around with my cube and noticed that there was some Lube dripping and seeping out from all over my Rubik's Cube. Is this a sign that I put too much Cube Lube in? And of course, the Cube Lube will eventually dry up won't it? Thanks. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "baller1177" <baller17@...> wrote: > > I forgot to metion, the brand is Du Pont. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "baller1177" > <baller17@> wrote: > > > > I went to Lowe's today and bought a can of Teflon Silicone > Lubricant. > > I'm wondering if this is a good substitute for Tempo or Snap. I'm > also > > wondering what kinds of cubes are good speedcubing, other than Arxon, > > DIY, and hungarion studio cubes. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I strongly disagree about the 2x2x2. For me the 2x2x2 is about 25% seeing shortcuts/inspection, 25% looking ahead and only 50% mindless execution. My best solve ever was at Dutch Open 2006 and I saw the entire solve during inspection. Execution was really slow, but I still got a 5.69s. Actually I decide which method I am going to use and which color to start on halfway during inspection. On the 3x3x3 I always use the same method and always start on the same color. But you are right, it is your list so don't include it if you don't want to. I will make two alternative lists soon including the 2x2x2. The first one will have the ranking system you came up with (absolute position on each list) and the second one will have an alternative ranking system (relative position, based on the number of competitors in each discipline) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 I didn't include the 2x2x2 because in my opinion (remember I am the one who compiled these lists :) ) - the 2x2x2 is more of an event like the magic or clock. I feel that the 2x2x2 cube is much more about mindless execution of a system compared to the skill it takes to solve, than the 3x3x3 cubes and upwards. I can't explain myself very well, but heres what i mean, in HYPOTHETICAL numbers. if the threshold were say 10% skill (seeing shortcuts, looking ahead, special tricks, etc) and 90% mindless execution 3x3x3 could be 20:80 4x4x4 30:70 5x5x5 50:50 but 2x2x2 5:95 magic 0:100 etc Megaminx could be included in the list, but then it would discount too many people as you have to have a solve in all the events to feature on the list. So in short I discounted 2x2x2 becasue it adds very little about a persons skill. But of course you're welcome to compile an alternative list! Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > Hi everyone, > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world rankings" > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into account > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept in...) for > 2006 has been compiled. > > Combined rankings is the sum of a persoon's 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 > final world ranking for that year, and aims to show the best overall > cubers of that year. > > 2006 > 1. Ron van Bruchem (Netherlands) > 2. Lars Vandenbergh (Belgium) > 3. Joel van Noort (Netherlands) > 4. Bernett Orlando (India) > 5. Frank Morris (USA) > 6. Michael Fung (Netherlands) > 7. Tomasz Zolnowski (Poland) > 8. Andrew Kang (USA) > 9. Matt Walter (Canada) > 10. Dan Harris (United Kingdom) > > The full spreadsheet is available at > http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/wcacombinedrankings2006.xls - so you > can see where you rank for 2006. > > Dan Harris :) > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

WOW!! That's what I call a fast OH-solve. I, myself, had a OH solve a few days ago that popped at the end of OLL at 15-16 seconds. :-) /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > One-handed times these days are pretty ridiculous. Chris Dzoan did > 14.16seconds wit ha PLL-skip right before the official round began at > Berkeley. > It was sadly not caught on video. They quickly set up a video camera after > that. > > On 1/3/07, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > > > I just want to share this video I made yesterday. It's me solving the > > 3x3 one-handed in 21.84 (with a PLL-skip). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyMoY_V3gg > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

By some reason it's only europeans that seem to have a lack for girls. :-) /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen <avgalen@...> wrote: > > This is fun: > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++a+++g+i+r+l > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+s+++m+o+r+e+++g+i+r+l+s > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: WCA database > Datum: 03/01/07 04:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so you can be faster than Jean and faster than Macky. But > only one > > person can be the best: > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=w+h+o+i&#43;s+t+h+e+b+e+s+t&search=Search > > > > Regards, > > Lars ;) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Stefan Pochmann" > > pochmann@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles > > > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a > n", you get > > &gt; > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f a s t e > r t h > > > a n > > > > m a c k y". > > > > > &gt; Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a > n" is > > > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is the > > > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 >

Hehe, maybe I need more girls, but nobody is http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=f+a+s+t+e+r+t+h+a+n+m+e&search=Search :D 2007/1/4, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > By some reason it's only europeans that seem to have a lack for girls. > :-) > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Avgalen <avgalen@...> > wrote: > > > > This is fun: > > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++a+++g+i+r+l > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+s+++m+o+r+e+++g+i+r+l+s > > > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: WCA database > > Datum: 03/01/07 04:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so you can be faster than Jean and faster than > Macky. But > > only one > > > person can be the best: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=w+h+o+i+s+t+h+e+b+e+s+t&search=Search > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lars ;) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Stefan > Pochmann" > > > pochmann@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles > > > > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a > > n", you get > > > > > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f > a s t e > > r t h > > > &gt; a n > > > > > m a c k y". > > > > > > > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a > > n" is > > > > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is > the > > > &gt; only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQMqI6uidc > > Caught on tape clearly grabbing the cube after his blindsolve before > his judge had a chance to check it. He should get a penalty! > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=Japan2006 > > Stefan Im sorry for my miss. Even if I receive a punishment about this matter, I don't care. Im careful from now on!

Hey! By the way there are only 5 people "n e e d i n g t o g e t l a i d" That's great news ;-) http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? eventId=&regionId=&pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++t+o++g+e+t++l+a+i+d&search= Search -Per >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > He is also cubemaster :) > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? > eventId=&regionId=&pattern=c+u+b+e+m+a+s+t+e+r&search=Search > > ~AO >

CHUMPULPACKDEE! http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=chumpulpackdee&search=Search On 1/4/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hey! > > By the way there are only 5 people "n e e d i n g t o g e t l a i > d" That's great news ;-) > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? > eventId=&regionId=&pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++t+o++g+e+t++l+a+i+d&search= > Search > > -Per > > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > a_ooms75 > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? > > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > He is also cubemaster :) > > > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? > > eventId=&regionId=&pattern=c+u+b+e+m+a+s+t+e+r&search=Search > > > > ~AO > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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By hand? Ouch. I actually am working on a nice page showing several Top 10 lists and I'll include Dan's ranking or something like it. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I did the compilation by hand. I copied 3 lists into excel from the > world rankings. I sorted them alphabetically. Went down the list of > 5x5x5 competitors, and deleted the ones on the 4x4x4 and 3x3x3 that > didn't appear on the 5x5x5. Of course if they appeared on 5x5x5 but > not in 4x4x4 or 3x3x3 they were deleted too. > > Then add up the rankings of the remaining competitors, and sort by > combined total. > > But I'm sure that if you can get the permission, you should be able to > run a script against the new WCA database to easily produce these > lists. Best bet is to ask Ron. > > I would like to see my list as part of the official rankings, but I'm > sure the events/categories will get modified if Ron ever decided to > add it, such as including the 2x2x2 or something like that. > > I personally think that the 3x3x3, 4x4x4, and 5x5x5 events only make > up a nicer and more important list than any other combination. > > Dan :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Soesbe" > <yeff@> wrote: > > > > Hey Dan -- > > > > Did you do the compilation by hand, or were you using some sort of > > script against the database?? I'm curious how much work it would be > > to develop a list with a few more events. > > > > yeff > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" > > <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > > But of course you're welcome to compile an alternative list! > > > > > > Dan :) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > > > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I understand that you cannot include every puzzle we compete in. > > > However, I don't understand why you don't list the 2x2x2? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Dan > > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:44 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > As some of you may remember, I compiled some "combined world > > rankings" > > > > lists for 2005 and 2004. The final version (not taking into > > account > > > > errors which hopefully aren't present but may have crept > > in...) for > > > > 2006 has been compiled. > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "suraimu_cube" <suraimu_cube@...> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgQMqI6uidc > > > > Caught on tape clearly grabbing the cube after his blindsolve before > > his judge had a chance to check it. He should get a penalty! > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/c.php?i=Japan2006 > > > > Stefan > > Im sorry for my miss. > > Even if I receive a punishment about this matter, I don't care. > > Im careful from now on! > Good :-) Oh well, you're of course by far not the only one. I think many people even still haven't read the rules at all. So every now and then I try to bring the issue up if there's an opportunity like that. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen <avgalen@...> wrote: > > This is fun: > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/ persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++a+++g+i+r+l > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/ persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+s+++m+o+r+e+++g+i+r+l+s Geez, who would've thought that person search would turn out to be the most popular feature... Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > I just want to share this video I made yesterday. It's me solving the > 3x3 one-handed in 21.84 (with a PLL-skip). > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyMoY_V3gg > You do realize that you violate the official rules, right? Cheers! Stefan

Maybe he is sponsored by Burberry? http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=c+u+b+e+c+h+a+v Dan :) > > Geez, who would've thought that person search would turn out to be > the most popular feature... > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Is there anyone here from Grand Junction, Colorado? Anyone close by? -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm in Southern Colorado, a few hours away. Depending on what you need, I can help you out. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:54 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Grand Junction, Colorado Is there anyone here from Grand Junction, Colorado? Anyone close by? -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi everyone ! I was wondering how many stickers can we remove from a 3x3x3 cube, so that the cube is still solvable in one way ? For the corners, we can remove the 3 stickers from one corner, and one from every other corner safely, and we can surely remove some other one, but which one (I'm allowing here to swap two corners, as we don't know yet if it's better to allow swapping 2 corners or 2 edges) For the edges, we can remove the 2 stickers from one edge, but for the others ?? We can remove one sticker of two edges, so that the remaining color of the first is opposite to the remaining one of the second. What else ?? And for the centers ? We can remove all of them except two adjacent one. But what if we can still solve the cube with another color scheme ?? Clément PS : Gift for the new year : a quote from "The bald soprano" (Ionesco) : "One can sit down on the chair when the chair does not have any"

WHAT? Did you even check the link before you posted it? That video was taken down nearly a month ago on youTube for violating copyrights. I already knew about that, as well as tools for archiving video streams. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > November 24, 2006 Video of Will Smith solving Rubik's Cube on Oprah show. Item starts around 8:23 in the video. (link by Casen Davis) (this was posted on speedcubing.com) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aau4dSzXxqw > > If you would like to archive things that get posted on youtube you should check out a tool called vdownloader (http://baixaki.ig.com.br/download/VDownloader.htm) >

Well, it's not anything for me. There's a man there, his name is Cecil Smith. He donated a bunch of Rubik's Cubes to the Smithsonian. Prior to that, he had a collection of cubes... about 6000 of them. Probably a very unique peak into the pasttime of our hobby... if you're interested. -Tyson On 1/4/07, PJK Sports Cards <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > I'm in Southern Colorado, a few hours away. Depending on what you need, > I can help you out. > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:54 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Grand Junction, Colorado > > Is there anyone here from Grand Junction, Colorado? > > Anyone close by? > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> You do realize that you violate the official rules, right? > > Cheers! > Stefan I see it. There is definately a problem with that solve.

No, nothing seems wrong with the solve =) Seriously. No sarcasm here. Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > You do realize that you violate the official rules, right? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > I see it. There is definately a problem with that solve. >

LOL i didn't watch the video until i saw this message Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar > Krig" <gunkr520@> wrote: > > > > I just want to share this video I made yesterday. It's me solving > the > > 3x3 one-handed in 21.84 (with a PLL-skip). > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyMoY_V3gg > > > > You do realize that you violate the official rules, right? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I have already tackled this question about 4.5 years ago. The answer is known to be 21 stickers maximal that can be removed while maintaining uniqueness. 4 from the centers, 10 from the corners, 6 from the edges, and then another one somewhere due to the dependence between CP and EP. I had to prove this rigoriously for a math club talk I gave back then. I could still be wrong. I'm not too confident about this anymore. I spent a lot of time on this question and that was what I came up with. Back then I was quite confident of this number. I'm betting someone is going to try really hard to disprove it though. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "keyliepebble" <keylie@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone ! > > I was wondering how many stickers can we remove from a 3x3x3 cube, so > that the cube is still solvable in one way ? > > For the corners, we can remove the 3 stickers from one corner, and one > from every other corner safely, and we can surely remove some other > one, but which one (I'm allowing here to swap two corners, as we don't > know yet if it's better to allow swapping 2 corners or 2 edges) > > For the edges, we can remove the 2 stickers from one edge, but for the > others ?? > We can remove one sticker of two edges, so that the remaining color of > the first is opposite to the remaining one of the second. > What else ?? > > And for the centers ? > We can remove all of them except two adjacent one. But what if we can > still solve the cube with another color scheme ?? > > Clément > > PS : Gift for the new year : a quote from "The bald soprano" (Ionesco) : > "One can sit down on the chair when the chair does not have any" >

Hey all, The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente Cubers Club! Check it out at http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php Rory San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director

Tyson, Sounds interesting. I will look into him. Thanks for sharing, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Grand Junction, Colorado Well, it's not anything for me. There's a man there, his name is Cecil Smith. He donated a bunch of Rubik's Cubes to the Smithsonian. Prior to that, he had a collection of cubes... about 6000 of them. Probably a very unique peak into the pasttime of our hobby... if you're interested. -Tyson On 1/4/07, PJK Sports Cards <pjksportscards@...<mailto:pjksportscards@...>> wrote: > > I'm in Southern Colorado, a few hours away. Depending on what you need, > I can help you out. > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...<mailto:tyson.mao@...> <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 3:54 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Grand Junction, Colorado > > Is there anyone here from Grand Junction, Colorado? > > Anyone close by? > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For the corners im almost very sure that you can remove 12 stickers. Example Yellow=U, Red=F: U layer remove UFL:Yellow,Red,Blue UBL:Orange,Blue UBR:Orange UFR:Green D layer remove DFL:Red,Blue DBL:Orange DBR:Green DFR:Red For the edges im thinking you can remove 7 But i have to look for it a little bit harder :) But what i think now is this: White,Blue edge remove White and BLue White,Green Remove Green Yellow,Blue remove Blue Yellow,Red remove Yellow Orange,Blue remove Blue Orange,Green remove Orange for center i come up with you can remove 4. total count 23 strickers removed. Greets ~AO --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "keyliepebble" <keylie@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone ! > > I was wondering how many stickers can we remove from a 3x3x3 cube, so > that the cube is still solvable in one way ? > > For the corners, we can remove the 3 stickers from one corner, and one > from every other corner safely, and we can surely remove some other > one, but which one (I'm allowing here to swap two corners, as we don't > know yet if it's better to allow swapping 2 corners or 2 edges) > > For the edges, we can remove the 2 stickers from one edge, but for the > others ?? > We can remove one sticker of two edges, so that the remaining color of > the first is opposite to the remaining one of the second. > What else ?? > > And for the centers ? > We can remove all of them except two adjacent one. But what if we can > still solve the cube with another color scheme ?? > > Clément > > PS : Gift for the new year : a quote from "The bald soprano" (Ionesco) : > "One can sit down on the chair when the chair does not have any" >

Summary: Why is the corner always shown in the proper position already? Hi all. I'm relatively new to speedcubing, about two weeks, although I've been solving it with slower methods (see below) for years off-and-on. I'm barely sub-2mins at this point and have decided to tackle things one step at a time, meaning right now I'm only timing my F2L step. (Currently about 0:57 average, and basically Friedrich method.) One thing about all these F2L algorithm sites has got me really perplexed and I've also thrown in a couple misc questions afterwards as well. -- Question 1 -- On all these algorithms they always show the corner properly positioned or the edge properly positioned as the starting point, except of course when both are in the top layer. But my question is: What if this is not the case? What if the corner is in fact in the bottom layer but not in its proper slot? What I assumed one was to do, and what I currently do, is execute the "algorithm" until the point where both pieces are in the top layer either joined or in the "potential set" position. Then twist the U face until things are properly oriented and do the actual insert. This is all fairly intuitive. I guess that's what makes me suspicious of my own methods though -- although I _prefer_ to, should I really have to use even an inkling of intuition while reading a site containing a gazillion F2L algorithms? What mystifies me is why none of these sites has gone right out and say that's what you're supposed to do, explicitly. Moreoever there are those "black box" algorithms that could ONLY work if things were oriented exactly as described. One example that I can think of off the top of my head, but which is not all that "black", is (R U R' U')x3. Assuming the two pieces in question are not in the proper slot what I'm forced to do is the first TWO repeats, position U face, then do the insert. That one's easy though... the black box algorithms which really do disturb the cross across multiple moves I wouldn't want to even begin to try such an approach with. All this leads me to believe I'm making more work for myself than I should be. If this was how folks were "supposed" to do it then the algorithms wouldn't be listed as a continuous run-on stream of moves as they are. Even while typing this I wondered if maybe it was a mathematical constraint that at least one of these cases would always exist as-illustrated on a scrabled cube. I just scrambled one, and the answer of course is nah. All 4 corners ended up in the bottom layer, I only have one corner in the proper slot and its edge piece is buried in another slot. Sure, I could "punt" and just kick one corner up to the top layer but why not join it at the same time. Once again I've led myself back into thinking that these are not algorithms at all but mere guidelines and you cannot simply use muscle memory. That of course I think is wrong based on what I've read here but just don't see how. Heck, if they've gotta spell out simple mirrors of these algorithms they certainly don't want me to actually *gasp* _think_, do they? ;) Any help at all with this would be greatly appreciated. I'm making good progress either way; it's just really bothering me wondering what I'm "supposed" to be doing. -- Question 2 -- Is there any substance _equally_ as good as Rubik's Cube Lube? Cost isn't necessarily a concern. Yeah, I know, folks say look for 100% silicone lubricant. But those same folks say that one must let it dry for 15-20 mins before it stops being sticky. So obviously it's not exactly the same stuff. I haven't personally used Prestone; after 15 minutes of drying time is it really AS GOOD as the Rubik's stuff is fresh? I have an old cube that I'm lubing every other day... if 15-minute dry Prestone is similar to what 2-day-old Rubik's Lube feels like then I think I'll have to keep ordering the real stuff. -- Question 3 -- On a lighter note, how come you never see anything at _all_ on the Philip Marshall method anymore? I learned it many years ago, put down the cube for a few years, and still remembered it when I picked it back up just recently. (I doubt many casual-type solvers are able to remember their solution of choice after so many years!) Only 2 series to remember and and average solve of 65 moves; quite elegant. His site's apparently gone and I had to find a cached copy on archive.org to do further reading ( http://web.archive.org/web/20060412171633/www.olympus.net/personal/prmhem/ if you're never seen it ), so I'm wondering if he has passed away. (One of his pages said he was 75 years old, I believe.) Still surprising that nobody has done a writeup of it and uploaded it on a working server. Anyway no matter how many years I practiced I could never get below about 3:00. Then just recently I do some experimenting with Friedrich and Petrus and almost immediately was under 2:00. Good stuff! Although I'm quite sure I won't be able to remember all the algorithms if by chance I don't happen to pick up a cube for several years. Thanks, -jasonC

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > Tyson, > Sounds interesting. I will look into him. Are you a surgeon? Cheers! Stefan

Hey Jason The F2L should be more intuitive than you think. The algorithms just provide more optimal ways of pairing the pieces--"guidelines"--but you should really understand how the algorithms work. Yes, you need to think a bit! -_- Once you understand how the algorithms work, you'll find somewhat intuitive ways that you eventually put into muscle memory for situations where things are not set up as pictured. There is almost always some sort of setup involved in F2L. For your two other questions... sorry, no comment ^^; Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jcollison251" <jcollison251@...> wrote: > > Summary: Why is the corner always shown in the proper position already? > > Hi all. I'm relatively new to speedcubing, about two weeks, although > I've been solving it with slower methods (see below) for years > off-and-on. I'm barely sub-2mins at this point and have decided to > tackle things one step at a time, meaning right now I'm only timing my > F2L step. (Currently about 0:57 average, and basically Friedrich > method.) One thing about all these F2L algorithm sites has got me > really perplexed and I've also thrown in a couple misc questions > afterwards as well. > > -- Question 1 -- > > On all these algorithms they always show the corner properly > positioned or the edge properly positioned as the starting point, > except of course when both are in the top layer. But my question is: > What if this is not the case? What if the corner is in fact in the > bottom layer but not in its proper slot? What I assumed one was to > do, and what I currently do, is execute the "algorithm" until the > point where both pieces are in the top layer either joined or in the > "potential set" position. Then twist the U face until things are > properly oriented and do the actual insert. This is all fairly > intuitive. I guess that's what makes me suspicious of my own methods > though -- although I _prefer_ to, should I really have to use even an > inkling of intuition while reading a site containing a gazillion F2L > algorithms? > > What mystifies me is why none of these sites has gone right out and > say that's what you're supposed to do, explicitly. Moreoever there > are those "black box" algorithms that could ONLY work if things were > oriented exactly as described. One example that I can think of off > the top of my head, but which is not all that "black", is (R U R' > U')x3. Assuming the two pieces in question are not in the proper slot > what I'm forced to do is the first TWO repeats, position U face, then > do the insert. That one's easy though... the black box algorithms > which really do disturb the cross across multiple moves I wouldn't > want to even begin to try such an approach with. > > All this leads me to believe I'm making more work for myself than I > should be. If this was how folks were "supposed" to do it then the > algorithms wouldn't be listed as a continuous run-on stream of moves > as they are. Even while typing this I wondered if maybe it was a > mathematical constraint that at least one of these cases would always > exist as-illustrated on a scrabled cube. I just scrambled one, and > the answer of course is nah. All 4 corners ended up in the bottom > layer, I only have one corner in the proper slot and its edge piece is > buried in another slot. Sure, I could "punt" and just kick one corner > up to the top layer but why not join it at the same time. Once again > I've led myself back into thinking that these are not algorithms at > all but mere guidelines and you cannot simply use muscle memory. That > of course I think is wrong based on what I've read here but just don't > see how. Heck, if they've gotta spell out simple mirrors of these > algorithms they certainly don't want me to actually *gasp* _think_, do > they? ;) > > Any help at all with this would be greatly appreciated. I'm making > good progress either way; it's just really bothering me wondering what > I'm "supposed" to be doing. > > > -- Question 2 -- > > Is there any substance _equally_ as good as Rubik's Cube Lube? Cost > isn't necessarily a concern. Yeah, I know, folks say look for 100% > silicone lubricant. But those same folks say that one must let it dry > for 15-20 mins before it stops being sticky. So obviously it's not > exactly the same stuff. I haven't personally used Prestone; after 15 > minutes of drying time is it really AS GOOD as the Rubik's stuff is > fresh? I have an old cube that I'm lubing every other day... if > 15-minute dry Prestone is similar to what 2-day-old Rubik's Lube feels > like then I think I'll have to keep ordering the real stuff. > > > -- Question 3 -- > > On a lighter note, how come you never see anything at _all_ on the > Philip Marshall method anymore? I learned it many years ago, put > down the cube for a few years, and still remembered it when I picked > it back up just recently. (I doubt many casual-type solvers are able > to remember their solution of choice after so many years!) Only 2 > series to remember and and average solve of 65 moves; quite elegant. > His site's apparently gone and I had to find a cached copy on > archive.org to do further reading ( > http://web.archive.org/web/20060412171633/www.olympus.net/personal/prmhem/ > if you're never seen it ), so I'm wondering if he has passed away. > (One of his pages said he was 75 years old, I believe.) Still > surprising that nobody has done a writeup of it and uploaded it on a > working server. Anyway no matter how many years I practiced I could > never get below about 3:00. Then just recently I do some > experimenting with Friedrich and Petrus and almost immediately was > under 2:00. Good stuff! Although I'm quite sure I won't be able to > remember all the algorithms if by chance I don't happen to pick up a > cube for several years. > > > Thanks, > -jasonC >

> -- Question 1 -- > > On all these algorithms they always show the corner properly > positioned or the edge properly positioned as the starting point, > except of course when both are in the top layer. But my question is: > What if this is not the case? The algorithms you will see are the "standard" positions for F2L, when the corners is in the top layer, or in the correct position but twisted, and the edge is in one of 10 possible states (4positions x 2 orientations on the top layer, and 1 position x 2 orientations in the correct slot) What if the corner is in fact in the > bottom layer but not in its proper slot? There are several ways to go. If the corner is in the bottom layer, and the edge is in the top layer, you could simply do R U R' (with the corner initially held in the DFR position), to bring it into the top layer, and then use a standard algorithm. You could learn the various patterns of corner and edge position/orientation to see what move you could choose which brings up the corner and pairs it up with the edge, giving you a simple 3 move insert into the correct slot (R U R' for a seperated pair, or R U' R' for a connected pair) For example, do L' U' L U R U' R2 U2 R on a solved cube The FL corner is in the FR slot. We can't use a standard algorithm, but no matter. When the cross colour is on the right hand side, and the other colour matches the colour of the edge on the U-face, we bring the edge round to the front (U2), and they pair up with R!. NOw you have a connected pair, which you can insert in 3 moves (L' U L). Now R' restores the cross. There are not many new patterns like this to learn, and most of them you can see on the fly. You could also just try to ignore it, and find another pair that is in a standard position. In the above position, you could have chosen to do R' U2 R2 U R', solving the FR pair, and now the FL pair is in a standard position. The same is true for the edges, if they are stuck in the midde layer you could bring it out, learn new patterns, or ignore it. If both pieces are stuck in the middle layer, I would usually ignore it, but if forced, I would simply bring the corner piece out and then solve that position. > > What mystifies me is why none of these sites has gone right out and > say that's what you're supposed to do, explicitly. That's because there are so many possible scenarios it is hard to present them all in one comprehensive format. F2L requires a lot of experience and practice to do well, so don't expect that just if you know the standard algorithms that you will be sub 10 seconds F2L. It's a lot about seeing short-cuts, using empty slots, choosing the pair order smartly, and being able to fuse everything together with no pauses, at a fast turn rate. This does not happen overnight. The best way to become proficient at F2L is do a lot of practice by yourself, understand how the algorithms work (most are simply pair up the pieces, and insert them), and also practice with a master of the cube to pick up lots of tips from them. Be patient! One example that I can think of off > the top of my head, but which is not all that "black", is (R U R' > U')x3. Assuming the two pieces in question are not in the proper slot > what I'm forced to do is the first TWO repeats, position U face, then > do the insert. Not bad. Do L U' L' F' L F L' U on a solved cube, is this the case you mean? The procedure is simple, solving into the BL slot (or mirrored solved into the BR). Move the corner away from the area where the slot is (U'), do this little finger trick (L F' L' F) click click, and suddenly the pieces are set up for a 3 move insert, (L U L'). This works when the pieces are situated over a slot that is adjacent to the slot you want to solve to. For the opposite slot, you can discover a nice algorithm, there is a nice one involving a double top-layer turn (u) :) That one's easy though... the black box algorithms > which really do disturb the cross across multiple moves I wouldn't > want to even begin to try such an approach with. > > All this leads me to believe I'm making more work for myself than I > should be. A few years ago I thought it would be a good idea to come up with standard algorithms for each of the 4 slots, thats 164 in all! Luckily I realised before I had tried to memorise all those that you don't need to do that, knowledge of the standard algorithms + tricks + experience is all you need. And once you've got the hang of that, it's not hard work at all. But it may be hard work getting there, but you would expect that if your aim is to solve in under 20s! Once again > I've led myself back into thinking that these are not algorithms at > all but mere guidelines and you cannot simply use muscle memory. You surely can use muscle memory :) It's very useful for doing mirrors of algorithms, if you only know the letters and have to translate those into the mirrored version of an algorithm, it is very slow. BUt if you use muscle memory, you intuititively have a very good idea of what movements your hands should do to mirror the algorithms. Hone that skill, and mirroring algorithms becomes a doddle. Good Luck! DanH > Thanks, > -jasonC >

Per, do you know who the first punk was? http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=f+i+r+s+t+p+u+n+k&search=Search Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hey! > > By the way there are only 5 people "n e e d i n g t o g e t l a i > d" That's great news ;-) > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? > eventId=&regionId=&pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++t+o++g+e+t++l+a+i+d&search= > Search > > -Per > > >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > Here's a riddle. What's special about this guy? > > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/p.php?i=Mateusz+Burnicki > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > He is also cubemaster :) > > > > http://worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php? > > eventId=&regionId=&pattern=c+u+b+e+m+a+s+t+e+r&search=Search > > > > ~AO > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Tyson, > > Sounds interesting. I will look into him. > > Are you a surgeon? > > Cheers! > Stefan > Maybe he has x-ray vision. That would explain his incredible BLD times ;) Dan :)

The problem with the "1 small drop" is the darn syrenges seem to stick fairly often and suddenly you have a steady stream dripping out your cube. Or perhaps I've just been unlucky with them. What kind of floorwax is it? And if I may ask... are you buying syrenges of the stuff from Rubik's (or otherwise)? No doubt a whole _large_ bottle of it from the floorwax manufacturer would cost the same, if you definitely knew it was chemically exactly the same. In my last Cube Lube order the instructions sheet did give some clues in the accidental ingestion precautions: "800-228-5635 (Shine-up-SC Johnson & Sons, Inc)". I take it that "Shine-Up" is the product in question. I'm going to be ordering that pronto. If it turns out that it does not act exactly the same, meaning the proportions or something else has been adjusted, one only needs to call the 800 number posing as a physician to squeeze the info outta them. (Tell them that a 2 year old girl has swallowed some and they'll tell you whatever you want to know, trust me.) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Cube lube is actually floorwax. Eventually it will dry up, but the effect will remain for about 2 weeks. I use 1 small drop on every side of every edge (2*12=24), you could also use 1 small drop on every side of every corner (3*8=24). You really shouldn't use more, maybe even less. I can use 1 syringe to apply to a 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 for about 6 times.

Dan Harris! Thanks for the response. In fact it was your site that I was primarily using for the algorithms. I also used Jason Thong's site for the detailed descriptions but always have yours open as well for the setup sequence -- really appreciate that part of the site. > For example, do L' U' L U R U' R2 U2 R on a solved cube > The FL corner is in the FR slot. We can't use a standard algorithm, > but no matter. When the cross colour is on the right hand side, and > the other colour matches the colour of the edge on the U-face, we > bring the edge round to the front (U2), and they pair up with R!. Ah! Leaving the cross broken up here for an extra instant definitely has an advantage. Great tip! What I currently do in this situation is the join, restore cross, then insert. Certainly a couple extra moves but at my level (and tps) it makes no difference. This right there answers my original question -- yes you join things when you can. You just took it an optimized step further for me. > Do L U' L' F' L F L' U on a solved cube, is this the case > you mean? The procedure is simple, solving into the BL slot > (or mirrored solved into the BR). Move the corner away from the > area where the slot is (U'), do this little finger trick (L F' L' F) > click click, and suddenly the pieces are set up for a 3 move insert, > (L U L'). This works when the pieces are situated over a slot that > is adjacent to the slot you want to solve to. That's the case I meant, alright. And yet another optimized move I'll add to my arsenal in time. Thanks again for all your help. You know, it's a funny thing -- listening to your descriptions of these moves it's apparent that you have [once did, or still do] have mnemonics or at least English descriptions for some of these situations. (e.g. "move the corner away from the area where the slot is", etc.) I did spend several days studying your site and scribbling notes to come up with similar mental explanations before I even started drilling on them. It would be great to see such descriptions on the site as well! Although yes one learns much more from forming them oneself. -jasonC

"1 small drop" is definately possible, just take your time. For all other Rubik's lube questions: http://z12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php?showtopic=353 --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: Lubricant Datum: 05/01/07 04:12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with the "1 small drop" is the darn syrenges seem to stick > fairly often and suddenly you have a steady stream dripping out your > cube. Or perhaps I've just been unlucky with them. > > What kind of floorwax is it? And if I may ask... are you buying > syrenges of the stuff from Rubik's (or otherwise)? No doubt a whole > _large_ bottle of it from the floorwax manufacturer would cost the > same, if you definitely knew it was chemically exactly the same. > > In my last Cube Lube order the instructions sheet did give some clues > in the accidental ingestion precautions: > "800-228-5635 (Shine-up-SC Johnson & Sons, Inc)". I take it that > "Shine-Up" is the product in question. I'm going to be ordering that > pronto. If it turns out that it does not act exactly the same, > meaning the proportions or something else has been adjusted, one only > needs to call the 800 number posing as a physician to squeeze the info > outta them. (Tell them that a 2 year old girl has swallowed some and > they'll tell you whatever you want to know, trust me.) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > Cube lube is actually floorwax. Eventually it will dry up, but the > effect will remain for about 2 weeks. I use 1 small drop on every side > of every edge (2*12=24), you could also use 1 small drop on every side > of every corner (3*8=24). You really shouldn't use more, maybe even > less. I can use 1 syringe to apply to a 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 > for about 6 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

Thanks for the link. But HOLY MOLY, $124 for just 1 gallon of floor wax?? Must be the Pentagon "special price". heheheh Seriously, that's totally unreasonable. I shall find a supplier and post details when I do. > For all other Rubik's lube questions: > http://z12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php?showtopic=353

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > You do realize that you violate the official rules, right? > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > I see it. There is definately a problem with that solve. > Ok, are you referring to: 1) that I do inspection with two hands, or 2) that I maybe stop the cube not only with fingers? For #1 I don't think it's a big deal because I personally don't benefit anything from doing it. I just forget about that rule sometimes. About #2: I tryto stop with fingers always, but this can't be a very big deal neither for an unofficial solve. I even hard a few days ago that this rule is taken away. /Gunnar

I knew Stefan would take that literally And my BLD times suck, BTW, haha. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan<mailto:dan_j_harris@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:44 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Grand Junction, Colorado --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Tyson, > > Sounds interesting. I will look into him. > > Are you a surgeon? > > Cheers! > Stefan > Maybe he has x-ray vision. That would explain his incredible BLD times ;) Dan :) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't make a habit of checking links that used to work. I do have this still on my computer and am now wondering if I could supply you with this file, or maybe just the part of it that has the cubing in it? Please advise. ----- Original Message ----- From: d_funny007 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:50 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: On the local news WHAT? Did you even check the link before you posted it? That video was taken down nearly a month ago on youTube for violating copyrights. I already knew about that, as well as tools for archiving video streams. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > November 24, 2006 Video of Will Smith solving Rubik's Cube on Oprah show. Item starts around 8:23 in the video. (link by Casen Davis) (this was posted on speedcubing.com) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aau4dSzXxqw > > If you would like to archive things that get posted on youtube you should check out a tool called vdownloader (http://baixaki.ig.com.br/download/VDownloader.htm) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You definately need more girls (to compete at "your" Belgian Open http://gillesvdp.orgfree.com/belgianopen2007/Competitors.htm). I will (try to) bring my niece. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: WCA database Hehe, maybe I need more girls, but nobody is http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&regionId=&pattern=f+a+s+t+e+r+t+h+a+n+m+e&search=Search :D 2007/1/4, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@student.liu.se>: > > By some reason it's only europeans that seem to have a lack for girls. > :-) > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Avgalen <avgalen@...> > wrote: > > > > This is fun: > > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+i+n+g+++a+++g+i+r+l > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=n+e+e+d+s+++m+o+r+e+++g+i+r+l+s > > > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: WCA database > > Datum: 03/01/07 04:09 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, so you can be faster than Jean and faster than > Macky. But > > only one > > > person can be the best: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?eventId=&amp;regionId=&pattern=w+h+o+i+s+t+h+e&#43;b+e+s+t&search=Search > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lars ;) > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Stefan > Pochmann" > > > pochmann@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles > > > > Roux" <grrroux@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you look for someone "f a s t e r t h a n j e a > > n", you get > > > > > François Séchet, for example. But there's nobody "f > a s t e > > r t h > > > &gt; a n > > > > > m a c k y". > > > > > > > > Hmm, actually the only person "f a s t e r t h a n j e a > > n" is > > > > Thijs Feenstra (Francois doesn't have a 'j'). But Francois is > the > > > > only one "f a s t e r t h a n s h o t a r o". > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Apperantly, nobody can do it blind (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=c+a+n+d+o+i+t+b+l+i+n+d) although Michiel van der Blonk http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=c+a+n+d+o+b+l+i+n+d And someone can do it under water (http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/persons.php?pattern=c+a+n+d+o+i+t+u+n+d+e+r+w+a+t+e+r) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ah great! Thank you. I want the whole thing. http://www.yousendit.com/ was shown to me by Hunt, and I think it's a great way of sending files if you have no better means. If it's small you can just e-mail it to me. (doug cube [one word] at gmail, will do) I can host it somewhere if other's want it. I do have some web space still. I'm betting it's in the dreaded FLV format. I have a player for it, but can convert it for you guys too. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I don't make a habit of checking links that used to work. I do have this still on my computer and am now wondering if I could supply you with this file, or maybe just the part of it that has the cubing in it? > > Please advise.

People always say that you should be able to do the cross in 7 moves 99% of the time. Does a double turn count as 1 or 2 moves when people say this? Because if it counts as 2 moves I can almost never do the cross in 7 moves and any advice would be greatly appricated.

This is based on the standard metric for speedcubing - Half Turn, which means two quarter turns = one half turn = one move. One quarter turn = one move also. Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aurataro" <aurataro@...> wrote: > > People always say that you should be able to do the cross in 7 moves > 99% of the time. Does a double turn count as 1 or 2 moves when people > say this? Because if it counts as 2 moves I can almost never do the > cross in 7 moves and any advice would be greatly appricated. >

Double moves such as R2, etc count as 1 move. ----- Original Message ----- From: aurataro<mailto:aurataro@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:08 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cross People always say that you should be able to do the cross in 7 moves 99% of the time. Does a double turn count as 1 or 2 moves when people say this? Because if it counts as 2 moves I can almost never do the cross in 7 moves and any advice would be greatly appricated. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In the article they mentioned "F R U R' U' F'. That's Front clockwise, Right clockwise, Under clockwise, Right counterclockwise, Under counterclockwise, Front counterclockwise." I just wish they could get the notation correct. "Up" instead of "under," though I can perhaps see where they could have mistaken it. Some of my friends get "Back" and "Bottom" mixed up. This article just goes to show the growing popularity of the cube. It's great. I'm thinking about solving a few cube for my school's talent show. We'll see how it turns out. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "enguarde1234" <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > Hey all, > > The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente Cubers > Club! Check it out at > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php > > Rory > San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director >

Hi Everyone, So we will be doing the preliminary round to 3x3x3 speed solve and one-handed speed solve. In order to qualify for the second round in speed solve, you need to record an average of five under 28 seconds. For one-handed speed solve, you need an average of 50 seconds. Good luck! -Tyson On 12/25/06, azndlo15 <azndlo15@...> wrote: > > Northern California Pre-Qualifying Round > Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 > Time: 1 PM to 5 PM > Location: Winnett Center, Caltech > > Purpose: The purpose of the pre-qualifying event is so that > competitors can attempt to qualify for the semi-final and final rounds > and avoid the rush of the first-round of the competition during the > day of the competition. The other purpose is also to help facilitate > the competition. If you can make it to the pre-qualifying round, we > ask that you do in order to improve the flow of the competition for > the Caltech Rubik's Cube Club. > > ~Daniel Lo > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Double moves such as R2, etc count as 1 move. It is exactly that type of terminology that confuses people. It's "half turn" or "face turn". I thought that a long time ago we decided to do away with the ambiguous word "move" and hence "double moves" is rather meaningless. > This is based on the standard metric for speedcubing - Half Turn, > which means two quarter turns = one half turn = one move. > > One quarter turn = one move also. I wouldn't call it the "standard metric". The "popular metric" sure. In the distant past I recall a lot of debate over what metric people like to use and that never ended well. So to offer a more through answer... In cubing there is what is called Quarter-Turn Metric (QTM), Half-Turn Metric/Face-Trun Metric (HTM/FTM), Slice-Turn Metric (STM), and the rarely heard of Antislice-Turn Metric (ATM/ASTM). The meaning should be pretty obvious since you (aurataro) seem to have thought about it for a while. The precise mathematical definition of the word "metric" is rather delicate though. A metric is a function (in the math sence), that takes any two points (or elements) in a space (typically a topological space or in this case group) and maps it to a non-negative real value, and it must satisfy 3 axioms. f(x,x) = 0 for all x in the space. f(x,y) = f (y,x) for all pairs x,y in the space (be symmetric). And f(x,y) + f (y,z) >= f(x,z) (Triangle-Inequality). -Doug

Can you please explain to me how that would confuse someone? I must have missed that discussion. R2 means 180 degress or a "half turn", R means 90 degrees or a "quarter turn". How can that be confusing? I can see how two quarter turns make 1 half turn, but R2 is 1 move, R is a different move. Describing a metric to someone that doesn't know the difference between a R2 and R will only confuse that person more.... ----- Original Message ----- From: d_funny007<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cross > Double moves such as R2, etc count as 1 move. It is exactly that type of terminology that confuses people. It's "half turn" or "face turn". I thought that a long time ago we decided to do away with the ambiguous word "move" and hence "double moves" is rather meaningless. > This is based on the standard metric for speedcubing - Half Turn, > which means two quarter turns = one half turn = one move. > > One quarter turn = one move also. I wouldn't call it the "standard metric". The "popular metric" sure. In the distant past I recall a lot of debate over what metric people like to use and that never ended well. So to offer a more through answer... In cubing there is what is called Quarter-Turn Metric (QTM), Half-Turn Metric/Face-Trun Metric (HTM/FTM), Slice-Turn Metric (STM), and the rarely heard of Antislice-Turn Metric (ATM/ASTM). The meaning should be pretty obvious since you (aurataro) seem to have thought about it for a while. The precise mathematical definition of the word "metric" is rather delicate though. A metric is a function (in the math sence), that takes any two points (or elements) in a space (typically a topological space or in this case group) and maps it to a non-negative real value, and it must satisfy 3 axioms. f(x,x) = 0 for all x in the space. f(x,y) = f (y,x) for all pairs x,y in the space (be symmetric). And f(x,y) + f (y,z) >= f(x,z) (Triangle-Inequality). -Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey all, Just figured I'd let you know I just finished moving my new site to my new host and changed the appearance/added more content. You can check it out at: http://www.pjkcubed.com Any questions, comments, or suggestions are welcome. Thanks for looking, Pat

Well spelling it out like that is great, but what I was just getting at was that "double move" does not have a clear meaning or you seemed to be trying to use *their words*, which might not help. All I was saying was that "double move" is not "well-defined"... at least not to me. I guess I was being nit-picky as usual (no more than certain ppl here though). But I would appreciate it if people where to correct me on stuff. Well except when things are being taken to a silly literal level like I've been seeing lately. I take cube-terminology very seriously though. On the other note, I like to add a bit of math just to enlighten people every now and then. It wasn't even targeted to the orginal poster, just thought someone here might enjoy reading it. Plus, I like to show that I'm a mathy guy, and perhaps seek out other like-minded individuals that didn't know that about me. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > Can you please explain to me how that would confuse someone? I must have missed that discussion. R2 means 180 degress or a "half turn", R means 90 degrees or a "quarter turn". How can that be confusing? I can see how two quarter turns make 1 half turn, but R2 is 1 move, R is a different move. Describing a metric to someone that doesn't know the difference between a R2 and R will only confuse that person more....

I've been getting really into square-1 for the past couple days. And I'm starting to see some dramatic differences in the consistancy of my times. Sometiems this is simply due to the lack of parity. But I was curious what counts as non-lucky for sq-1. I'm pretty new at it, but I've already encountered some really bizzare cases. So if step 1 of my method is to get it into cube-shape and the scramble given starts it off at cube-shape, is that automatically counted as lucky? Also sometimes things pair up very quickly and I can just solve like the corners of a 2x2x3. I got an 0:11.xx time today and thought that that must be lucky because even the #1 single attempt on the URW listing is below this. Although I have what I consdier a non-lucky PB of 0:36.04 and a PB average of 1:23.xx, I still get times over 5 minutes every now and then, I must be dong something wrong. I sometimes mess up an alg and it goes really bad. Another big question I had, which I am sure is in the WCA rules, but I'd rather have an unbiased discussion here (plus I'm too lazy to read it at the mmoment) - What counts as solved and is there a 2s penalty, and what would constitue a 2s penalty? Today I had a solve where my last step was skipped and it caught me by suprise. I immediately stopped the timer, but then saw that the middle layer was in "kite-shape" (both layers matched up with the left half of the middle layer though).... should this be a DNF or 2s penalty? (although... it takes me more than 2s to fix something like that in a solve) Anyhow, due to my motivation to do sq-1 these days, I check to see if there was another US competition around the corner. As it turns out, just the one in San Fran. is posted on speedcubing. I think we need someone to host one on the east coast (or midwest) sometime in the next few months. I'm itchin' for some action! So ya, I'm curious if there are any plans for such a tourn., if any of you know. A really bizzre thing that happend to me just now. I was looking at US2006 results for the category and was curious how I would rank among those (single attempt) times. I took a hard look at Craig's time as I was scrambling. The next thing I know, the time ended up getting on that very solve was *exactly* 1:15.47, which was Craig's best time at that comp. So..., it looks like you'll be gettin' some competition, man. :0 -Doug

I have been really annoyed by this for a long time. I was curious if it was just me and how frequently it occurs for you guys. Sometimes when I slam my timer very hard, it casues the time to vanish and for it to go into this strange loop. I find this annoying because I am more like to slam on a spectacular solve time. It wasn't too big of a problem for me, but I think there is a simple solution. I wonder how the rubiks.com timer fairs with slamming (although you almost never slam with it since it's based on photo-resistors)... I'm hoping that they fix this problem (as well as allow computer interface, wjhich we have all been yearning for the longest time). I'd think that the designers would have thoughly tested for stuff like this and placed in proper safe-guards. I suspect it has to do with the battery being temporarily knocked out of place (it's the only non-moving part really). Thus they could simply place a "very beefy cap" in parallel with the battery cell and that should fix things. Capacitors are wonderful things... (as are inductors). Plus for Gen3, they could increase the number of batteries needed. Or even better, an optional additonal battery. Another thing, would be to go to something more acessible to consumers like AAA size. What do you guys think? Is the extra weight worth it? As for the form-factor, it's perfect. I'm even used to the placement of the rest button now. A "hold switch" or "guard" could still be useful for the people not used to the timer though. Hem... OR! place the buttons in a more hard-to-accidently-hit location such as an area on the side (perpendicular to the slamming action, and inconspicuous). -Doug

Go for it. When you have an audience, the effect can be amazing on people. Rory jwoelmer2 <jwoelmer2@...> wrote: In the article they mentioned "F R U R' U' F'. That's Front clockwise, Right clockwise, Under clockwise, Right counterclockwise, Under counterclockwise, Front counterclockwise." I just wish they could get the notation correct. "Up" instead of "under," though I can perhaps see where they could have mistaken it. Some of my friends get "Back" and "Bottom" mixed up. This article just goes to show the growing popularity of the cube. It's great. I'm thinking about solving a few cube for my school's talent show. We'll see how it turns out. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "enguarde1234" <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > Hey all, > > The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente Cubers > Club! Check it out at > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php > > Rory > San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, nothing prevents you to do F R D R' D' F'. It is also an algorithm than can be used if you solve from top to bottom. It's just too bad they wrote U = Under :s Gilles 2007/1/6, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...>: > > Go for it. When you have an audience, the effect can be amazing on > people. > > Rory > > jwoelmer2 <jwoelmer2@... <jwoelmer2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > In the article they mentioned "F R U R' U' F'. That's Front clockwise, > Right clockwise, Under clockwise, Right counterclockwise, Under > counterclockwise, Front counterclockwise." > > I just wish they could get the notation correct. "Up" instead of > "under," though I can perhaps see where they could have mistaken it. > Some of my friends get "Back" and "Bottom" mixed up. > > This article just goes to show the growing popularity of the cube. > It's great. I'm thinking about solving a few cube for my school's > talent show. We'll see how it turns out. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "enguarde1234" > <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente Cubers > > Club! Check it out at > > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php > > > > Rory > > San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Doug mate, you're getting yourself into a real minefield here. We have had huge debates about this in the past on the FMC group, and on the speedcubing group too. I described HTM as the standard metric, because that is the official metric used in official WCA FMC competitions. And even after describing all those metrics, you forgot to mention SQTM (Slice-Quarter Turn Metric) :) All the best, DanH --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > Double moves such as R2, etc count as 1 move. > > It is exactly that type of terminology that confuses people. > It's "half turn" or "face turn". I thought that a long time ago we > decided to do away with the ambiguous word "move" and hence "double > moves" is rather meaningless. > > > > This is based on the standard metric for speedcubing - Half Turn, > > which means two quarter turns = one half turn = one move. > > > > One quarter turn = one move also. > > I wouldn't call it the "standard metric". The "popular metric" sure. > In the distant past I recall a lot of debate over what metric people > like to use and that never ended well. > > > So to offer a more through answer... In cubing there is what is > called Quarter-Turn Metric (QTM), Half-Turn Metric/Face-Trun Metric > (HTM/FTM), Slice-Turn Metric (STM), and the rarely heard of > Antislice-Turn Metric (ATM/ASTM). > > The meaning should be pretty obvious since you (aurataro) seem to > have thought about it for a while. The precise mathematical > definition of the word "metric" is rather delicate though. > > A metric is a function (in the math sence), that takes any two > points (or elements) in a space (typically a topological space or in > this case group) and maps it to a non-negative real value, and it > must satisfy 3 axioms. f(x,x) = 0 for all x in the space. f(x,y) = f > (y,x) for all pairs x,y in the space (be symmetric). And f(x,y) + f > (y,z) >= f(x,z) (Triangle-Inequality). > > > -Doug >

> Well, nothing prevents you to do F R D R' D' F'. > It is also an algorithm than can be used if you solve from top to bottom. > > It's just too bad they wrote U = Under :s > > Gilles An even worst blunder is when that article described blindfold solving: "That means memorizing every square on all six sides, the equivalent of six nine-digit numbers..." So six 9-digit base-6 numbers??? Does anyone here actually do that? Seriously.

In response to the part about Studio Cubes being better: Is this after you lube a Studio Cube, or do all/most Studio Cubes come out of the box turning very smoothly? I ask this because I recently purchased a Studio Cube and it is extremely tight! (Unfortunately I ran out of lube and will have to wait a week or two before it arrives in the mail.) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen <avgalen@...> wrote: > > Three tips: > > 1) Play with it a lot. They get better after a while (approx 1 month) > 2) Don't lube it directly, wait a month. > 3) Buy Studio, not Rubiks. They are just a little better > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Making a 4x4x4 Speedcube > Datum: 04/12/06 14:58 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > I was wondering whether anyone can teach me how to make a 4x4x4 > > speedcube other than just lubing it. I've recently purchased a Rubik's > > Revenge from Rubiks.com along with the cube lube. I've already lubed up > > the cube but it just seems quite impossible for this cube to move as > > fast as my 3x3x3 speedcube. And today, I guess was cubing faster than > > the cube can handle and one of the center pieces broke. > > > > Did I buy the wrong type of cube? How should I change the cube so that > > it can be a speedcube? > > > > Thanks! > > > > ~Aron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 >

Hi :-) Why do people have this fascination for number of turns when performance is measured in time units?? Low turn count is just a rough indication of possible speed. Good flow, lookahead and minimising pauses is the main key to speed. As well as being calm and collected, focused ... :-D A 60 move solution may be quicker than a 40 move one, because each step is easier/faster ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aurataro" <aurataro@...> wrote: > > People always say that you should be able to do the cross in 7 moves > 99% of the time. Does a double turn count as 1 or 2 moves when people > say this? Because if it counts as 2 moves I can almost never do the > cross in 7 moves and any advice would be greatly appricated. >

Hi Per, I think move count is more important in the cross than for any other stage, because the are no "algorithms" as such. A solution to the cross is likely to involve some awkward moves, maybe turning 4-6 faces of the cube, so it is important to minimise turn count to always get your cross under 2 seconds. But you're right about the rest of the cube, I would like to see someone execute an average FMC solution faster than someone using a speedcubing method because without lots of practice on the FMC persons part, the speedcuber would win :) Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Why do people have this fascination for number of turns when > performance is measured in time units?? > Low turn count is just a rough indication of possible speed. Good > flow, lookahead and minimising pauses is the main key to speed. As > well as being calm and collected, focused ... :-D > > A 60 move solution may be quicker than a 40 move one, because each > step is easier/faster ;-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "aurataro" > <aurataro@> wrote: > > > > People always say that you should be able to do the cross in 7 > moves > > 99% of the time. Does a double turn count as 1 or 2 moves when > people > > say this? Because if it counts as 2 moves I can almost never do > the > > cross in 7 moves and any advice would be greatly appricated. > > >

> Another big question I had, which I am sure is in the WCA rules, but > I'd rather have an unbiased discussion here (plus I'm too lazy to > read it at the mmoment) - What counts as solved and is there a 2s > penalty, and what would constitue a 2s penalty? In my opinion the rule should be (but I don't know what WCA say about sq-1): If one layer (Up or Down Layer) need 45 or more degrees rotation to fix it than it is a 2s penalty. (If the two layers need 45 or more than it is a DNF, although the cube is just one middle layer move away from solution. But one slice move on 3x3 away is (I think) also DNF.) > So if step 1 of my method is to get it into cube-shape and the > scramble given starts it off at cube-shape, is that automatically > counted as lucky? In my opinion it is lucky, because you skip the whole first step. (Not only skipping the first step, you also have the possibility to look ahead for your second step during inspection.) > Today I had a solve where my last step was skipped and it caught me > by suprise. I immediately stopped the timer, but then saw that the > middle layer was in "kite-shape" (both layers matched up with the > left half of the middle layer though).... should this be a DNF or 2s > penalty? (although... it takes me more than 2s to fix something like > that in a solve) How can you wondering if this is a 2s penalty??? If the middle layer is in kite-shape the cube is not even "almost solved" (defined as on move away from solution), because it takes 3 twists and at least 2 '180 degrees moves' to fix it (so total at least 3+2=5 moves). So of course in this case it is a DNF. Michael Fung

I agree with the U = Under mistake, but I don't see the "solve from top to bottom" part. Don't you mean Cross-On-Left (= Top on Right)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles van den Peereboom To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Of Calculus and Cube Well, nothing prevents you to do F R D R' D' F'. It is also an algorithm than can be used if you solve from top to bottom. It's just too bad they wrote U = Under :s Gilles 2007/1/6, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...>: > > Go for it. When you have an audience, the effect can be amazing on > people. > > Rory > > jwoelmer2 <jwoelmer2@... <jwoelmer2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > In the article they mentioned "F R U R' U' F'. That's Front clockwise, > Right clockwise, Under clockwise, Right counterclockwise, Under > counterclockwise, Front counterclockwise." > > I just wish they could get the notation correct. "Up" instead of > "under," though I can perhaps see where they could have mistaken it. > Some of my friends get "Back" and "Bottom" mixed up. > > This article just goes to show the growing popularity of the cube. > It's great. I'm thinking about solving a few cube for my school's > talent show. We'll see how it turns out. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "enguarde1234" > <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente Cubers > > Club! Check it out at > > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php > > > > Rory > > San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Depends what step we're talking about. If Gilles means a multislotting or empty slot algorithm for F2L, then it could be quite useful with cross-on-top. However, they're talking about BLD methods in the article, in which case neither F R U R' U' F' nor F R D R' D' F' is terribly useful. Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I agree with the U = Under mistake, but I don't see the "solve from top to bottom" part. Don't you mean Cross-On-Left (= Top on Right)? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gilles van den Peereboom > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:31 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Of Calculus and Cube > > > Well, nothing prevents you to do F R D R' D' F'. > It is also an algorithm than can be used if you solve from top to bottom. > > It's just too bad they wrote U = Under :s > > Gilles > > 2007/1/6, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...>: > > > > Go for it. When you have an audience, the effect can be amazing on > > people. > > > > Rory > > > > jwoelmer2 <jwoelmer2@... <jwoelmer2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > In the article they mentioned "F R U R' U' F'. That's Front clockwise, > > Right clockwise, Under clockwise, Right counterclockwise, Under > > counterclockwise, Front counterclockwise." > > > > I just wish they could get the notation correct. "Up" instead of > > "under," though I can perhaps see where they could have mistaken it. > > Some of my friends get "Back" and "Bottom" mixed up. > > > > This article just goes to show the growing popularity of the cube. > > It's great. I'm thinking about solving a few cube for my school's > > talent show. We'll see how it turns out. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > "enguarde1234" > > <enguarde1234@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente Cubers > > > Club! Check it out at > > > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php > > > > > > Rory > > > San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Tyson -- A couple more questions for the Jan 13 competition (that might be of general interest) - I just wanted to confirm that there will not be a 2x2x2 contest. - How will 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 contests be run? My suggestion would be to use the European style format: Everybody does 1 run, top 12 or 16 do a second run, top 6 or 8 finish out an average of 5. Mainly, just make sure everyone knows the format beforehand (and doesn't find out in the middle of a solve :-) I won't be making it into the second round on 3x or 3x-onehand, but I'll just shoot for as good an average as I can get (and thanks for having first round be an average). See everyone next week! yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > So we will be doing the preliminary round to 3x3x3 speed solve and > one-handed speed solve. In order to qualify for the second round in speed > solve, you need to record an average of five under 28 seconds. For > one-handed speed solve, you need an average of 50 seconds. > > Good luck! > > -Tyson > > On 12/25/06, azndlo15 <azndlo15@...> wrote: > > > > Northern California Pre-Qualifying Round > > Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 > > Time: 1 PM to 5 PM > > Location: Winnett Center, Caltech

Just asking where there is a listing of all the tournaments within the next couple months, and asking if there is a Rutgers tournament coming this Spring.

www.speedcubing.com At first I was quite surprised to see that question ^^; Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > Just asking where there is a listing of all the tournaments within the > next couple months, and asking if there is a Rutgers tournament coming > this Spring. >

O well, i knew they had a few tournaments like 5 or 6 listed, just seeing if there were tournaments known further away, i live in New Jersey, so the closest tournament to me is in California! so it kinda sucks --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > www.speedcubing.com > > At first I was quite surprised to see that question ^^; > > Darren > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@> > wrote: > > > > Just asking where there is a listing of all the tournaments within the > > next couple months, and asking if there is a Rutgers tournament coming > > this Spring. > > >

Hi Jeff, We are not planning a 2x2x2 competition at this time. Here is the following format for the events: 3x3x3 Speed Solve, 28 seconds will advance into the second round, and a certain number will advance to the final round. This number will be either 8 or 12. I'm trying to gauge the competitiveness of the competition. I think we could have 12 cubers all under 17 seconds for an average. The level of competition in California is quite high. 3x3x3 One-Handed solve, 50 seconds will advance into the final round. 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve, essentially, you get about 12 minutes of stage time. You may do three attempts if each attempt is under 4 minutes 30 seconds. You may do two attempts if each attempt is under 6 minutes and 30 seconds. Otherwise, you will get one attempt. 4x4x4 Speed Solve, everyone gets two attempts. If both attempts are under 3 minutes, you finish the average of 5. 5x5x5 Speed Solve, everyone gets two attempts. If both attempts are under 4 minutes 30 seconds, you finish the average of 5. -Tyson On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Jeff Soesbe wrote: > Tyson -- > > A couple more questions for the Jan 13 competition (that might be of > general interest) > > - I just wanted to confirm that there will not be a 2x2x2 contest. > > - How will 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 contests be run? My suggestion would be > to use the European style format: Everybody does 1 run, top 12 or 16 > do a second run, top 6 or 8 finish out an average of 5. > > Mainly, just make sure everyone knows the format beforehand (and > doesn't find out in the middle of a solve :-) > > I won't be making it into the second round on 3x or 3x-onehand, but > I'll just shoot for as good an average as I can get (and thanks for > having first round be an average). > > See everyone next week! > > yeff > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > So we will be doing the preliminary round to 3x3x3 speed solve and > > one-handed speed solve. In order to qualify for the second round > in speed > > solve, you need to record an average of five under 28 seconds. For > > one-handed speed solve, you need an average of 50 seconds. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Tyson > > > > On 12/25/06, azndlo15 <azndlo15@...> wrote: > > > > > > Northern California Pre-Qualifying Round > > > Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 > > > Time: 1 PM to 5 PM > > > Location: Winnett Center, Caltech > > >

Can you perhaps just not slam the timer as hard? -Tyson On 1/5/07, d_funny007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I have been really annoyed by this for a long time. I was curious if > it was just me and how frequently it occurs for you guys. > > Sometimes when I slam my timer very hard, it casues the time to > vanish and for it to go into this strange loop. I find this annoying > because I am more like to slam on a spectacular solve time. It > wasn't too big of a problem for me, but I think there is a simple > solution. > > I wonder how the rubiks.com timer fairs with slamming (although you > almost never slam with it since it's based on photo-resistors)... > > I'm hoping that they fix this problem (as well as allow computer > interface, wjhich we have all been yearning for the longest time). > I'd think that the designers would have thoughly tested for stuff > like this and placed in proper safe-guards. > > I suspect it has to do with the battery being temporarily knocked > out of place (it's the only non-moving part really). Thus they could > simply place a "very beefy cap" in parallel with the battery cell > and that should fix things. Capacitors are wonderful things... (as > are inductors). Plus for Gen3, they could increase the number of > batteries needed. Or even better, an optional additonal battery. > Another thing, would be to go to something more acessible to > consumers like AAA size. What do you guys think? Is the extra weight > worth it? > > As for the form-factor, it's perfect. I'm even used to the placement > of the rest button now. A "hold switch" or "guard" could still be > useful for the people not used to the timer though. Hem... OR! place > the buttons in a more hard-to-accidently-hit location such as an > area on the side (perpendicular to the slamming action, and > inconspicuous). > > -Doug > >

It will be on http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/willsmithchrisgardneronoprahpart5of5.avi for a couple of days. If anyone thinks this is illegal in the Netherlands, please tell me so and I will take it down. ----- Original Message ----- From: d_funny007 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 9:45 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: On the local news Ah great! Thank you. I want the whole thing. http://www.yousendit.com/ was shown to me by Hunt, and I think it's a great way of sending files if you have no better means. If it's small you can just e-mail it to me. (doug cube [one word] at gmail, will do) I can host it somewhere if other's want it. I do have some web space still. I'm betting it's in the dreaded FLV format. I have a player for it, but can convert it for you guys too. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I don't make a habit of checking links that used to work. I do have this still on my computer and am now wondering if I could supply you with this file, or maybe just the part of it that has the cubing in it? > > Please advise. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No I was talking about a normal speedsolve in which you would solve the cross on top but then keep the cube like this. But anyway the algorithm doesn't work to orient edges. You have to use something like F L D L' D' F' to do it. Gilles 2007/1/6, Tim Reynolds <timothy.reynolds2@...>: > > Depends what step we're talking about. If Gilles means a > multislotting or empty slot algorithm for F2L, then it could be > quite useful with cross-on-top. However, they're talking about BLD > methods in the article, in which case neither F R U R' U' F' nor F R > D R' D' F' is terribly useful. > > Tim > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Arnaud van Galen" > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > I agree with the U = Under mistake, but I don't see the "solve > from top to bottom" part. Don't you mean Cross-On-Left (= Top on > Right)? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gilles van den Peereboom > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 9:31 AM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Of Calculus and Cube > > > > > > Well, nothing prevents you to do F R D R' D' F'. > > It is also an algorithm than can be used if you solve from top > to bottom. > > > > It's just too bad they wrote U = Under :s > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/6, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...>: > > > > > > Go for it. When you have an audience, the effect can be > amazing on > > > people. > > > > > > Rory > > > > > > jwoelmer2 <jwoelmer2@... <jwoelmer2%40verizon.net>> wrote: > > > In the article they mentioned "F R U R' U' F'. That's Front > clockwise, > > > Right clockwise, Under clockwise, Right counterclockwise, Under > > > counterclockwise, Front counterclockwise." > > > > > > I just wish they could get the notation correct. "Up" instead > of > > > "under," though I can perhaps see where they could have > mistaken it. > > > Some of my friends get "Back" and "Bottom" mixed up. > > > > > > This article just goes to show the growing popularity of the > cube. > > > It's great. I'm thinking about solving a few cube for my > school's > > > talent show. We'll see how it turns out. > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "enguarde1234" > > > <enguarde1234@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > The OC Register did an article last week on the San Clemente > Cubers > > > > Club! Check it out at > > > > > http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/local/article_1401410.php > > > > > > > > Rory > > > > San Clemente Cubers Club VP, Public Relations Director > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I went to the mall recently to get extra cubes for relays and every toy/game store was sold out. Every cashier essentially said, "We've been sold out ever since that Will Smith movie came out." On the airplane back to Penn, I was fiddling with my cube again and the flight attendant spoke out, "Hey, Will Smith can do those!" to which I replied with a solve -- always resulting in a funny response, haha. Additionally, I've been running into more and more people who have picked up the cube as a new hobby. It's nice to see the cube getting around :D

=X --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Can you perhaps just not slam the timer as hard? > > -Tyson > > On 1/5/07, d_funny007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been really annoyed by this for a long time. I was curious if > > it was just me and how frequently it occurs for you guys. > > > > Sometimes when I slam my timer very hard, it casues the time to > > vanish and for it to go into this strange loop. I find this annoying > > because I am more like to slam on a spectacular solve time. It > > wasn't too big of a problem for me, but I think there is a simple > > solution. > > > > I wonder how the rubiks.com timer fairs with slamming (although you > > almost never slam with it since it's based on photo-resistors)... > > > > I'm hoping that they fix this problem (as well as allow computer > > interface, wjhich we have all been yearning for the longest time). > > I'd think that the designers would have thoughly tested for stuff > > like this and placed in proper safe-guards. > > > > I suspect it has to do with the battery being temporarily knocked > > out of place (it's the only non-moving part really). Thus they could > > simply place a "very beefy cap" in parallel with the battery cell > > and that should fix things. Capacitors are wonderful things... (as > > are inductors). Plus for Gen3, they could increase the number of > > batteries needed. Or even better, an optional additonal battery. > > Another thing, would be to go to something more acessible to > > consumers like AAA size. What do you guys think? Is the extra weight > > worth it? > > > > As for the form-factor, it's perfect. I'm even used to the placement > > of the rest button now. A "hold switch" or "guard" could still be > > useful for the people not used to the timer though. Hem... OR! place > > the buttons in a more hard-to-accidently-hit location such as an > > area on the side (perpendicular to the slamming action, and > > inconspicuous). > > > > -Doug > > > > >

I'll add this to my justification for not including the 2x2x2 in the combined rankings list... DanH :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > > We are not planning a 2x2x2 competition at this time. > > Here is the following format for the events: > > 3x3x3 Speed Solve, 28 seconds will advance into the second round, and a > certain number will advance to the final round. This number will be > either 8 or 12. I'm trying to gauge the competitiveness of the > competition. I think we could have 12 cubers all under 17 seconds for > an average. The level of competition in California is quite high. > > 3x3x3 One-Handed solve, 50 seconds will advance into the final round. > > 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve, essentially, you get about 12 minutes of stage > time. You may do three attempts if each attempt is under 4 minutes 30 > seconds. You may do two attempts if each attempt is under 6 minutes > and 30 seconds. Otherwise, you will get one attempt. > > 4x4x4 Speed Solve, everyone gets two attempts. If both attempts are > under 3 minutes, you finish the average of 5. > > 5x5x5 Speed Solve, everyone gets two attempts. If both attempts are > under 4 minutes 30 seconds, you finish the average of 5. > > -Tyson > > On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Jeff Soesbe wrote: > > > Tyson -- > > > > A couple more questions for the Jan 13 competition (that might be of > > general interest) > > > > - I just wanted to confirm that there will not be a 2x2x2 contest. > > > > - How will 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 contests be run? My suggestion would be > > to use the European style format: Everybody does 1 run, top 12 or 16 > > do a second run, top 6 or 8 finish out an average of 5. > > > > Mainly, just make sure everyone knows the format beforehand (and > > doesn't find out in the middle of a solve :-) > > > > I won't be making it into the second round on 3x or 3x-onehand, but > > I'll just shoot for as good an average as I can get (and thanks for > > having first round be an average). > > > > See everyone next week! > > > > yeff > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > So we will be doing the preliminary round to 3x3x3 speed solve and > > > one-handed speed solve. In order to qualify for the second round > > in speed > > > solve, you need to record an average of five under 28 seconds. For > > > one-handed speed solve, you need an average of 50 seconds. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > On 12/25/06, azndlo15 <azndlo15@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Northern California Pre-Qualifying Round > > > > Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 > > > > Time: 1 PM to 5 PM > > > > Location: Winnett Center, Caltech > > > > > > >

Heh and then you get all those people coming up to you saying "oh i know the centers always stay still!!!!"

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > Ok, are you referring to: > > 1) that I do inspection with two hands, or Yep. That has been forbidden since Sep 2005. > 2) that I maybe stop the cube not only with fingers? Nope. That has been explicitly allowed since Jul 2006. I know it was an unofficial solve so it doesn't really matter much. Just want to remind people so they don't forget it in competition. Would be sad if you used two hands in competition just because you're used to it from practice. I personally prefer to practice competition- style, up to the point that for Germany 2006 I covered the cube after inspection, talked with an imaginary judge, and didn't sit but stand. Cheers! Stefan

Or of course here: http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/competitions.php Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > www.speedcubing.com > > At first I was quite surprised to see that question ^^; > > Darren > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@> > wrote: > > > > Just asking where there is a listing of all the tournaments within the > > next couple months, and asking if there is a Rutgers tournament coming > > this Spring. > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mmwfung1985" <mmwfung1985@...> wrote: > > > Another big question I had, which I am sure is in the WCA rules, but > > I'd rather have an unbiased discussion here (plus I'm too lazy to > > read it at the mmoment) - What counts as solved and is there a 2s > > penalty, and what would constitue a 2s penalty? > > In my opinion the rule should be (but I don't know what WCA say about > sq-1): If one layer (Up or Down Layer) need 45 or more degrees > rotation to fix it than it is a 2s penalty. (If the two layers need 45 > or more than it is a DNF, although the cube is just one middle layer > move away from solution. But one slice move on 3x3 away is (I think) > also DNF.) Don't think. Read. Reduces the risk to spread myths. Article 10: http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations.html Cheers! Stefan

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi :-) > > Why do people have this fascination for number of turns when > performance is measured in time units?? Time will only measure how fast people perform solutions now, but if we are interested in assessing the potential of a solving strategy, then we need to turn to predictive metrics. > Low turn count is just a rough indication of possible speed. Exactly. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

As you all kinda saw on Speedcubing.com, Yu Jeong Min (aka Gungz) broke the WR for avg of 5 from Anssi's 13.22 seconds to 11.76 seconds...a sub 12! That's almost 1 and a half seconds faster! Now that...is gonna be hard to beat. Also the one handed single solve of 19.34 seconds...a sub 20! Visit his nice blog that might contain something interesting for you guys to see ;-) http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt Anything else to talk about this? lol -Harris

On the list of registered competitors I only saw 11 French and 3 Belgian competitors. Are any Dutch cubers going there? http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/clement.gallet/roissy/

And another thing about Yu Jeong Min: He is currently holding the best 9 times of the year! To bad he did a 13.09 and not a 12.89, otherwise he would have gotten all 10! http://www.worldcubeassociation.org/results/events.php?eventId=333&regionId=&years=only%2B2007&show=100%2BResults&single=Single ----- Original Message ----- From: Arnaud van Galen To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Yu Jeong Min's WR Record 11.76 avg of 5 I was almost sure that we would get a sub 10 and a sub 20 one handed this year. But this year is just 1 week old! New Goals for this year: Sub 9 single solve Sub 18 single solve OH Sub 10 average of 5 Sub 20 average of 10 OH Who thinks all of these goals will be reached this year? ----- Original Message ----- From: Harris Chan To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Yu Jeong Min's WR Record 11.76 avg of 5 As you all kinda saw on Speedcubing.com, Yu Jeong Min (aka Gungz) broke the WR for avg of 5 from Anssi's 13.22 seconds to 11.76 seconds...a sub 12! That's almost 1 and a half seconds faster! Now that...is gonna be hard to beat. Also the one handed single solve of 19.34 seconds...a sub 20! Visit his nice blog that might contain something interesting for you guys to see ;-) http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt Anything else to talk about this? lol -Harris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was almost sure that we would get a sub 10 and a sub 20 one handed this year. But this year is just 1 week old! New Goals for this year: Sub 9 single solve Sub 18 single solve OH Sub 10 average of 5 Sub 20 average of 10 OH Who thinks all of these goals will be reached this year? ----- Original Message ----- From: Harris Chan To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Yu Jeong Min's WR Record 11.76 avg of 5 As you all kinda saw on Speedcubing.com, Yu Jeong Min (aka Gungz) broke the WR for avg of 5 from Anssi's 13.22 seconds to 11.76 seconds...a sub 12! That's almost 1 and a half seconds faster! Now that...is gonna be hard to beat. Also the one handed single solve of 19.34 seconds...a sub 20! Visit his nice blog that might contain something interesting for you guys to see ;-) http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt Anything else to talk about this? lol -Harris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That is not sufficiently explicit for me. I think that something needs to be added there in the case of sq-1 just to be perfectly clear. All I could gather was that 45 deg, since it is most similar to the 2x2 among all the ohter's mentioned. But I can't conclude this for certain. What do yuo guys think looking at Article 10? Another hting that worries me a bit is that the term "square" is only found twice int he entire article... only saying that the scramble is to be 40 "moves" and that the format is perfered to be "mean of 3". In fact, it is not clear to me what "Half-Turn Metrics" is when applied to Sq- 1, but it can only be presummed to be the "Twist-Metric". Cliking on the scramble program provided by Jaap, I deduce that it is actually "Turn-Metric" instead.... -Doug > Don't think. Read. Reduces the risk to spread myths. > > Article 10: > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations.html > > Cheers! > Stefan

Gah. Now you made it look like I was talking to you. Wasn't. Was to Michael. Cause he got the rules for cubes wrong (I should've pointed to 10e2, to be precise). Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > That is not sufficiently explicit for me. I think that something needs > to be added there in the case of sq-1 just to be perfectly clear. > > All I could gather was that 45 deg, since it is most similar to the > 2x2 among all the ohter's mentioned. But I can't conclude this for > certain. What do yuo guys think looking at Article 10? Another hting > that worries me a bit is that the term "square" is only found twice > int he entire article... only saying that the scramble is to be > 40 "moves" and that the format is perfered to be "mean of 3". In fact, > it is not clear to me what "Half-Turn Metrics" is when applied to Sq- > 1, but it can only be presummed to be the "Twist-Metric". Cliking on > the scramble program provided by Jaap, I deduce that it is > actually "Turn-Metric" instead.... > > > -Doug > > > > Don't think. Read. Reduces the risk to spread myths. > > > > Article 10: > > http://www.speedcubing.com/events/regulations.html > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "r2zou" <r2zou@...> wrote: > > Heh and then you get all those people coming up to you saying "oh i > know the centers always stay still!!!!" > LOL that's exactly what happened to me when i was talking to this...Adidas store employee. So they said, "so what does that mean?"

How much would you pay to see a sub-12 average in a competition? If 25 people put in $50, we could fly him to the United States. I'm definitely in... -Tyson

Are they on video on video? If so, why not just watch that? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] how much? How much would you pay to see a sub-12 average in a competition? If 25 people put in $50, we could fly him to the United States. I'm definitely in... -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm down for this. -Ryan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > How much would you pay to see a sub-12 average in a competition? If 25 > people put in $50, we could fly him to the United States. I'm > definitely in... > > -Tyson >

Because, anyone can do anything on video. People do some pretty crazy stuff on video, like that video director who solved it with his feet. When you average sub-12 in competition, you deserve a trip to the United States. -Tyson On Jan 7, 2007, at 4:04 PM, ryn_patricio wrote: > I'm down for this. > > -Ryan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > How much would you pay to see a sub-12 average in a competition? If > 25 > > people put in $50, we could fly him to the United States. I'm > > definitely in... > > > > -Tyson > > > > >

Tyson, Just one question. What makes you think he wants to fly to the states to compete in a competition? (I'll leave it at one question for now...) Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Because, anyone can do anything on video. People do some pretty crazy > stuff on video, like that video director who solved it with his feet. > When you average sub-12 in competition, you deserve a trip to the > United States. > > -Tyson > > On Jan 7, 2007, at 4:04 PM, ryn_patricio wrote: > > > I'm down for this. > > > > -Ryan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > How much would you pay to see a sub-12 average in a competition? If > > 25 > > > people put in $50, we could fly him to the United States. I'm > > > definitely in... > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > > >

You think he could repeat this w/ avg or 12 or so? Or even 5 avg again? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: how much? Because, anyone can do anything on video. People do some pretty crazy stuff on video, like that video director who solved it with his feet. When you average sub-12 in competition, you deserve a trip to the United States. -Tyson On Jan 7, 2007, at 4:04 PM, ryn_patricio wrote: > I'm down for this. > > -Ryan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, Tyson Mao > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > How much would you pay to see a sub-12 average in a competition? If > 25 > > people put in $50, we could fly him to the United States. I'm > > definitely in... > > > > -Tyson > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's not whether or not he'll want to compete. It's just that what he has done is so incredible... and a lot of people would pay good money to see him live.

Hi all, This is Kevin Wu, I currently attend UCSD as a first year and have established a cube club here. If anyone at or around UCSD would like to attend our club meetings (on campus) to learn more about cubing, share your own knowledge, or just to meet new cubers, feel free to contact me. Kevin Wu

So awesome! Did you contact Mark Polinkovsky and Adam Zamora? -Tyson On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:39 PM, verymagicalguy wrote: > Hi all, > > This is Kevin Wu, I currently attend UCSD as a first year and have > established a cube club here. If anyone at or around UCSD would like > to attend our club meetings (on campus) to learn more about cubing, > share your own knowledge, or just to meet new cubers, feel free to > contact me. > > Kevin Wu > > >

I can take care of the OH records if you want ! :D No seriously, I knew he was fast but... Well, I am glad I chose Korea as my destination for a 6-month study program. :D Congratulations Mr Jeong-Min :D Gilles 2007/1/7, Arnaud van Galen <avgalen@...>: > > I was almost sure that we would get a sub 10 and a sub 20 one handed > this year. But this year is just 1 week old! > > New Goals for this year: > Sub 9 single solve > Sub 18 single solve OH > Sub 10 average of 5 > Sub 20 average of 10 OH > > Who thinks all of these goals will be reached this year? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Harris Chan > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:11 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Yu Jeong Min's WR Record 11.76 avg of 5 > > As you all kinda saw on Speedcubing.com, Yu Jeong Min (aka Gungz) > broke the WR for avg of 5 from Anssi's 13.22 seconds to 11.76 > seconds...a sub 12! That's almost 1 and a half seconds faster! Now > that...is gonna be hard to beat. > > Also the one handed single solve of 19.34 seconds...a sub 20! > > Visit his nice blog that might contain something interesting for you > guys to see ;-) > > http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt > > Anything else to talk about this? lol > > -Harris > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Not yet, I'll be sure to do that! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > So awesome! Did you contact Mark Polinkovsky and Adam Zamora? > > -Tyson > > On Jan 7, 2007, at 11:39 PM, verymagicalguy wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > This is Kevin Wu, I currently attend UCSD as a first year and have > > established a cube club here. If anyone at or around UCSD would like > > to attend our club meetings (on campus) to learn more about cubing, > > share your own knowledge, or just to meet new cubers, feel free to > > contact me. > > > > Kevin Wu > > > > > > >

The Allround list (including 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) is available on http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006- 2345.htm (sorry for the strange url, but I don't have hosting anymore) There are 4 tabs on the bottom for the 4 different rankings: Single_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list Average_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list but based on averages Single_Relative_Result: Competitors best single times compared to events best single times Average_Relative_Result: Competitors best average times compared to events best average times I think absolute times are simple to understand. I include relative times to show how everyone compares to the best. For example: Person Frank Morris 2x2x2 1.16 3x3x3 1.34 4x4x4 1.11 5x5x5 1.00 Total 1.15 Ranking 1 means Frank is 16% slower than the best 2x2x2 solver (Frank Morris: 4.12, Anthony Hsu: 3.55) 34% slower than the best 3x3x3 solver (Frank Morris: 14.07, Toby Mao: 10.48) 11% slower than the best 4x4x4 solver (Frank Morris: 56.85, Michael Fung: 51.16) and that he is the best 5x5x5 solver This results in him being 15% slower overall compared to the best solvers. I hope I made it clear how these rankings work and that people agree they are all useful. Hopefully Stefan will include all of these lists on speedcubing.

The last 2 list gives a better view i think tnx for the list im doing not bad after all :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > The Allround list (including 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) is > available on > http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006- > 2345.htm (sorry for the strange url, but I don't have hosting anymore) > > There are 4 tabs on the bottom for the 4 different rankings: > Single_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list > Average_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list but based on averages > Single_Relative_Result: Competitors best single times compared to > events best single times > Average_Relative_Result: Competitors best average times compared to > events best average times > > I think absolute times are simple to understand. I include relative > times to show how everyone compares to the best. For example: > > Person Frank Morris > 2x2x2 1.16 > 3x3x3 1.34 > 4x4x4 1.11 > 5x5x5 1.00 > Total 1.15 > Ranking 1 > > means Frank is 16% slower than the best 2x2x2 solver (Frank Morris: > 4.12, Anthony Hsu: 3.55) > 34% slower than the best 3x3x3 solver (Frank Morris: 14.07, Toby Mao: > 10.48) > 11% slower than the best 4x4x4 solver (Frank Morris: 56.85, Michael > Fung: 51.16) > and that he is the best 5x5x5 solver > This results in him being 15% slower overall compared to the best > solvers. > > I hope I made it clear how these rankings work and that people agree > they are all useful. Hopefully Stefan will include all of these lists > on speedcubing. >

Sorry but the link doesn't work here? http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006-2345.htm --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The last 2 list gives a better view i think > > tnx for the list > im doing not bad after all :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > The Allround list (including 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) is > > available on > > http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006- > > 2345.htm (sorry for the strange url, but I don't have hosting > anymore) > > > > There are 4 tabs on the bottom for the 4 different rankings: > > Single_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list > > Average_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list but based on averages > > Single_Relative_Result: Competitors best single times compared to > > events best single times > > Average_Relative_Result: Competitors best average times compared > to > > events best average times > > > > I think absolute times are simple to understand. I include > relative > > times to show how everyone compares to the best. For example: > > > > Person Frank Morris > > 2x2x2 1.16 > > 3x3x3 1.34 > > 4x4x4 1.11 > > 5x5x5 1.00 > > Total 1.15 > > Ranking 1 > > > > means Frank is 16% slower than the best 2x2x2 solver (Frank > Morris: > > 4.12, Anthony Hsu: 3.55) > > 34% slower than the best 3x3x3 solver (Frank Morris: 14.07, Toby > Mao: > > 10.48) > > 11% slower than the best 4x4x4 solver (Frank Morris: 56.85, > Michael > > Fung: 51.16) > > and that he is the best 5x5x5 solver > > This results in him being 15% slower overall compared to the best > > solvers. > > > > I hope I made it clear how these rankings work and that people > agree > > they are all useful. Hopefully Stefan will include all of these > lists > > on speedcubing. > > >

Most of you have probably seen this already: http://www.instructables.com/id/E8WVOU65CCETOMLJQD/?ALLSTEPS and http://www.instructables.com/id/EPR5CLQ0CSEP287389/ I am thinking seriously about making this cubes, starting with a serie of 100, and selling them for 80$/cube (exclusive shipping) through a little internet shop. Making them cheaper is not an option, because the material itself is not cheap and a lot of works needs to be done just for one cube. Starting a whole serie requires some financial investment, so I would like to pre-check the interest. Please answer to this thread if you are interested, and let me know the following: 1) do you like "acrylic + colored stickers" OR "dotted dices"? 2) if you choose "dotted dices", which color: red, blue, or green?

Hello all, a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of competition. Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes for blind people(the ones that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your fingers)? Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same 15 seconds of a normal competition, because people can always "feel" the cube during the solve. Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would it be a nice idea? I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a cube for blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving time. What do you think? Cheers, Guilherme Brazil.

What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. Gilles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Listas <listas@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of competition. > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes for blind people(the ones > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your fingers)? > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same 15 > seconds of a normal competition, because people can always "feel" the > cube during the solve. > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would it be a nice idea? > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a cube for > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving time. > What do you think? > > Cheers, > > Guilherme > Brazil. >

I just clicked on the link in your post and it works. I tested in Internet Explorer 7 and Opera 9.10. Also, Alexander could open it just fine. Just to be sure: http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006-2345.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: megafrikkie To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Combined Rankings of 2006 Sorry but the link doesn't work here? http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006-2345.htm --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, a_ooms75 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > The last 2 list gives a better view i think > > tnx for the list > im doing not bad after all :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" > <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > The Allround list (including 2x2x2, 3x3x3, 4x4x4 and 5x5x5) is > > available on > > http://www.silhouette.nl/2006_uk_open/wcacombinedrankings2006- > > 2345.htm (sorry for the strange url, but I don't have hosting > anymore) > > > > There are 4 tabs on the bottom for the 4 different rankings: > > Single_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list > > Average_Absolute_Rank: Like Dan's list but based on averages > > Single_Relative_Result: Competitors best single times compared to > > events best single times > > Average_Relative_Result: Competitors best average times compared > to > > events best average times > > > > I think absolute times are simple to understand. I include > relative > > times to show how everyone compares to the best. For example: > > > > Person Frank Morris > > 2x2x2 1.16 > > 3x3x3 1.34 > > 4x4x4 1.11 > > 5x5x5 1.00 > > Total 1.15 > > Ranking 1 > > > > means Frank is 16% slower than the best 2x2x2 solver (Frank > Morris: > > 4.12, Anthony Hsu: 3.55) > > 34% slower than the best 3x3x3 solver (Frank Morris: 14.07, Toby > Mao: > > 10.48) > > 11% slower than the best 4x4x4 solver (Frank Morris: 56.85, > Michael > > Fung: 51.16) > > and that he is the best 5x5x5 solver > > This results in him being 15% slower overall compared to the best > > solvers. > > > > I hope I made it clear how these rankings work and that people > agree > > they are all useful. Hopefully Stefan will include all of these > lists > > on speedcubing. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys, There is already an unofficial category on speedcubing.com. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles Roux To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:44 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New category? What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. Gilles. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Listas <listas@...> wrote: > > Hello all, > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of competition. > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes for blind people(the ones > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your fingers)? > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same 15 > seconds of a normal competition, because people can always "feel" the > cube during the solve. > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would it be a nice idea? > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a cube for > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving time. > What do you think? > > Cheers, > > Guilherme > Brazil. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

is the idea to have blind people compete or to have a new type of blindfold category? cuz i would imagine it would be hard for actual blind people to learn how to solve the cube. -Roger... i'm new lol. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > Gilles. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Listas <listas@> wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of > competition. > > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes for > blind people(the ones > > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your fingers)? > > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same 15 > > seconds of a normal competition, because people can always "feel" the > > cube during the solve. > > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would it > be a nice idea? > > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a cube for > > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving time. > > What do you think? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Guilherme > > Brazil. > > >

I would like a red "dotted dices" 80$ is expensive, but seems reasonable. ----- Original Message ----- From: hippotizer To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Magnetic Cube Most of you have probably seen this already: http://www.instructables.com/id/E8WVOU65CCETOMLJQD/?ALLSTEPS and http://www.instructables.com/id/EPR5CLQ0CSEP287389/ I am thinking seriously about making this cubes, starting with a serie of 100, and selling them for 80$/cube (exclusive shipping) through a little internet shop. Making them cheaper is not an option, because the material itself is not cheap and a lot of works needs to be done just for one cube. Starting a whole serie requires some financial investment, so I would like to pre-check the interest. Please answer to this thread if you are interested, and let me know the following: 1) do you like "acrylic + colored stickers" OR "dotted dices"? 2) if you choose "dotted dices", which color: red, blue, or green? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This category (and many others) already exists: http://www.speedcubing.com/records ----- Original Message ----- From: Listas To: hippotizer Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] New category? Hello all, a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of competition. Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes for blind people(the ones that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your fingers)? Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same 15 seconds of a normal competition, because people can always "feel" the cube during the solve. Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would it be a nice idea? I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a cube for blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving time. What do you think? Cheers, Guilherme Brazil. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have a similar idea: each competitor gets two cubes scrambled the same way, but one is a textured cube. It's like blindfold cubing, but you wear a blindfold the whole time. You memorize on the textured cube, solve on the regular cube. Fred Johnson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think it depends much on whether they could see the cube or not before they got blind. But anyway, you would be surprised by blind people. They have to create the entire world only on the basis of sound, touch, taste and odor. So I think creating a Rubik's Cube shouldn't be too hard... Gilles.be 2007/1/8, neeks118 <rogerssolema@...>: > > is the idea to have blind people compete or to have a new type of > blindfold category? cuz i would imagine it would be hard for actual > blind people to learn how to solve the cube. > > -Roger... i'm new lol. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles Roux" > > <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would > authorize > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > > > Gilles. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Listas <listas@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of > > competition. > > > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes > for > > blind people(the ones > > > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your > fingers)? > > > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same > 15 > > > seconds of a normal competition, because people can > always "feel" the > > > cube during the solve. > > > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would > it > > be a nice idea? > > > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a > cube for > > > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving > time. > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Guilherme > > > Brazil. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

yes actually i read a nice article in the l.a. times from 81' about a blind girl that solved using norse's book. its no more difficult for them to learn, devices like opticons translate regular books, or even webpages into braille for the blind. she was under 3 minutes, so if that was possible in the early 80's i'm sure with the wealth of information out now, it wouldn't be too difficult Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> wrote: I think it depends much on whether they could see the cube or not before they got blind. But anyway, you would be surprised by blind people. They have to create the entire world only on the basis of sound, touch, taste and odor. So I think creating a Rubik's Cube shouldn't be too hard... Gilles.be 2007/1/8, neeks118 <rogerssolema@...>: > > is the idea to have blind people compete or to have a new type of > blindfold category? cuz i would imagine it would be hard for actual > blind people to learn how to solve the cube. > > -Roger... i'm new lol. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles Roux" > > <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would > authorize > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > > > Gilles. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Listas <listas@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of > > competition. > > > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes > for > > blind people(the ones > > > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your > fingers)? > > > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same > 15 > > > seconds of a normal competition, because people can > always "feel" the > > > cube during the solve. > > > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would > it > > be a nice idea? > > > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a > cube for > > > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving > time. > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Guilherme > > > Brazil. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, I agree with Clancy here. I wouldn't treat a blind person solving a blindman's cube as a sighted person trying to solve the blindman's cube without looking. For all of us who are fortunate to have the use of our eyes, our ability to distinguish shapeds by feel is not absolutely crucial to our every day needs in the world. There will actually be a very interesting opportunity at the exploratorium on Saturday. They have what is called the "tactile dome." It's a maze inside the dome and essentially, it's completely dark. As a sighted person, it takes a bit of time to get through, but when blind people go ahead and try to manuver, they can get out really quickly. The exploratorium has reserved for me 15 spots at 6:45 PM this Saturday. Spots are first reserved for the Caltech and Berkeley Rubik's Cube club (as they're the ones I booked it for), but if anyone else is interested, please contact me and I'll see what I can do. -Tyson On 1/8/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > yes actually i read a nice article in the l.a. times from 81' about a > blind girl that solved using norse's book. its no more difficult for them to > learn, devices like opticons translate regular books, or even webpages into > braille for the blind. she was under 3 minutes, so if that was possible in > the early 80's i'm sure with the wealth of information out now, it wouldn't > be too difficult > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@... <gillesvdp%40gmail.com>> > wrote: I think it depends much on whether they could see the cube or not > before > they got blind. > > But anyway, you would be surprised by blind people. They have to create > the > entire world only on the basis of sound, touch, taste and odor. So I think > creating a Rubik's Cube shouldn't be too hard... > > Gilles.be > > 2007/1/8, neeks118 <rogerssolema@... <rogerssolema%40gmail.com>>: > > > > is the idea to have blind people compete or to have a new type of > > blindfold category? cuz i would imagine it would be hard for actual > > blind people to learn how to solve the cube. > > > > -Roger... i'm new lol. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Gilles Roux" > > > > <grrroux@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would > > authorize > > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > > > > > Gilles. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Listas <listas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of > > > competition. > > > > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes > > for > > > blind people(the ones > > > > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your > > fingers)? > > > > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same > > 15 > > > > seconds of a normal competition, because people can > > always "feel" the > > > > cube during the solve. > > > > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would > > it > > > be a nice idea? > > > > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a > > cube for > > > > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving > > time. > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Guilherme > > > > Brazil. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wow! Exceptionally cool cube! I'd definitely be interested in a dice cube like that, and i think red would be the best color. Yeah, $80 is a lot, but i agree it's reasonable. When can i get one? --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I would like a red "dotted dices" > 80$ is expensive, but seems reasonable. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hippotizer > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Magnetic Cube > > > Most of you have probably seen this already: > > http://www.instructables.com/id/E8WVOU65CCETOMLJQD/?ALLSTEPS > > and > > http://www.instructables.com/id/EPR5CLQ0CSEP287389/ > > I am thinking seriously about making this cubes, starting with a serie > of 100, and selling them for 80$/cube (exclusive shipping) through a > little internet shop. Making them cheaper is not an option, because > the material itself is not cheap and a lot of works needs to be done > just for one cube. Starting a whole serie requires some financial > investment, so I would like to pre-check the interest. Please answer > to this thread if you are interested, and let me know the following: > > 1) do you like "acrylic + colored stickers" OR "dotted dices"? > 2) if you choose "dotted dices", which color: red, blue, or green? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Thank you for all the answers. I didn't know the category and the times were a little higher than what I expected. Maybe blind people could do better on this, because of their hi developed tact. Guilherme. Monday, January 8, 2007, 8:14:14 PM, you wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I agree with Clancy here. > > I wouldn't treat a blind person solving a blindman's cube as a sighted > person trying to solve the blindman's cube without looking. For all of us > who are fortunate to have the use of our eyes, our ability to distinguish > shapeds by feel is not absolutely crucial to our every day needs in the > world. > > There will actually be a very interesting opportunity at the exploratorium > on Saturday. They have what is called the "tactile dome." It's a maze > inside the dome and essentially, it's completely dark. As a sighted person, > it takes a bit of time to get through, but when blind people go ahead and > try to manuver, they can get out really quickly. > > The exploratorium has reserved for me 15 spots at 6:45 PM this Saturday. > Spots are first reserved for the Caltech and Berkeley Rubik's Cube club (as > they're the ones I booked it for), but if anyone else is interested, please > contact me and I'll see what I can do. > > -Tyson > > On 1/8/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: >> >> yes actually i read a nice article in the l.a. times from 81' about a >> blind girl that solved using norse's book. its no more difficult for them to >> learn, devices like opticons translate regular books, or even webpages into >> braille for the blind. she was under 3 minutes, so if that was possible in >> the early 80's i'm sure with the wealth of information out now, it wouldn't >> be too difficult >> >> Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@... <gillesvdp%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: I think it depends much on whether they could see the cube or not >> before >> they got blind. >> >> But anyway, you would be surprised by blind people. They have to create >> the >> entire world only on the basis of sound, touch, taste and odor. So I think >> creating a Rubik's Cube shouldn't be too hard... >> >> Gilles.be >> >> 2007/1/8, neeks118 <rogerssolema@... <rogerssolema%40gmail.com>>: >> > >> > is the idea to have blind people compete or to have a new type of >> > blindfold category? cuz i would imagine it would be hard for actual >> > blind people to learn how to solve the cube. >> > >> > -Roger... i'm new lol. >> > >> > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> >> <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, >> > "Gilles Roux" >> > >> > <grrroux@...> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would >> > authorize >> > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. >> > > >> > > Gilles. >> > > >> > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> >> <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, >> > Listas <listas@> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Hello all, >> > > > >> > > > a friend of mine was thinking about a possible new category of >> > > competition. >> > > > Would it be interesting (possible) to blind solve, using cubes >> > for >> > > blind people(the ones >> > > > that have textures or symbols that you can feel with your >> > fingers)? >> > > > Even the inspection would be done blindfolded, maybe in the same >> > 15 >> > > > seconds of a normal competition, because people can >> > always "feel" the >> > > > cube during the solve. >> > > > Is there a competition that includes something like this? Would >> > it >> > > be a nice idea? >> > > > I didn't try to do this kind of solve because I don't have a >> > cube for >> > > > blind people, but I would like to see what happens with solving >> > time. >> > > > What do you think? >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > >> > > > Guilherme >> > > > Brazil. >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > --

On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:44, Gilles Roux wrote: > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. BTW, I'm convinced blind people could easily rule the field of blindfolded cubing. You heard it here first. - - - - - - - - - - - - "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." --- John McCarthy Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Yes and no. Because technically in a Blindfold competition the cube can't have any markings, the stickers have to be perfect... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:44, Gilles Roux wrote: > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > BTW, I'm convinced blind people could easily rule the field of > blindfolded cubing. > > You heard it here first. > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." > --- John McCarthy > > Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com >

Well... Leyan is pretty close to being legally blind. -Tyson On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:34 PM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > Yes and no. Because technically in a Blindfold competition the cube > can't have any > markings, the stickers have to be perfect... > > Craig > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> > wrote: > > > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:44, Gilles Roux wrote: > > > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would > authorize > > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > > > BTW, I'm convinced blind people could easily rule the field of > > blindfolded cubing. > > > > You heard it here first. > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." > > --- John McCarthy > > > > Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com > > > > >

Hmmm ... in response to Dan's joke :-) I just might to bring a couple of stackmats, a bunch of scrambles, and run an informal 2x2x2 competition on the side. Bring your 2x2x2 cubes folks, and we'll see what we can pull off! yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > I'll add this to my justification for not including the 2x2x2 in the > combined rankings list... > > DanH :) > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > We are not planning a 2x2x2 competition at this time.

Hey Tyson -- Thanks for the detailed reply on format! See you Saturday, yeff --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > > We are not planning a 2x2x2 competition at this time. > > Here is the following format for the events: > [Deleted for space]

Dear all, i'm a newbie in this community. I wanna ask u all, where can i get a good quality cube. Because in my city (denpasar), there's no shops which sell a good quality cube. My cube sucks, i can't learn to be fast. sorry for my english. regards frida __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's cool! I'd like to read that article. If you still have it (or someone else here as it), could you post a scan of it for us? -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > yes actually i read a nice article in the l.a. times from 81' about a blind girl that solved using norse's book. its no more difficult for them to learn, devices like opticons translate regular books, or even webpages into braille for the blind. she was under 3 minutes, so if that was possible in the early 80's i'm sure with the wealth of information out now, it wouldn't be too difficult >

Tyson -- one more question on the Jan13 NorCal: what is the current schedule of events? Part of the website says things start at 11, part says that things start at 10. I'm guessing registration starts at 10, and competition starts at 11, but I thought I should check to make sure. Thanks! yeff

Registration starts at 10 AM, and the competition starts at 11 AM. But if you're there at 10 AM, we can start early and move the competition along. So show up at 10 AM! -Tyson On Jan 8, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Jeff Soesbe wrote: > Tyson -- > > one more question on the Jan13 NorCal: what is the current schedule of > events? > > Part of the website says things start at 11, part says that things > start at 10. > > I'm guessing registration starts at 10, and competition starts at 11, > but I thought I should check to make sure. > > Thanks! > > yeff > > >

I ordered about 120 cubes recently to sell at the exploratorium. I opened a bunch to make some prizes for the competition and found that some of the cubes were very good in quality. If anyone is interested in purchasing a high quality cube, please contact me. -Tyson On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:49 PM, BCB wrote: > Dear all, > > i'm a newbie in this community. > I wanna ask u all, where can i get a good quality cube. > Because in my city (denpasar), there's no shops which sell a good > quality cube. > My cube sucks, i can't learn to be fast. > > sorry for my english. > > > regards > > frida > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hi :-) I find that this forum, although it is quite nice, is rather useless for *tracking* information. There is no categories or sticky topics or anything like that. Proper bulletin boards are much better in this respect. Though one can always search for topics (key words) in this forum, the search is painfully slow and will only search a number of posts backwards in time at a time. If someone wants a nice project, make some software that reads all posts in this group and makes a proper fast searchable index. Hint: all urls for posts are very similar. Just make the software visit all the urls (posts) in a big loop, and with some error handling for missing posts. Stefan, are u up to this challenge as well ?? There's many many programmers on this forum ... Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > I ordered about 120 cubes recently to sell at the exploratorium. I > opened a bunch to make some prizes for the competition and found that > some of the cubes were very good in quality. If anyone is interested > in purchasing a high quality cube, please contact me. > > -Tyson > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:49 PM, BCB wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > i'm a newbie in this community. > > I wanna ask u all, where can i get a good quality cube. > > Because in my city (denpasar), there's no shops which sell a good > > quality cube. > > My cube sucks, i can't learn to be fast. > > > > sorry for my english. > > > > > > regards > > > > frida > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >

Per, when was the last time you actually tried the search function here? It has ween working fast and complete and correct (as far as I can tell, don't get truckloads of annoying false positives/negatives anymore) for a while now. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > I find that this forum, although it is quite nice, is rather useless > for *tracking* information. There is no categories or sticky topics > or anything like that. Proper bulletin boards are much better in this > respect. Though one can always search for topics (key words) in this > forum, the search is painfully slow and will only search a number of > posts backwards in time at a time. > > If someone wants a nice project, make some software that reads all > posts in this group and makes a proper fast searchable index. > Hint: all urls for posts are very similar. Just make the software > visit all the urls (posts) in a big loop, and with some error > handling for missing posts. Stefan, are u up to this challenge as > well ?? There's many many programmers on this forum ... > > Cheers! > > -Per

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:44, Gilles Roux wrote: > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > BTW, I'm convinced blind people could easily rule the field of > blindfolded cubing. That's because... ? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > I can take care of the OH records if you want ! :D > > No seriously, I knew he was fast but... > Well, I am glad I chose Korea as my destination for a 6-month study program. So you'll organize a mass order of those joy cubes for us? Cheers! Stefan

Ah ... ok ok ... Well, i probably haven't tried the search function for about 6 months or so, coz i found it rather useless actually. Glad to hear that it's working much better now :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > Per, when was the last time you actually tried the search function > here? It has ween working fast and complete and correct (as far as I > can tell, don't get truckloads of annoying false positives/negatives > anymore) for a while now. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > I find that this forum, although it is quite nice, is rather > useless > > for *tracking* information. There is no categories or sticky topics > > or anything like that. Proper bulletin boards are much better in > this > > respect. Though one can always search for topics (key words) in > this > > forum, the search is painfully slow and will only search a number > of > > posts backwards in time at a time. > > > > If someone wants a nice project, make some software that reads all > > posts in this group and makes a proper fast searchable index. > > Hint: all urls for posts are very similar. Just make the software > > visit all the urls (posts) in a big loop, and with some error > > handling for missing posts. Stefan, are u up to this challenge as > > well ?? There's many many programmers on this forum ... > > > > Cheers! > > > > -Per >

What do you mean by "joy cubes" ?? Do you mean translucid cubes ?? Gilles 2007/1/9, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > I can take care of the OH records if you want ! :D > > > > No seriously, I knew he was fast but... > > Well, I am glad I chose Korea as my destination for a 6-month study > program. > > So you'll organize a mass order of those joy cubes for us? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > What do you mean by "joy cubes" ?? > > Do you mean translucid cubes ?? Don't know exactly. But Yu Jeong-Min said: "yeah I use Joy cube, well.. I link site http://cubenjoy.com but you can't buy cube.. this site only Korea" And he said it feels and sounds different from DIY cubes (don't know which ones were meant). Cheers! Stefan

Hey everybody, I just came back from visiting Matt Walter in Canada. I will upload some pics and movies to my site, in the near future. I had a great time overthere. It was really cool to see where he lives, and to meet his family. When I was there, we found some cool new algs. Matt found a very interesting F2L alg (not shortcut, but an alg), and I was able to make an OLL alg, based on that alg: R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R It's very nice, especially if you do both U' with the left index. It's just 1 move more than the alg most ppl use. Then, in the airplane from Toronto to Chicago, I found that a modification of this alg leads to: R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R It's kinda long 19 moves, but it can be done fast, and might be usefull for BLD cubers. Well.. that's it.. cyou guys later! - Joël.

You should post this on twistypuzzles.com, too. I think many people there would be interested. - Johannes Laire --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, hippotizer <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Most of you have probably seen this already: > > http://www.instructables.com/id/E8WVOU65CCETOMLJQD/?ALLSTEPS > > and > > http://www.instructables.com/id/EPR5CLQ0CSEP287389/ > > I am thinking seriously about making this cubes, starting with a serie > of 100, and selling them for 80$/cube (exclusive shipping) through a > little internet shop. Making them cheaper is not an option, because > the material itself is not cheap and a lot of works needs to be done > just for one cube. Starting a whole serie requires some financial > investment, so I would like to pre-check the interest. Please answer > to this thread if you are interested, and let me know the following: > > 1) do you like "acrylic + colored stickers" OR "dotted dices"? > 2) if you choose "dotted dices", which color: red, blue, or green? >

Ok I guess it's this one (that's his site): http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/568 I don't understand the text but there are good pictures. The second picture is interesting. They mention the WCA on the box. Am I the only guy who wants a few of these? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > What do you mean by "joy cubes" ?? > > > > Do you mean translucid cubes ?? > > Don't know exactly. But Yu Jeong-Min said: > > "yeah I use Joy cube, well.. I link site http://cubenjoy.com but you > can't buy cube.. this site only Korea" > > And he said it feels and sounds different from DIY cubes (don't know > which ones were meant). > > Cheers! > Stefan >

sure i'll scan it for you tonite when i get home, its pretty cool, i actually have it hanging on my fridge, so some of you might have seen it when you were at my house :) d_funny007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: That's cool! I'd like to read that article. If you still have it (or someone else here as it), could you post a scan of it for us? -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > yes actually i read a nice article in the l.a. times from 81' about a blind girl that solved using norse's book. its no more difficult for them to learn, devices like opticons translate regular books, or even webpages into braille for the blind. she was under 3 minutes, so if that was possible in the early 80's i'm sure with the wealth of information out now, it wouldn't be too difficult > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

yeah per, why don't you code it, poor stefan just coded the wca site, have you no mercy? Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Per, when was the last time you actually tried the search function here? It has ween working fast and complete and correct (as far as I can tell, don't get truckloads of annoying false positives/negatives anymore) for a while now. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > I find that this forum, although it is quite nice, is rather useless > for *tracking* information. There is no categories or sticky topics > or anything like that. Proper bulletin boards are much better in this > respect. Though one can always search for topics (key words) in this > forum, the search is painfully slow and will only search a number of > posts backwards in time at a time. > > If someone wants a nice project, make some software that reads all > posts in this group and makes a proper fast searchable index. > Hint: all urls for posts are very similar. Just make the software > visit all the urls (posts) in a big loop, and with some error > handling for missing posts. Stefan, are u up to this challenge as > well ?? There's many many programmers on this forum ... > > Cheers! > > -Per __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i think so just because of raw practice time. if you are only able to practice bld cubing, i think you would get good at it and better than others pretty quick, we all have to divide our practice time into different things, where as they would just concentrate on that. Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:44, Gilles Roux wrote: > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would authorize > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > BTW, I'm convinced blind people could easily rule the field of > blindfolded cubing. That's because... ? Cheers! Stefan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Which is why I believe if Will Arnold put in time, he'd be the best foot-solver in the world. -Tyson On 1/9/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i think so just because of raw practice time. if you are only able to > practice bld cubing, i think you would get good at it and better than others > pretty quick, we all have to divide our practice time into different things, > where as they would just concentrate on that. > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@... <pochmann%40gmx.de>> wrote: --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Lars Petrus <lars@...> > wrote: > > > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:44, Gilles Roux wrote: > > > > > What would be great: Blind people in a competition. We would > authorize > > > textures for them, and they would compete with similar rules. > > > > BTW, I'm convinced blind people could easily rule the field of > > blindfolded cubing. > > That's because... ? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Stefan, I am very intrested in a few of those Joy cubes. I tried emailing the guy at the bottom of the page but the email won't go through for some reason. Let me know if you get anywhere, I will keep trying things as well. MATT ps. It's weird how the text on the box is in english..

If Rubik's made a 1x1x1 cube, I would buy one. -Tyson On 1/8/07, Jeff Soesbe <yeff@...> wrote: > > > Hmmm ... in response to Dan's joke :-) I just might to bring a couple > of stackmats, a bunch of scrambles, and run an informal 2x2x2 > competition on the side. > > Bring your 2x2x2 cubes folks, and we'll see what we can pull off! > > yeff > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Dan" > <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > > > I'll add this to my justification for not including the 2x2x2 in the > > combined rankings list... > > > > DanH :) > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Tyson Mao > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > > > We are not planning a 2x2x2 competition at this time. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm interested in buying a few. How much would they cost if I ordered, say, 3 to Atlanta? And where should I contact you? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > I ordered about 120 cubes recently to sell at the exploratorium. I > opened a bunch to make some prizes for the competition and found that > some of the cubes were very good in quality. If anyone is interested > in purchasing a high quality cube, please contact me. > > -Tyson > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 10:49 PM, BCB wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > i'm a newbie in this community. > > I wanna ask u all, where can i get a good quality cube. > > Because in my city (denpasar), there's no shops which sell a good > > quality cube. > > My cube sucks, i can't learn to be fast. > > > > sorry for my english. > > > > > > regards > > > > frida > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > >

No, you're not the only one...I'm also really interested on those cubes... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: Ok I guess it's this one (that's his site): http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/568 I don't understand the text but there are good pictures. The second picture is interesting. They mention the WCA on the box. Am I the only guy who wants a few of these? Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > What do you mean by "joy cubes" ?? > > > > Do you mean translucid cubes ?? > > Don't know exactly. But Yu Jeong-Min said: > > "yeah I use Joy cube, well.. I link site http://cubenjoy.com but you > can't buy cube.. this site only Korea" > > And he said it feels and sounds different from DIY cubes (don't know > which ones were meant). > > Cheers! > Stefan > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

eh > > If Rubik's made a 1x1x1 cube, I would buy one. > > -Tyson

If I made a 1x1x1 would you buy it? How much? ;-) -E On 1/9/07, Dan <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > eh > > > > > If Rubik's made a 1x1x1 cube, I would buy one. > > > > -Tyson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, I started a cube club at University of Arizona. I think it's cool that people are starting cube clubs in college. Some people at the UofA have potential, and one kid has the best cube I've ever seen, surprisingly. Peace, -Brent verymagicalguy <verymagicalguy@...> wrote: Hi all, This is Kevin Wu, I currently attend UCSD as a first year and have established a cube club here. If anyone at or around UCSD would like to attend our club meetings (on campus) to learn more about cubing, share your own knowledge, or just to meet new cubers, feel free to contact me. Kevin Wu :) --Brent __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Ok I guess it's this one (that's his site): > http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/568 It says: initially he thought the Joy cube cube was better, then he thought DIY was better, and now he's not sure. I will ask a friend to order some for me, and I will let you know if it helps me to solve the cube in 11 seconds :-) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I'm very new to the Rubik's world. I learned how to solve a 3x3x3 cube well with my eyes open and then I decided that I wanted to see if I could solve it blindfolded. I went to cubefreak.net to read up on tips/methods for solving the 3x3x3 cube blindfolded. I understand and can do the orientation but I don't understand the cycle method for premutation. Here is a quote from the site. Cycle Decomposition Algorithm 1. Locate the smallest number that has not been written (the first time this number is 1). a. If such number exists, write down "(" and then that number. b. If all numbers have been written, stop. 2. Find the last number that was written. Determine to which spot this corner needs to be moved. a. If the number of this spot has not been written, write it down and repeat step 2. b. If the number of this spot has been written, write ")" to end the cycle. Go to step 1. Could anyone explain that in different words? I Especially don't understand the part (1a) about if such number exists. What makes the number exist? Anyway, any help on rewording this so maybe some day I can solve a Rubik's cube blindfolded would be appriciated.

Nice algorithms! Thanks for posting. I don't use full Fridrich OLL, so the OLL algorithm is not too useful to me. However, the second algorithm is much faster and one turn shorter than the current algorithm I use to solve that position: R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R2 U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2 U2 I plan to start using your new algorithm for this position. Thanks again, Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: Joël van Noort To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] New OLL alg? Hey everybody, I just came back from visiting Matt Walter in Canada. I will upload some pics and movies to my site, in the near future. I had a great time overthere. It was really cool to see where he lives, and to meet his family. When I was there, we found some cool new algs. Matt found a very interesting F2L alg (not shortcut, but an alg), and I was able to make an OLL alg, based on that alg: R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R It's very nice, especially if you do both U' with the left index. It's just 1 move more than the alg most ppl use. Then, in the airplane from Toronto to Chicago, I found that a modification of this alg leads to: R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R It's kinda long 19 moves, but it can be done fast, and might be usefull for BLD cubers. Well.. that's it.. cyou guys later! - Joël. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think that the wording is not very good. It is perhaps geared towards math-minded individuals, although I think that even the math community is shifting away from such atrocious wordings these days... So first I'm going to apply this to EDGES. You have some sort of "canonical" numbering (or more precisely, ordering) that you should pre-determine for yourself. You can go with Macky's numbering although I have a hunch that not even he would recommend it for everybody. Bascially you assign the numbers 1 though 12 to the edge pieces. For myself I chose the ordering 1|->UF, 2|->uL, 3|->UB, 4|->UR, 5|- >DB, ...blah blah..., 12|->FR, and it really doesn't matter as long as you are very familiar with it. So his instructions assume that you have this list of numbers 1,...,12 on a piece of paper and are in a process of crossing them off (but of course this is really an abstract process to be done mentally). 1a) is to locate the smallest number on this "list" that has not yet been crossed off. The first time though the instructions none of the 12 numbers will be crossed off, and thus the number you pick will be 1. You write down (or do so mentally): "(1 " for step 1a). 1b) says that if all the numbers have been crossed off the "list" than stop. It is essentially a "terminating condition/case" in a recursively-defined algorithm. (It's so obvious to math ppl... but useless for non-math ppl to state things this way, since you won't automatically see it for what it really is: a recursive procedure similar to that studied in computer science.) The reason 1b) is written there is so that the task does not go on indefinately... (the last step is to go back to step 1) I think you should try to figure out the rest of it yourself. Another thing to notice is that you don't have to assign the numbers 1,...,12 to the edges. It could very well be A,...,L or you could "name" a particular edge "Platapus" and another one "Elaphant" or something. Whatever makes sence to you. I apply chinese numbers for the edges and english numbers for the corners.... It's all up to you. I posted a BLD program in the files secion a long time ago that you might find helpful. Better yet, I'm going to write up an example using my program's output if I can find it. This post, however, is getting too long. -Doug > Could anyone explain that in different words? I Especially don't > understand the part (1a) about if such number exists. What makes the > number exist? Anyway, any help on rewording this so maybe some day I > can solve a Rubik's cube blindfolded would be appriciated. >

(post cont./don't think of this as a double post) I'm going to give an example of how to do this. I think it's more effective than explaining it. Just grab a cube and follow along. Given this numbering (my numbering is quite non-standard I might add): UFL 1 UBL 2 UBR 3 UFR 4 DBL 5 DFL 6 DFR 7 DBR 8 UF 1 UL 2 UB 3 UR 4 DB 5 DL 6 DF 7 DR 8 FL 9 BL 10 BR 11 FR 12 And the scramble: B2 L' F U F B L' F L D2 U2 R D' R' U2 L' R B' L B2 D2 B2 L D R' I would write this down: CO: 2121 1011 EO: 0011 1111 0110 CP: (1 3 6 2 8)(4 7 5) EP: (1 11 6 5 2 9 8)(4 10)(7 12) Other exmaples: Scramble: D R' B' R B2 R' L' D U2 B F2 D B U L R U2 L' U' B F L R2 B2 F' Length: 25 CO: 2210 1021 EO: 0011 0101 1100 CP: (2 8 3 7 6 5) EP: (2 3 5 12 7 9 4 6 10 11) Scramble: U F R' U' B' R' L2 F L2 B L' R2 U' R2 D L2 D L F L2 D2 B2 F' R F2 Length: 25 CO: 0021 0012 EO: 1000 0111 1111 CP: (1 8 3 7 2 5 4) EP: (1 5 3)(4 9 6 10 8) Scramble: R' D U F2 R' F B2 D2 L U' R B U2 R2 U' L2 D2 B' U L F' R2 B L' D' Length: 25 CO: 1210 2102 EO: 1100 1010 0011 CP: (1 7 3 4)(2 8 6) EP: (1 3 9 8 12 10 2 4 7)(5 11) Scramble: L2 R F D2 B' L2 U' D' F2 B L2 D' B' F' D' R' D' R' B D2 U F R2 L2 B Length: 25 CO: 0212 2212 EO: 0000 0100 0001 CP: (1 8 3 4 7 6) EP: (1 2 10 5 9)(3 6 8 11 4 7) Scramble: R' B F2 R' U2 D2 R L U' L' R U R' F R' B2 U' F D U' F' R2 F2 B' R' Length: 25 CO: 0021 2001 EO: 0000 1111 1111 CP: (1 6)(2 5 3 4)(7 8) EP: (1 11 10 6 5 9 7 3 12 8) Scramble: L B F L' U R' D' B R2 D L F D' U' B' D2 U' B' U2 B2 L B U2 R2 B' Length: 25 CO: 0110 2122 EO: 1111 0111 1011 CP: (2 8 7)(4 6) EP: (2 10 5 4 3 6 12 8)(7 11 9) Scramble: U L2 R' F2 B D R B' L F' L R' B L D L2 F B2 D' B' U2 F L D' B2 Length: 25 CO: 2200 2201 EO: 0001 0101 1110 CP: (1 4 5 6 7)(3 8) EP: (1 12 11 10)(3 6 4)(5 7)(8 9) Scramble: B2 U' D F L2 R2 U B' L2 B2 R L F2 U' R2 F R2 B F2 L2 D2 U' F U' L' Length: 25 CO: 2021 1012 EO: 1011 1000 0101 CP: (1 6 4 3 5 8 7) EP: (1 3 4 10 12 8 2 9 11 6 5) Scramble: B2 F' D B D' F2 U B' U2 R D2 L2 U' D2 F2 R' D' R F U B' F' D R2 D2 Length: 25 CO: 0122 0100 EO: 0101 1101 0010 CP: (1 4 8 6)(2 5 7 3) EP: (1 12 4 3 7 10 6)(2 11 8 9 5) Scramble: F U L2 D B R B2 F' R2 F2 B' D L B' L2 D' U' L' D R D' R' B F2 R2 Length: 25 CO: 0221 0211 EO: 0011 0010 0111 CP: (1 8 4)(2 3)(5 7) EP: (1 3 7 2)(4 12 11 5 9)(8 10) Scramble: D2 L R U F2 U F2 L F D2 F' B' U D2 R2 B2 L U F2 D L D F U2 R2 Length: 25 CO: 1221 1101 EO: 1000 1000 1111 CP: (2 8 6 4 3 7) EP: (1 7 12 6 9)(2 3 10 8)(4 5 11)

On Jan 9, 2007, at 21:50, dentalcannon wrote: > a. If such number exists, write down "(" and then that number. All that says is that if you're out of numbers, don't write any more. - - - - - - - - - - - - Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Yes, this is half a second faster (15%) than my current BLD alg. Thanks a lot, Joel! Leyan On 1/9/07, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Nice algorithms! Thanks for posting. I don't use full Fridrich OLL, so the OLL algorithm is not too useful to me. > > However, the second algorithm is much faster and one turn shorter than the current algorithm I use to solve that position: > > R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R2 U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2 U2 > > I plan to start using your new algorithm for this position. > > Thanks again, > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joël van Noort > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:16 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] New OLL alg? > > Hey everybody, > > I just came back from visiting Matt Walter in Canada. I will upload > some pics and movies to my site, in the near future. I had a great > time overthere. It was really cool to see where he lives, and to > meet his family. When I was there, we found some cool new algs. Matt > found a very interesting F2L alg (not shortcut, but an alg), and I > was able to make an OLL alg, based on that alg: > > R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R > > It's very nice, especially if you do both U' with the left index. > It's just 1 move more than the alg most ppl use. Then, in the > airplane from Toronto to Chicago, I found that a modification of > this alg leads to: > > R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R > > It's kinda long 19 moves, but it can be done fast, and might be > usefull for BLD cubers. > > Well.. that's it.. cyou guys later! > > - Joël.

Hi :-) Why not just use ACube's ordering? Both for edges and corners. That way the ordering is sorta standardised. Theoretically there's no special benefit to any particular ordering, since a scramble permutes the cubies (hopefully) randomly. Just my idea anyway ... -PK > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I think that the wording is not very good. It is perhaps geared > towards math-minded individuals, although I think that even the math > community is shifting away from such atrocious wordings these days... > > So first I'm going to apply this to EDGES. You have some sort > of "canonical" numbering (or more precisely, ordering) that you should > pre-determine for yourself. You can go with Macky's numbering although > I have a hunch that not even he would recommend it for everybody. > > Bascially you assign the numbers 1 though 12 to the edge pieces. > > For myself I chose the ordering 1|->UF, 2|->uL, 3|->UB, 4|->UR, 5|- > >DB, ...blah blah..., 12|->FR, and it really doesn't matter as long as > you are very familiar with it. > > So his instructions assume that you have this list of numbers 1,...,12 > on a piece of paper and are in a process of crossing them off (but of > course this is really an abstract process to be done mentally). > > 1a) is to locate the smallest number on this "list" that has not yet > been crossed off. The first time though the instructions none of the > 12 numbers will be crossed off, and thus the number you pick will be 1. > > You write down (or do so mentally): "(1 " for step 1a). > > 1b) says that if all the numbers have been crossed off the "list" than > stop. It is essentially a "terminating condition/case" in a > recursively-defined algorithm. (It's so obvious to math ppl... but > useless for non-math ppl to state things this way, since you won't > automatically see it for what it really is: a recursive procedure > similar to that studied in computer science.) > > The reason 1b) is written there is so that the task does not go on > indefinately... (the last step is to go back to step 1) > > I think you should try to figure out the rest of it yourself. Another > thing to notice is that you don't have to assign the numbers 1,...,12 > to the edges. It could very well be A,...,L or you could "name" a > particular edge "Platapus" and another one "Elaphant" or something. > Whatever makes sence to you. I apply chinese numbers for the edges and > english numbers for the corners.... It's all up to you. > > I posted a BLD program in the files secion a long time ago that you > might find helpful. Better yet, I'm going to write up an example using > my program's output if I can find it. This post, however, is getting > too long. > > > -Doug > > > > > Could anyone explain that in different words? I Especially don't > > understand the part (1a) about if such number exists. What makes > the > > number exist? Anyway, any help on rewording this so maybe some day > I > > can solve a Rubik's cube blindfolded would be appriciated. > > >

Geez... after seeing his 11.76 in the second round his 13.40 in the final looks *slow*. I can't help it. My unconscious keeps telling me it's slow. Weird. Cheers! Stefan

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200701/kt2007010921303652910.htm "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " Mhh... Interesting... Gilles. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, Actually, on the subject of cube clubs, I've been wanting to get a cube club started here at the University of Texas at Austin. There's a bunch of people who know how to cube, and I've been wanting to somehow organize all of them. I'm curious as to what you guys do during meetings and how the club is run. I attempted starting one in high school, but our principal shut it down (apparently solving Rubik's cubes aren't "academic"). But even then, I wasn't really sure how to set up the meetings. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. -Sapan Upadhyay On 1/9/07, Brent Morgan <brentmorganmaster@...> wrote: > > Hi, > I started a cube club at University of Arizona. I think it's cool that > people are starting cube clubs in college. Some people at the UofA have > potential, and one kid has the best cube I've ever seen, surprisingly. > Peace, > -Brent > > verymagicalguy <verymagicalguy@... <verymagicalguy%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: Hi all, > > This is Kevin Wu, I currently attend UCSD as a first year and have > established a cube club here. If anyone at or around UCSD would like > to attend our club meetings (on campus) to learn more about cubing, > share your own knowledge, or just to meet new cubers, feel free to > contact me. > > Kevin Wu > > > > > > :) > --Brent > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > -- -cubekid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Umm ... Does that mean fewest moves solving? Current OWR is 28 turns shared by Zbigniew Zborowski and Mirek Goljan. Or is he talking about a more turn- efficient speedsolving method ??? -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200701/kt2007010921303652910.htm > > "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube > is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " > > Mhh... Interesting... > > Gilles. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Well, at least he doesn't do BLD cubing...does he? Pedro Gilles Roux <grrroux@...> escreveu: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200701/kt2007010921303652910.htm "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " Mhh... Interesting... Gilles. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think he wants to set the FM record too :D I think he just wants to be sub20. So it means a lot of problems for you FM solvers. :D Gilles 2007/1/10, Pedro <pedrosino1@...>: > > Well, at least he doesn't do BLD cubing...does he? > > Pedro > > Gilles Roux <grrroux@... <grrroux%40free.fr>> escreveu: > http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200701/kt2007010921303652910.htm > > "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube > is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " > > Mhh... Interesting... > > Gilles. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I tried the one that Won-Bang Cho uses at UK Open. It is really nice indeed. I hope all of them are like that. :-) Gilles PS : http://cubenjoy.com/front/php/product.php?product_no=112&main_cate_no=1&display_group=3 That's the cube that most Korean Cubers use from what Cho told me. 2007/1/10, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > Geez... after seeing his 11.76 in the second round his 13.40 in the > final looks *slow*. I can't help it. My unconscious keeps telling me > it's slow. Weird. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

We're all going to get jeonged! -Tyson On Jan 10, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > I think he wants to set the FM record too :D > > I think he just wants to be sub20. So it means a lot of problems for > you FM > solvers. :D > > Gilles > > 2007/1/10, Pedro <pedrosino1@yahoo.com.br>: > > > > Well, at least he doesn't do BLD cubing...does he? > > > > Pedro > > > > Gilles Roux <grrroux@... <grrroux%40free.fr>> escreveu: > > > http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/nation/200701/ > kt2007010921303652910.htm > > > > "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube > > is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest > path. " > > > > Mhh... Interesting... > > > > Gilles. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > http://cubenjoy.com/front/php/ product.php?product_no=112&main_cate_no=1&display_group=3 > That's the cube that most Korean Cubers use from what Cho told me. If that's true then we have a problem. No, actually *they* have a problem. I'm certain these cubes are not allowed in WCA competitions. Cheers! Stefan

Cho just told me that they were actually not allowed in official competition since you can see the B sticker of the UB face if you focus a little. So in competition they just use the same brand but with non translucid cubes. Sorry for the confusion. Gilles 2007/1/10, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > http://cubenjoy.com/front/php/ > product.php?product_no=112&main_cate_no=1&display_group=3 > > That's the cube that most Korean Cubers use from what Cho told me. > > If that's true then we have a problem. No, actually *they* have a > problem. I'm certain these cubes are not allowed in WCA competitions. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah, that alg is really good I'll use it from now on Pedro Leyan Lo <leyanlo@...> escreveu: Yes, this is half a second faster (15%) than my current BLD alg. Thanks a lot, Joel! Leyan On 1/9/07, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Nice algorithms! Thanks for posting. I don't use full Fridrich OLL, so the OLL algorithm is not too useful to me. > > However, the second algorithm is much faster and one turn shorter than the current algorithm I use to solve that position: > > R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R2 U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2 U2 > > I plan to start using your new algorithm for this position. > > Thanks again, > Anthony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joël van Noort > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 10:16 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] New OLL alg? > > Hey everybody, > > I just came back from visiting Matt Walter in Canada. I will upload > some pics and movies to my site, in the near future. I had a great > time overthere. It was really cool to see where he lives, and to > meet his family. When I was there, we found some cool new algs. Matt > found a very interesting F2L alg (not shortcut, but an alg), and I > was able to make an OLL alg, based on that alg: > > R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R > > It's very nice, especially if you do both U' with the left index. > It's just 1 move more than the alg most ppl use. Then, in the > airplane from Toronto to Chicago, I found that a modification of > this alg leads to: > > R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R > > It's kinda long 19 moves, but it can be done fast, and might be > usefull for BLD cubers. > > Well.. that's it.. cyou guys later! > > - Joël. __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey! Try this conjugate instead: F U (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U' F' (=F U R' F R F' R U' R' F') - 2 moves cancel out! -Per PS! Also contrast F U (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U' F' with following: R U' B2 D B' U2 B D' B2 U R' U2 ([R U' B2 D B',U2]) Only 2 corner orientations differ :-) -Per >--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hey everybody, > > I just came back from visiting Matt Walter in Canada. I will upload > some pics and movies to my site, in the near future. I had a great > time overthere. It was really cool to see where he lives, and to > meet his family. When I was there, we found some cool new algs. Matt > found a very interesting F2L alg (not shortcut, but an alg), and I > was able to make an OLL alg, based on that alg: > > R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R > > It's very nice, especially if you do both U' with the left index. > It's just 1 move more than the alg most ppl use. Then, in the > airplane from Toronto to Chicago, I found that a modification of > this alg leads to: > > R' U' (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) (R' F R F') (R U' R' U) U R > > It's kinda long 19 moves, but it can be done fast, and might be > usefull for BLD cubers. > > Well.. that's it.. cyou guys later! > > - Joël. >

... the subject pretty much says it all. It's been a while since we've heard anything new from them (other than the new videos). Anyone have any info? ~John H.~

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > ... the subject pretty much says it all. It's been a while since we've heard anything new from > them (other than the new videos). Anyone have any info? > > ~John H.~ > The last statement they made on twistypuzzles.com was that "the machines [6x6x6 and 7x7x7] will be in your hands lifetime..." Now that's a conservative estimate.

> > The last statement they made on twistypuzzles.com was that "the > machines [6x6x6 and 7x7x7] will be in your hands lifetime..." > I'm not sure that i even understand that statement. Oh well. It looks like they're doing amazing work. It'd be a shame to never see it publicly released.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Okay now I'm curious..., would you be willing to share your story of > how you cubes got stolen? > > Lucikly, this has never happend to me (well not that I know of and > certainly not to that extent). I usally lose a cube on the bus or > something. > > This might help other cubers in *not* getting their cubes stolen... > thus, you have something to contribute already :). > > Also, what methods do you use to be getting those ~45s times? > > > -Doug > Um, first off someone tell me if I'm using this forum incorrectly (like replying in the wrongarea or something) and um.... yeah, tell me. So I guess I really got worked up over nothing. In fact I awoke the very next day to a great suprise: the box tha twas sitting under the christmas tree had peen painted like a 3x3, and I was then allowed to open it only to find EVERY last cube I had ever lost. Ever. So I thought that was pretty cool. And most of them somehow wound up in my brother's room: he still won't let me teach him how to solve one, and he's determined to do it on his own (I suppose I really respect his wishes). My collection is now up to a whopping (for me at least)83 cubes, even if four of them are broken. Not as spectacular as it might seem however: 25 five of them are just simple generic cubes that I bought at a craft store for one dollar each. 1 $!!!!!! You just can't pass them up at that price! And as for the method I use, it is a creation of my own. I titled it The Stupid Method once I learned about other methods online... I'm so stupid sometimes. However I am forgoing(sp?) that method in favor of the faster, and and much more logical, Lars Petrus method: kudos to you. If I wasn't so sure you sold your soul to the devil to come up with that, I'd say you were God. I hope I didn't offend anyone, but if I did I guess you'll just have to suck it up. Alas my 15 minutes on this computer grows short, and I must bid you all a fond farewell. LOL.

By the way, in order to be allowed to do all 5 one-hand solves, your first two attempts must both be under 90 seconds. This restriction will be lifted if we have the time. -Tyson On Jan 6, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Tyson Mao wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > We are not planning a 2x2x2 competition at this time. > > Here is the following format for the events: > > 3x3x3 Speed Solve, 28 seconds will advance into the second round, and > a > certain number will advance to the final round. This number will be > either 8 or 12. I'm trying to gauge the competitiveness of the > competition. I think we could have 12 cubers all under 17 seconds for > an average. The level of competition in California is quite high. > > 3x3x3 One-Handed solve, 50 seconds will advance into the final round. > > 3x3x3 Blindfold Solve, essentially, you get about 12 minutes of stage > time. You may do three attempts if each attempt is under 4 minutes 30 > seconds. You may do two attempts if each attempt is under 6 minutes > and 30 seconds. Otherwise, you will get one attempt. > > 4x4x4 Speed Solve, everyone gets two attempts. If both attempts are > under 3 minutes, you finish the average of 5. > > 5x5x5 Speed Solve, everyone gets two attempts. If both attempts are > under 4 minutes 30 seconds, you finish the average of 5. > > -Tyson > > On Jan 6, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Jeff Soesbe wrote: > > > Tyson -- > > > > A couple more questions for the Jan 13 competition (that might be of > > general interest) > > > > - I just wanted to confirm that there will not be a 2x2x2 contest. > > > > - How will 4x4x4 and 5x5x5 contests be run? My suggestion would be > > to use the European style format: Everybody does 1 run, top 12 or 16 > > do a second run, top 6 or 8 finish out an average of 5. > > > > Mainly, just make sure everyone knows the format beforehand (and > > doesn't find out in the middle of a solve :-) > > > > I won't be making it into the second round on 3x or 3x-onehand, but > > I'll just shoot for as good an average as I can get (and thanks for > > having first round be an average). > > > > See everyone next week! > > > > yeff > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > So we will be doing the preliminary round to 3x3x3 speed solve and > > > one-handed speed solve. In order to qualify for the second round > > in speed > > > solve, you need to record an average of five under 28 seconds. For > > > one-handed speed solve, you need an average of 50 seconds. > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > On 12/25/06, azndlo15 <azndlo15@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Northern California Pre-Qualifying Round > > > > Date: Saturday, January 6, 2007 > > > > Time: 1 PM to 5 PM > > > > Location: Winnett Center, Caltech > > > > > > > >

Really good, i'm a school drop out to. There's hope for me. ----- Message d'origine ---- De : Gilles Roux <grrroux@...> À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Mercredi, 10 Janvier 2007, 13h55mn 59s Objet : [Speed cubing group] Article on Yu Jeong-Min http://times. hankooki. com/lpage/ nation/200701/ kt20070109213036 52910.htm "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " Mhh... Interesting. .. Gilles. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both; } #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px; font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; margin:0; } #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px; } #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both; margin:25px 0; white-space:nowrap; color:#666; text-align:right; } #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left; white-space:nowrap; } .bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana; font-size:77%; padding:15px 0; } #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana; font-size:77%; border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px; } #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px 8px; } #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%; font-family:Verdana; font-weight:bold; color:#333; text-transform:uppercase; } #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0; margin:2px 0; } #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none; clear:both; border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold; color:#ff7900; float:right; width:2em; text-align:right; padding-right:.5em; } #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold; } #ygrp-vital a { text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px; background-color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom:20px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px; margin:0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square; padding:6px 0; font-size:77%; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none; font-size:130%; } #ygrp-sponsor #nc { background-color:#eee; margin-bottom:20px; padding:0 8px; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial; font-weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-size:100%; line-height:122%; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline; } #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0; } o {font-size:0;} .MsoNormal { margin:0 0 0 0; } #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%; } blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} .replbq {margin:4;} --> ___________________________________________________________________________ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think the reason why Yu Jeong-Min is so much better than the rest of us is indirectly related to the fact that he's a high school drop out. I think that he simply has been dedicating time and has found a passion for the Rubik's Cube. Most of us here also have a passion for the Rubik's Cube, but we all have other responsibilities in life, whether it's school, a job, or family. Imagine what would be possible, if we were paid to practice speed cubing? If for some reason Rubik's Cube could become a profession like chess? Then I'd imagine we'd see more people at Yu Jeong-Min's level very soon. But for now, I'm sure if you were to put in as much time and dedication into Rubik's Cube as Yu Jeong-Min, we'll see some sub-12 second averages from you quite soon. -Tyson On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Tobias Daneels wrote: > Really good, i'm a school drop out to. > There's hope for me. > > ----- Message d'origine ---- > De : Gilles Roux <grrroux@free.fr> > À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Envoyé le : Mercredi, 10 Janvier 2007, 13h55mn 59s > Objet : [Speed cubing group] Article on Yu Jeong-Min > > http://times. hankooki. com/lpage/ nation/200701/ kt20070109213036 > 52910.htm > > "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube > > is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " > > Mhh... Interesting. .. > > Gilles. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg > {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0; > } > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both; > } > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; > } > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both; > margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; > color:#666; > text-align:right; > } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left; > white-space:nowrap; > } > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > padding:15px 0; > } > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana; > font-size:77%; > border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px; > } > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > } > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%; > font-family:Verdana; > font-weight:bold; > color:#333; > text-transform:uppercase; > } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > margin:2px 0; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; > float:right; > width:2em; > text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold; > } > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none; > } > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; > padding:6px 0; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none; > font-size:130%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:0 8px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; > font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; > font-size:100%; > line-height:122%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0; > } > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0; > } > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; > } > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos > questions ! > Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des > internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I was thinking the same thing about being paid to practice...haha...that would be really cool "a high school drop out" means that he went away from school, right? oh...that way things get a lot easier Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: I think the reason why Yu Jeong-Min is so much better than the rest of us is indirectly related to the fact that he's a high school drop out. I think that he simply has been dedicating time and has found a passion for the Rubik's Cube. Most of us here also have a passion for the Rubik's Cube, but we all have other responsibilities in life, whether it's school, a job, or family. Imagine what would be possible, if we were paid to practice speed cubing? If for some reason Rubik's Cube could become a profession like chess? Then I'd imagine we'd see more people at Yu Jeong-Min's level very soon. But for now, I'm sure if you were to put in as much time and dedication into Rubik's Cube as Yu Jeong-Min, we'll see some sub-12 second averages from you quite soon. -Tyson On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Tobias Daneels wrote: > Really good, i'm a school drop out to. > There's hope for me. > > ----- Message d'origine ---- > De : Gilles Roux <grrroux@...> > À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Envoyé le : Mercredi, 10 Janvier 2007, 13h55mn 59s > Objet : [Speed cubing group] Article on Yu Jeong-Min > > http://times. hankooki. com/lpage/ nation/200701/ kt20070109213036 > 52910.htm > > "The record-setter said his next goal in the world of Rubik's Cube > > is to break the record of solving the puzzle with the shortest path. " > > Mhh... Interesting. .. > > Gilles. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg > {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0; > } > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both; > } > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; > } > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both; > margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; > color:#666; > text-align:right; > } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left; > white-space:nowrap; > } > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > padding:15px 0; > } > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana; > font-size:77%; > border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px; > } > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > } > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%; > font-family:Verdana; > font-weight:bold; > color:#333; > text-transform:uppercase; > } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > margin:2px 0; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; > float:right; > width:2em; > text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold; > } > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none; > } > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; > padding:6px 0; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none; > font-size:130%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:0 8px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; > font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; > font-size:100%; > line-height:122%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0; > } > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0; > } > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; > } > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos > questions ! > Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des > internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses > http://fr.answers.yahoo.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The advice I give to people who ask how to get real fast is to have no job, no school, no friends, and not watch TV. I credit my jobless summer of 1981 when I cubed for 10 hours a day for 3 months with getting me up to speed in a real way. If this became a professional sport where you could make millions, you would see people being selected from a much bigger talent pool, practicing full time for years, starting at age 5-8, with coaches and nutritional aid as well as illegal drugs, and the records we consider extremely impressive today would be blown away many times over. Yes, my morning coffee *is* extra strong today. On Jan 11, 2007, at 5:54, Tyson Mao wrote: > I think the reason why Yu Jeong-Min is so much better than the rest of > us is indirectly related to the fact that he's a high school drop out. > I think that he simply has been dedicating time and has found a > passion > for the Rubik's Cube. Most of us here also have a passion for the > Rubik's Cube, but we all have other responsibilities in life, whether > it's school, a job, or family. > > Imagine what would be possible, if we were paid to practice speed > cubing? If for some reason Rubik's Cube could become a profession > like > chess? Then I'd imagine we'd see more people at Yu Jeong-Min's level > very soon. But for now, I'm sure if you were to put in as much time > and dedication into Rubik's Cube as Yu Jeong-Min, we'll see some > sub-12 > second averages from you quite soon. > > -Tyson

I heard from a lot of people who said that studio cubes were the best, but they have flat centers. Are they still good for speedcubing?

Rubik's studio cubes are probably the worst speedcubes. I love the generic ones you can get at Toys R Us... they work extremely well --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "baller1177" <baller17@...> wrote: > > I heard from a lot of people who said that studio cubes were the best, > but they have flat centers. Are they still good for speedcubing? >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "goodxy2002" <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > Rubik's studio cubes are probably the worst speedcubes. At least you do acknowledge they're speedcubes... > I love the generic ones you can get > at Toys R Us... they work extremely well All of them? Cheers! Stefan

I think so... I think the new 2006/2007 cubes are all consistently good. -Tyson On 1/11/07, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "goodxy2002" <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > > > Rubik's studio cubes are probably the worst speedcubes. > > At least you do acknowledge they're speedcubes... > > > I love the generic ones you can get > > at Toys R Us... they work extremely well > > All of them? > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > I love the generic ones you can get > > at Toys R Us... they work extremely well > > All of them? I bought a generic one in june 2003, and it was my best(*) cube for 3 years before becoming definitely loose. I bought another one 2 weeks ago that looks just perfect(*). Meanwhile, I tried to build good cubes from DIY kits, but I couldn't find the right balance. But you're right, all of the generic cubes can't be perfect, some may even be good for nothing. Open the box, and check it. Studio cubes or any other brand have never been better in the last years(*), but I'd like to try one of those motorized Korean cubes. :-) Gilles. (*) For me.

For sure if you had no job, no school, no friends etc. you would be fast. I know he is a drop out but look how fast he got in a little amount of time. If you look at people that have been cubing for a long time and have solved more cubes than him in his or her lifetime. Why aren't they as fast as him? Because they spent time developing methods, algorithms and programs. Now they (even I who have only been cubing for 3 years) would find it hard to break old habits. If you notice people are able to achieve sub 20 in no time now (under 8 months) because of all the help on the internet and lubing techniques etc. Ultimately the path to fast times is more direct than back in the day. Yu Jeong-Min may have just picked the right paths,methods and algorithms right from the begginning rather than developing bad habits and changing them later. I consider myself a very busy person, however I am still improving and will work to get as fast as him. Just a matter of time just like when Macky was miles ahead of everyone. MATT

I'd be excited if they made a rubik's cube that is electronic with LED's...that way you don't have to scramble it. Just plug it into your usb and download the scramble. Heck I bet you would never even need batteries is you have a tiny altenator in the cube. the speed that you spin the cube would for sure generator enough electricity! MATT

Thats a pretty cool idea. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "walter.matt" <walter.matt@...> wrote: > > I'd be excited if they made a rubik's cube that is electronic with > LED's...that way you don't have to scramble it. Just plug it into your > usb and download the scramble. Heck I bet you would never even need > batteries is you have a tiny altenator in the cube. the speed that you > spin the cube would for sure generator enough electricity! > > MATT >

Does anyone have a link to lars's .7 second sune video? I saw it awhile ago but havn't been able to find it again. Thanks.

The video is at the bottom of this page: http://lar5.com/cube/speed.html -Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: dentalcannon To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] .7 Second Sune Does anyone have a link to lars's .7 second sune video? I saw it awhile ago but havn't been able to find it again. Thanks. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What exactly is a sune? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > The video is at the bottom of this page: http://lar5.com/cube/speed.html > > -Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dentalcannon > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:47 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] .7 Second Sune > > > Does anyone have a link to lars's .7 second sune video? I saw it > awhile ago but havn't been able to find it again. Thanks. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

R U R' U R U2 R' --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > What exactly is a sune? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu > <erwaman@> wrote: > > > > The video is at the bottom of this page: > http://lar5.com/cube/speed.html > > > > -Anthony > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: dentalcannon > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:47 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] .7 Second Sune > > > > > > Does anyone have a link to lars's .7 second sune video? I saw it > > awhile ago but havn't been able to find it again. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Maybe you are being optimistic. You'd still need a rechargable battery inside, presumably Li-ion or even Li-polymer to meet the charge density requirements... The amount it can charge from the energy generated by your turning action is going to be proportional to how much drag/friction you want on it. I suspect that for this to work the cube isn't going feel rather "tight" unfortunately. If someone is willing to pay me $2800 for R&D, I can design something like that... I spent the last semester learning a lot about PCB design :), battery recharge circitry, and writting USB drivers. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "walter.matt" <walter.matt@...> wrote: > > I'd be excited if they made a rubik's cube that is electronic with > LED's...that way you don't have to scramble it. Just plug it into your > usb and download the scramble. Heck I bet you would never even need > batteries is you have a tiny altenator in the cube. the speed that you > spin the cube would for sure generator enough electricity! > > MATT >

That's true, I know I have lots of bad cubing habits I have yet to break. I have no job currently... let's see what effect this is going to have on my cube times. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "walter.matt" <walter.matt@...> wrote: > > For sure if you had no job, no school, no friends etc. you would be > fast. I know he is a drop out but look how fast he got in a little > amount of time. If you look at people that have been cubing for a > long time and have solved more cubes than him in his or her lifetime. > Why aren't they as fast as him? Because they spent time developing > methods, algorithms and programs. Now they (even I who have only > been cubing for 3 years) would find it hard to break old habits. > > If you notice people are able to achieve sub 20 in no time now > (under 8 months) because of all the help on the internet and lubing > techniques etc. Ultimately the path to fast times is more direct than > back in the day. Yu Jeong-Min may have just picked the right > paths,methods and algorithms right from the begginning rather than > developing bad habits and changing them later. > > I consider myself a very busy person, however I am still improving > and will work to get as fast as him. Just a matter of time just like > when Macky was miles ahead of everyone. > > > MATT >

More like: RUR'URU2R'(U2) actually, but I don't think it refers to that specifically. It can be mirrored in any way or done in a different gripping as well. The last U2 there is optional for positioning the corners to where they orignally where. Some cubers use it to refer to the inverse as well, but I tend to to call it's inverse the "anti-sune". Although usually refering to the specific algorithm, in more loose terminology it may be used to refer to a category of cases similar to what it solves for. I have been trying to coin the term "sune-ish" for a long time. It's an extremely useful algorithm for twisting corners, especially when you don't care about edge permutation. FOr beginners, it is quite powerful when composed with itself. It is established that it can be performed in under 0.7s. I can do its inverse in about 0.65s, takes a lot of practice though. -Doug --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" <logitewty@...> wrote: > R U R' U R U2 R'

I just found something about him : In his 3x3 OH unofficial record average of 30.88, he says "I Need New LL algos.". So according to this he changed some of his algorithms. But apparently he found some pretty good ones. :D Gilles 2007/1/12, d_funny007 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > That's true, I know I have lots of bad cubing habits I have yet to > break. I have no job currently... let's see what effect this is > going to have on my cube times. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "walter.matt" > <walter.matt@...> wrote: > > > > For sure if you had no job, no school, no friends etc. you would > be > > fast. I know he is a drop out but look how fast he got in a little > > amount of time. If you look at people that have been cubing for a > > long time and have solved more cubes than him in his or her > lifetime. > > Why aren't they as fast as him? Because they spent time developing > > methods, algorithms and programs. Now they (even I who have only > > been cubing for 3 years) would find it hard to break old habits. > > > > If you notice people are able to achieve sub 20 in no time now > > (under 8 months) because of all the help on the internet and > lubing > > techniques etc. Ultimately the path to fast times is more direct > than > > back in the day. Yu Jeong-Min may have just picked the right > > paths,methods and algorithms right from the begginning rather than > > developing bad habits and changing them later. > > > > I consider myself a very busy person, however I am still improving > > and will work to get as fast as him. Just a matter of time just > like > > when Macky was miles ahead of everyone. > > > > > > MATT > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I rather do the inverse R U2 R' U' R U' R' [U2], I think it's faster (dunno why) And I also prefer to use the left side so my absolute favorites are L' U2 L U L' U L [U2] and mirror case: L U2 L' U' L U' L' [U2] // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, d_funny007 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > More like: > RUR'URU2R'(U2) > actually, but I don't think it refers to that specifically. It can be > mirrored in any way or done in a different gripping as well. The last > U2 there is optional for positioning the corners to where they > orignally where. Some cubers use it to refer to the inverse as well, > but I tend to to call it's inverse the "anti-sune". > > Although usually refering to the specific algorithm, in more loose > terminology it may be used to refer to a category of cases similar to > what it solves for. I have been trying to coin the term "sune-ish" for > a long time. > > It's an extremely useful algorithm for twisting corners, especially > when you don't care about edge permutation. FOr beginners, it is quite > powerful when composed with itself. It is established that it can be > performed in under 0.7s. I can do its inverse in about 0.65s, takes a > lot of practice though. > > > -Doug > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Craig Bouchard" > <logitewty@> wrote: > > R U R' U R U2 R' >

I always tend to cringe at the kind of logic that states that one's ability derives from the fact that they do nothing else in their life. All we know is that he dropped out of high school, but this can only provide so much evidence. We don't know how much time he *actually* spends practicing or doing other hobbies. Others can generate their own algorithms and still be fast without the help of standard-use internet algorithms. It's really all about how strong your motivation is and how focused and dedicated you are to improving your muscle memory in an active manner. By saying "it's only because he isn't in school," it's indirectly discrediting his speed and making it sound like he didn't accomplish anything special. It's always possible that he is just good at the Cube and would still be good even if he were enrolled in school. Sure, you have more time when not in school, but the article said he does a fair share of his cubing at night anyway (correct me if I am wrong). I bring this up because I personally hate it when people discredit my own abilities as something anyone could do given that they do nothing else in life. "Oh you got what score on this? Yeah well you probably spent your life studying" or "Yeah I could kick your ass at this sport too if I had no life." Just because someone hasn't experienced a certain degree of improvement in a certain time threshold doesn't make accomplishments any less impressive. "Oh I could get a 4.0 GPA too if I really wanted to." Whatever -- there's no point in being bitter just because you haven't experienced something before, especially if it is something that you can actually strive to achieve. If you want to achieve something you have to put in the effort and brains, simple as that. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I saw a lot of whining in response to that article. Sometimes people are naturally gifted at certain things. I'd be more interested in looking into his approaches. Do you really think time is the sole factor of improvement? Not so much. Does practicing the execution of a Sune 50,000 times make you inherently faster than someone who executes a Sune 5,000 times? Probably little correlation by that variable alone. The people who are fast are the ones that actively try to gain speed as they cube, and use their mind and muscle to put it all together. Effort and repetition yields results with far less iterations compared to a much greater number of iterations where the effort involved is far smaller in magnitude. If anyone disagrees with this notion, please tell me your thoughts. I just tend to view the "he's good because he does nothing else" logic as bitter/whiny/jealous. You can be that fast too if you really wanted to. 10 seconds is by no means the fastest approachable barrier. Just because you haven't seen it done before doesn't make it any less possible, but you can surely extrapolate what you know you can do and to what extent improvements can be made. And, given improvements in techniques and active focus in practice, the goal becomes ever so closer. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "walter.matt" <walter.matt@...> wrote: > > For sure if you had no job, no school, no friends etc. you would be > fast. I know he is a drop out but look how fast he got in a little > amount of time. If you look at people that have been cubing for a > long time and have solved more cubes than him in his or her lifetime. > Why aren't they as fast as him? Because they spent time developing > methods, algorithms and programs. Now they (even I who have only > been cubing for 3 years) would find it hard to break old habits. > > If you notice people are able to achieve sub 20 in no time now > (under 8 months) because of all the help on the internet and lubing > techniques etc. Ultimately the path to fast times is more direct than > back in the day. Yu Jeong-Min may have just picked the right > paths,methods and algorithms right from the begginning rather than > developing bad habits and changing them later. > > I consider myself a very busy person, however I am still improving > and will work to get as fast as him. Just a matter of time just like > when Macky was miles ahead of everyone. > > > MATT >

Well, i was lubing my cube with a silicone spray and at first it didnt work on a cube so i didnt use it for a while and I got a new cube. time pssed by and the new cube was starting to get stiff so i decided to take another stab at using the spray. At first i sprayed it (maybe i put too much) and it began to get stiff again. Interestingly, i wanted to take of the silicone so i added water a few minutes after lubrication and the cube worked amazing when the faces were turned normally, but were sttterish when i went really slowly. So i tried it again and it worked! It's amazing and worked perfectly, so i showed my neighbour and he wanted his lubed up to. I tried the same thing on his cube and it actually became much stiffer! we tried again and it stayed stiffer. I'm not sure why this happened so i was jsut wondering if anyone else had a clue? Also when we used his cube and turned it at normal speed, it was stutterish, does anyone know what the cause of that is too? Btw, i used Motomaster silicone lubricant spray. Thanks for the help and sorry its so long.

I'm excited, Budapest. I don't think I will be able to go but crazy to think right where it started. Crossing my fingers and saving up cash. I bet a lot of cubers will show.

Hey people, just wondering if anyone knows where I could find a blindmans cube with the raised shapes, like the ones seen in Ton Dennonbroek's collection? I saw one on ebay last year but I was outbid. It seems they are a fairly rare and hard to get hold of. Cheers, Keith :-)

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "David" <skaterinpain57@...> wrote: > > I'm excited, Budapest. I don't think I will be able to go but crazy to > think right where it started. Crossing my fingers and saving up cash. > I bet a lot of cubers will show. > I've been planning on going since pretty much last worlds...its just a matter of convincing my parents. I'm not too worried about the cash...That can always be worked around, its the time off school...First Year University isn't good to miss, right around midterms... Craig

I'm not really sure about this but the name of your silicone sounds like it was made for auto parts. If it was, it might contain acetone. My friend used something like that and it worked beautifully on most cubes. The thing is, the plastic of the cube tends to stick together at first as if they were slightly melted. Not to worry, they're fine. Once we pulled them apart, it worked amazingly and lasted for quite awhile. I choose to use a more basic form of silicone. I disassemble the cube and spray the pieces with a nice coat. I then let it dry completely and put it back together and I tend to get nice results. This could take a few hours to a few days. Anyway, check your silicone to see what kind of chemicals are in it because the name keeps telling me it's for auto parts. Good Luck, Rory mt_highest <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well, i was lubing my cube with a silicone spray and at first it didnt work on a cube so i didnt use it for a while and I got a new cube. time pssed by and the new cube was starting to get stiff so i decided to take another stab at using the spray. At first i sprayed it (maybe i put too much) and it began to get stiff again. Interestingly, i wanted to take of the silicone so i added water a few minutes after lubrication and the cube worked amazing when the faces were turned normally, but were sttterish when i went really slowly. So i tried it again and it worked! It's amazing and worked perfectly, so i showed my neighbour and he wanted his lubed up to. I tried the same thing on his cube and it actually became much stiffer! we tried again and it stayed stiffer. I'm not sure why this happened so i was jsut wondering if anyone else had a clue? Also when we used his cube and turned it at normal speed, it was stutterish, does anyone know what the cause of that is too? Btw, i used Motomaster silicone lubricant spray. Thanks for the help and sorry its so long. --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi guys, WCA board is thinking of selecting a standard blindfold. We have some issues with the current blindfolds: 1) many different blindfolds are used, even several different ones in one competition 2) most blindfolds allow you to see through/underneath it (unintentionally or intentionally) 3) hygiene may be an issue, so it is better that each competitor can bring his own blindfold Does any of you have the perfect blindfold? Requirement is of course that it is not too expensive and generally available. Thanks and have fun, Ron

I think we need to look at other sports where blindfolds are used in their regulations. Something established... unlike blindfold chess which doesn't really have many regulations in place. The only way to really prevent people from seeing under the blindfold is to either periodically check during the solve, or use goggles. I'm not really keen on the idea of a wielder's mask. -Tyson On Jan 13, 2007, at 12:38 AM, Ron wrote: > Hi guys, > > WCA board is thinking of selecting a standard blindfold. > > We have some issues with the current blindfolds: > 1) many different blindfolds are used, even several different ones in > one competition > 2) most blindfolds allow you to see through/underneath it > (unintentionally or intentionally) > 3) hygiene may be an issue, so it is better that each competitor can > bring his own blindfold > > Does any of you have the perfect blindfold? > Requirement is of course that it is not too expensive and generally > available. > > Thanks and have fun, > > Ron > > >

How about some sort of set-up where the cube is masked from view, I can imagine some sort of box which has an open end facing the audience, and the competitor has to put his arms through some opaque cloth at his/her side of the box (much like someone working with dangerous chemicals puts his/her hands through holes into some gloves in a box) The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. Or some sort of screen, so the competitor puts his arms through some holes and the cube is the other side of the screen. I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially if the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and is perfectly opaque and tight etc. This would also make it fairer for people who wear glasses, because it takes a little longer to sort out the blindfold for them currently. Just a few thoughts for discussion DanH :)

What about the blindfolds that were by Grada Ooms for the Dutch Open ? I think they are great ! Comfortable and you definitely cannot see under.. Gilles 2007/1/13, Dan <dan_j_harris@...>: > > How about some sort of set-up where the cube is masked from view, I > can imagine some sort of box which has an open end facing the > audience, and the competitor has to put his arms through some opaque > cloth at his/her side of the box (much like someone working with > dangerous chemicals puts his/her hands through holes into some gloves > in a box) > > The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their > eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. > > Or some sort of screen, so the competitor puts his arms through some > holes and the cube is the other side of the screen. > > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially if > the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. > > So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and > execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed > unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the > blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and > is perfectly opaque and tight etc. This would also make it fairer for > people who wear glasses, because it takes a little longer to sort out > the blindfold for them currently. > > Just a few thoughts for discussion > > DanH :) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I realy liked Thomas Kohn's idea. He has made some swimming glasses all black so you can't see through or underneath it, it is 100% impossible to see something when wearing. You only have to check if you realy can't see through it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > What about the blindfolds that were by Grada Ooms for the Dutch Open ? > > I think they are great ! > Comfortable and you definitely cannot see under.. > > Gilles > > 2007/1/13, Dan <dan_j_harris@...>: > > > > How about some sort of set-up where the cube is masked from view, I > > can imagine some sort of box which has an open end facing the > > audience, and the competitor has to put his arms through some opaque > > cloth at his/her side of the box (much like someone working with > > dangerous chemicals puts his/her hands through holes into some gloves > > in a box) > > > > The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their > > eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. > > > > Or some sort of screen, so the competitor puts his arms through some > > holes and the cube is the other side of the screen. > > > > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially if > > the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. > > > > So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and > > execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed > > unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the > > blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and > > is perfectly opaque and tight etc. This would also make it fairer for > > people who wear glasses, because it takes a little longer to sort out > > the blindfold for them currently. > > > > Just a few thoughts for discussion > > > > DanH :) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

This is a difficult thing to do...some swimming glasses can be bad, as they compress your head/eyes, and that can take your concentration away... about what Dan suggested, i think is not that good...I mean, you have to memorise, stop the timer, then you put your hands/arms and the cube inside that "thing"...but...how will you start the timer on this part? and making all that movements can make you forget some of your memo... we could do as Tyson said, look for another sports that use blindfolds and see what they do...if it's good enough, we can use it Pedro megafrikkie <megafrikkie@...> escreveu: I realy liked Thomas Kohn's idea. He has made some swimming glasses all black so you can't see through or underneath it, it is 100% impossible to see something when wearing. You only have to check if you realy can't see through it. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > What about the blindfolds that were by Grada Ooms for the Dutch Open ? > > I think they are great ! > Comfortable and you definitely cannot see under.. > > Gilles > > 2007/1/13, Dan <dan_j_harris@...>: > > > > How about some sort of set-up where the cube is masked from view, I > > can imagine some sort of box which has an open end facing the > > audience, and the competitor has to put his arms through some opaque > > cloth at his/her side of the box (much like someone working with > > dangerous chemicals puts his/her hands through holes into some gloves > > in a box) > > > > The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their > > eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. > > > > Or some sort of screen, so the competitor puts his arms through some > > holes and the cube is the other side of the screen. > > > > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially if > > the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. > > > > So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and > > execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed > > unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the > > blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and > > is perfectly opaque and tight etc. This would also make it fairer for > > people who wear glasses, because it takes a little longer to sort out > > the blindfold for them currently. > > > > Just a few thoughts for discussion > > > > DanH :) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's why I don't wear glasses :-P My problem with the box is that it might make it quite awkward for some people. -Tyson On Jan 13, 2007, at 2:47 AM, Dan wrote: > How about some sort of set-up where the cube is masked from view, I > can imagine some sort of box which has an open end facing the > audience, and the competitor has to put his arms through some opaque > cloth at his/her side of the box (much like someone working with > dangerous chemicals puts his/her hands through holes into some gloves > in a box) > > The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their > eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. > > Or some sort of screen, so the competitor puts his arms through some > holes and the cube is the other side of the screen. > > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially if > the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. > > So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and > execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed > unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the > blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and > is perfectly opaque and tight etc. This would also make it fairer for > people who wear glasses, because it takes a little longer to sort out > the blindfold for them currently. > > Just a few thoughts for discussion > > DanH :) > >

Front page of yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Probably only last a few hours though... so check it out while you can. -Tyson

http://www.yahoo.com/s/482025 its actually a pretty good report on cubing. although i dont see how one handed is so impossible if you can comprehend two handed. and lol at "youve got to be kidding me" impossible. they even had the pop at the end =P but yea i like how tyson really got across how freakin amazing gungz is.

Didn't find anything...is it out already? Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: Front page of yahoo! http://www.yahoo.com/ Probably only last a few hours though... so check it out while you can. -Tyson __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

gone... what was it ? 2007/1/13, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...>: > > Front page of yahoo! > > http://www.yahoo.com/ > > Probably only last a few hours though... so check it out while you can. > > -Tyson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey people I'm not at home, so not at my usual computer... and I can't access www.speedcubing.com ...I tried on IE 6, IE 7, Firefox, Opera...but couldn't open it...it goes to a google search, simply says "page cannot be found", and that kind of things... anyone else facing the same problem? could it have something to do with the computer settings (that are probably different as I'm at my uncle's house)? can anyone help me, please? thanks and keep cubing...we gotta beat Gungz...lol Pedro __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am curious as to why it is so late, and not during the summer? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: David<mailto:skaterinpain57@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] World Champs o7 I'm excited, Budapest. I don't think I will be able to go but crazy to think right where it started. Crossing my fingers and saving up cash. I bet a lot of cubers will show. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Craig, I am pretty much in the same boat as you on this one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Bouchard<mailto:logitewty@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: World Champs o7 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "David" <skaterinpain57@...> wrote: > > I'm excited, Budapest. I don't think I will be able to go but crazy to > think right where it started. Crossing my fingers and saving up cash. > I bet a lot of cubers will show. > I've been planning on going since pretty much last worlds...its just a matter of convincing my parents. I'm not too worried about the cash...That can always be worked around, its the time off school...First Year University isn't good to miss, right around midterms... Craig [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would imagine a bunch of Americans+Canadians are. Including me. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > Craig, > I am pretty much in the same boat as you on this one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Bouchard<mailto:logitewty@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:46 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: World Champs o7 > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ yahoogroups.com>, "David" <skaterinpain57@> wrote: > > > > I'm excited, Budapest. I don't think I will be able to go but crazy to > > think right where it started. Crossing my fingers and saving up cash. > > I bet a lot of cubers will show. > > > > I've been planning on going since pretty much last worlds...its just a matter of convincing my > parents. I'm not too worried about the cash...That can always be worked around, its the time > off school...First Year University isn't good to miss, right around midterms... > > Craig > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

A while back I found this picture online, but I have never been able to track down the actual cube... If it does exist, does anybody know where this can be ordered? http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/cuavsfan/Rubik__s_Glass.jpg Thanks

My friend and I were talking about the mechanics of a rubik's cube, and i disassembled it to show him exactly what I was talking about. When I reassembled it, a question came to mind. What is the chance that a cube, reassembled in a random position, is solvable?? There are 43 quintillion possible combinations for a legal Rubik's cube, but how many illegal combinations are there? Miles

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > New Goals for this year: > Sub 9 single solve > Sub 18 single solve OH > Sub 10 average of 5 > Sub 20 average of 10 OH Are these your personal goals or are you trying to impose them on the community? Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > What about the blindfolds that were by Grada Ooms for the Dutch Open ? > > I think they are great ! > Comfortable and you definitely cannot see under.. Wrong. I could. Easily. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <dan_j_harris@...> wrote: > > The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their > eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. If I have my eyes open I can see signals of my assistent in the audience. > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially > if the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. I disagree. I envision something like this: http://www.leitermann-shop.de/WGROUP/1015786.htm I.e. something that's leakproof like swimming goggles and very easy to close for the solving part. > So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and > execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed > unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the > blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and > is perfectly opaque and tight etc. Any time above zero seconds can be used for rehearsal and thus should count. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Aragon" <CUAVSFAN@...> wrote: > > A while back I found this picture online, but I have never been able to > track down the actual cube... If it does exist, does anybody know where > this can be ordered? > > http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/cuavsfan/Rubik__s_Glass.jpg > > Thanks > Hey it looks like the glass picture is only for a regular pic otherwise i would have found it,but no it doesn't look like it has a price.

I believe those are his predictions for this year (2007) of the cubing community's results. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Yu Jeong Min's WR Record 11.76 avg of 5 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "Arnaud van Galen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > New Goals for this year: > Sub 9 single solve > Sub 18 single solve OH > Sub 10 average of 5 > Sub 20 average of 10 OH Are these your personal goals or are you trying to impose them on the community? Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially > > if the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. > >I disagree. I envision something like this: >http://www.leitermann-shop.de/WGROUP/1015786.htm<http://www.leitermann-shop.de/WGROUP/1015786.htm> > >I.e. something that's leakproof like swimming goggles and very easy >to close for the solving part. > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see underneath, and it is lightweight, and doesn't put stress on your head (could be adjustable if it did). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for the tip Rory, and I re checked my silicone and it is for car parts and household parts as well (i.e door hinges). The label doesn't say there's acetone in it, but it does say theres petroleum distillates, heptane, isobutane and propane. I never heard of any of these chemicals except for propane so I'm not sure of their reactions to plastic. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > I'm not really sure about this but the name of your silicone sounds like it was made for auto parts. If it was, it might contain acetone. My friend used something like that and it worked beautifully on most cubes. The thing is, the plastic of the cube tends to stick together at first as if they were slightly melted. Not to worry, they're fine. Once we pulled them apart, it worked amazingly and lasted for quite awhile. I choose to use a more basic form of silicone. I disassemble the cube and spray the pieces with a nice coat. I then let it dry completely and put it back together and I tend to get nice results. This could take a few hours to a few days. Anyway, check your silicone to see what kind of chemicals are in it because the name keeps telling me it's for auto parts. > > Good Luck, > > Rory > > mt_highest <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well, i was lubing my cube with a silicone spray and at first it > didnt work on a cube so i didnt use it for a while and I got a new > cube. time pssed by and the new cube was starting to get stiff so i > decided to take another stab at using the spray. At first i sprayed it > (maybe i put too much) and it began to get stiff again. Interestingly, > i wanted to take of the silicone so i added water a few minutes after > lubrication and the cube worked amazing when the faces were turned > normally, but were sttterish when i went really slowly. So i tried it > again and it worked! It's amazing and worked perfectly, so i showed my > neighbour and he wanted his lubed up to. > I tried the same thing on his cube and it actually became much > stiffer! we tried again and it stayed stiffer. I'm not sure why this > happened so i was jsut wondering if anyone else had a clue? Also when > we used his cube and turned it at normal speed, it was stutterish, > does anyone know what the cause of that is too? > Btw, i used Motomaster silicone lubricant spray. > > Thanks for the help and sorry its so long. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The chance that a randomly assembled cube is solvable is 1/12. This is because you can have even or odd edge orientation, permutation of cubies can be even or odd, and the overall orientation of the corners can be a whole number or +- 1/3. Altogether, you get a total probability of (1/2) x (1/2) x (1/3) = (1/12) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Yucht" <mgyucht@...> wrote: > > My friend and I were talking about the mechanics of a rubik's cube, and > i disassembled it to show him exactly what I was talking about. When I > reassembled it, a question came to mind. What is the chance that a > cube, reassembled in a random position, is solvable?? There are 43 > quintillion possible combinations for a legal Rubik's cube, but how > many illegal combinations are there? > > Miles >

it doesn't look real --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Paul" <doegio@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Nate Aragon" > <CUAVSFAN@> wrote: > > > > A while back I found this picture online, but I have never been able > to > > track down the actual cube... If it does exist, does anybody know > where > > this can be ordered? > > > > http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/cuavsfan/Rubik__s_Glass.jpg > > > > Thanks > > > Hey it looks like the glass picture is only for a regular pic > otherwise i would have found it,but no it doesn't look like it has a > price. >

Dan Dzoan broke the single solve one-handed world record at the CalTech tournament today. There were no skipped steps. 17.90! Ian

Wow, that 19 second WR didn't last long! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian<mailto:iwinoky@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] New One-Handed WR Dan Dzoan broke the single solve one-handed world record at the CalTech tournament today. There were no skipped steps. 17.90! Ian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Marcus, I couldn't agree with you more on this one, enough said. If it was that easy to do, it would have already been done over and over. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:51 AM Subject: Re: Re : [Speed cubing group] Article on Yu Jeong-Min I always tend to cringe at the kind of logic that states that one's ability derives from the fact that they do nothing else in their life. All we know is that he dropped out of high school, but this can only provide so much evidence. We don't know how much time he *actually* spends practicing or doing other hobbies. Others can generate their own algorithms and still be fast without the help of standard-use internet algorithms. It's really all about how strong your motivation is and how focused and dedicated you are to improving your muscle memory in an active manner. By saying "it's only because he isn't in school," it's indirectly discrediting his speed and making it sound like he didn't accomplish anything special. It's always possible that he is just good at the Cube and would still be good even if he were enrolled in school. Sure, you have more time when not in school, but the article said he does a fair share of his cubing at night anyway (correct me if I am wrong). I bring this up because I personally hate it when people discredit my own abilities as something anyone could do given that they do nothing else in life. "Oh you got what score on this? Yeah well you probably spent your life studying" or "Yeah I could kick your ass at this sport too if I had no life." Just because someone hasn't experienced a certain degree of improvement in a certain time threshold doesn't make accomplishments any less impressive. "Oh I could get a 4.0 GPA too if I really wanted to." Whatever -- there's no point in being bitter just because you haven't experienced something before, especially if it is something that you can actually strive to achieve. If you want to achieve something you have to put in the effort and brains, simple as that. I'll probably get flamed for this, but I saw a lot of whining in response to that article. Sometimes people are naturally gifted at certain things. I'd be more interested in looking into his approaches. Do you really think time is the sole factor of improvement? Not so much. Does practicing the execution of a Sune 50,000 times make you inherently faster than someone who executes a Sune 5,000 times? Probably little correlation by that variable alone. The people who are fast are the ones that actively try to gain speed as they cube, and use their mind and muscle to put it all together. Effort and repetition yields results with far less iterations compared to a much greater number of iterations where the effort involved is far smaller in magnitude. If anyone disagrees with this notion, please tell me your thoughts. I just tend to view the "he's good because he does nothing else" logic as bitter/whiny/jealous. You can be that fast too if you really wanted to. 10 seconds is by no means the fastest approachable barrier. Just because you haven't seen it done before doesn't make it any less possible, but you can surely extrapolate what you know you can do and to what extent improvements can be made. And, given improvements in techniques and active focus in practice, the goal becomes ever so closer. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "walter.matt" <walter.matt@...> wrote: > > For sure if you had no job, no school, no friends etc. you would be > fast. I know he is a drop out but look how fast he got in a little > amount of time. If you look at people that have been cubing for a > long time and have solved more cubes than him in his or her lifetime. > Why aren't they as fast as him? Because they spent time developing > methods, algorithms and programs. Now they (even I who have only > been cubing for 3 years) would find it hard to break old habits. > > If you notice people are able to achieve sub 20 in no time now > (under 8 months) because of all the help on the internet and lubing > techniques etc. Ultimately the path to fast times is more direct than > back in the day. Yu Jeong-Min may have just picked the right > paths,methods and algorithms right from the begginning rather than > developing bad habits and changing them later. > > I consider myself a very busy person, however I am still improving > and will work to get as fast as him. Just a matter of time just like > when Macky was miles ahead of everyone. > > > MATT > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If I am not mistaken, there was also a one-handed average World Record, also by Dan Dzoan. It was 21.xx, I don't remember exactly what. We'll see the official results soon enough. -Alexei Gousev

Yeah, I am pretty sure that this is a render, not a real cube. There seems to be nothing supporting the cube, it looks like it is standing on its own. The reflections and shadow seem unrealistic as well. Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > it doesn't look real > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Jerry Paul" > <doegio@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Nate Aragon" > > <CUAVSFAN@> wrote: > > > > > > A while back I found this picture online, but I have never been able > > to > > > track down the actual cube... If it does exist, does anybody know > > where > > > this can be ordered? > > > > > > http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/cuavsfan/Rubik__s_Glass.jpg > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Hey it looks like the glass picture is only for a regular pic > > otherwise i would have found it,but no it doesn't look like it has a > > price. > > >

Can we just get a blindfold that is longer than what is now typically used? Something that goes from your eyes, and pretty far down your nose, if not even farther. If you cover enough vertical distance on your face, it would be very difficult to see under the blindfold. -Alexei Gousev

I couldn't for the life of me get the address to work in Google Earth, but I believe I found the museum anyway. 47 degrees 30' 41.15 North 19 degrees 1' 30.81 East That should be it based on photos of the museum, and also that location is very close to the Moscow Square which is described on the page for the museum. I can't wait until October!!! Chris

Actually for some reason those coordinates aren't quite right. This is better for the input field in Google Earth 47 30.72 N, 19 1.50 E Alright, yeah I'm a nerd lol. I just wanted to see the place :-D Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I couldn't for the life of me get the address to work in Google Earth, > but I believe I found the museum anyway. > > 47 degrees 30' 41.15 North > 19 degrees 1' 30.81 East > > That should be it based on photos of the museum, and also that > location is very close to the Moscow Square which is described on the > page for the museum. > > I can't wait until October!!! > > Chris >

21.46 average I believe 20.32, 20.xx, 23.xx --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "agousev" <agousev@...> wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, there was also a one-handed average World > Record, also by Dan Dzoan. It was 21.xx, I don't remember exactly > what. We'll see the official results soon enough. > > -Alexei Gousev >

Yeah. It's probably okay to use as it sounds like it did wonders on your cube. It might not work on all cubes though as your friend's proved. If the lube gives you problems on any other cubes, I would see what other lubes are available. Otherwise I'd just be careful. Enjoy! Rory mt_highest <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks for the tip Rory, and I re checked my silicone and it is for car parts and household parts as well (i.e door hinges). The label doesn't say there's acetone in it, but it does say theres petroleum distillates, heptane, isobutane and propane. I never heard of any of these chemicals except for propane so I'm not sure of their reactions to plastic. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > I'm not really sure about this but the name of your silicone sounds like it was made for auto parts. If it was, it might contain acetone. My friend used something like that and it worked beautifully on most cubes. The thing is, the plastic of the cube tends to stick together at first as if they were slightly melted. Not to worry, they're fine. Once we pulled them apart, it worked amazingly and lasted for quite awhile. I choose to use a more basic form of silicone. I disassemble the cube and spray the pieces with a nice coat. I then let it dry completely and put it back together and I tend to get nice results. This could take a few hours to a few days. Anyway, check your silicone to see what kind of chemicals are in it because the name keeps telling me it's for auto parts. > > Good Luck, > > Rory > > mt_highest <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Well, i was lubing my cube with a silicone spray and at first it > didnt work on a cube so i didnt use it for a while and I got a new > cube. time pssed by and the new cube was starting to get stiff so i > decided to take another stab at using the spray. At first i sprayed it > (maybe i put too much) and it began to get stiff again. Interestingly, > i wanted to take of the silicone so i added water a few minutes after > lubrication and the cube worked amazing when the faces were turned > normally, but were sttterish when i went really slowly. So i tried it > again and it worked! It's amazing and worked perfectly, so i showed my > neighbour and he wanted his lubed up to. > I tried the same thing on his cube and it actually became much > stiffer! we tried again and it stayed stiffer. I'm not sure why this > happened so i was jsut wondering if anyone else had a clue? Also when > we used his cube and turned it at normal speed, it was stutterish, > does anyone know what the cause of that is too? > Btw, i used Motomaster silicone lubricant spray. > > Thanks for the help and sorry its so long. > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't know the idea to its full extent, but I think the idea is that no matter what position the cube is in, it can be solved with this one algorithm. I was wondering if anyone had any news or ideas on this. Just thought of it as an interesting discussion. Let me know if you have any thoughts or ideas. Think hard! Rory

enguarde1234 wrote: > I don't know the idea to its full extent, but I think the idea is that > no matter what position the cube is in, it can be solved with this one > algorithm. ... in the fewest moves possible. Several computer implementations exist: http://www.seas.ucla.edu/hsseas/press/1997/korfcube.html http://www.math.ucf.edu/~reid/Rubik/optimal_solver.html http://kociemba.org/cube.htm They are memory- and computationally- intensive, and therefore not practical for Humans. An interesting question is whether "smarter" algorithms can be developed that are learnable by Humans. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Awesome. That was exactly my two handed average. Sigh... On Jan 13, 2007, at 21:42, chrisdzoan wrote: > 21.46 average I believe > > 20.32, 20.xx, 23.xx > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "agousev" <agousev@...> > wrote: >> >> If I am not mistaken, there was also a one-handed average World >> Record, also by Dan Dzoan. It was 21.xx, I don't remember exactly >> what. We'll see the official results soon enough. >> >> -Alexei Gousev >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

**limps away after being chided by Stefan** --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "Dan" <dan_j_harris@> wrote: > > > > The competitor cannot possibly see the cube even if they have their > > eyes open, because the cube is inside the box. > > If I have my eyes open I can see signals of my assistent in the > audience. > > > > I don't think there could ever be a "perfect" blindfold, especially > > if the competitor is obliged to don it him/her self. > > I disagree. I envision something like this: > http://www.leitermann-shop.de/WGROUP/1015786.htm > > I.e. something that's leakproof like swimming goggles and very easy > to close for the solving part. > > > > So perhaps there could be some provision where the memorisation, and > > execution, are timed seperately, and the competitor is allowed > > unlimited (within reasonable bounds) time inbetween to put the > > blindfold on, and the judge can ensure that it is worn correctly and > > is perfectly opaque and tight etc. > > Any time above zero seconds can be used for rehearsal and thus should > count. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > I couldn't for the life of me get the address to work in Google Earth, > but I believe I found the museum anyway. > > 47 degrees 30' 41.15 North > 19 degrees 1' 30.81 East > > That should be it based on photos of the museum, and also that > location is very close to the Moscow Square which is described on the > page for the museum. > > I can't wait until October!!! > > Chris > I'm also very excited to go to Hungary in October. I've already started my praparation for the competition, being that I only practice a few events and will probably ddo so for the whole year. The event that I try to get better in is 3x3, 3x3OH, 2x2 and 4x4. By the way, are you still working on the ZBLL Chris? Anyone else? /Gunnar

Wow! Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near that...oh, well... Pedro chrisdzoan <chrisdzoan@...> escreveu: 21.46 average I believe 20.32, 20.xx, 23.xx --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "agousev" <agousev@...> wrote: > > If I am not mistaken, there was also a one-handed average World > Record, also by Dan Dzoan. It was 21.xx, I don't remember exactly > what. We'll see the official results soon enough. > > -Alexei Gousev > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me wondering if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It really seems like it might be possible based on those times. Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Wow! > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near that...oh, well... > > Pedro

Hey Gunnar, No I don't practice ZBLL anymore. I do still remember some of them, as well as some of the ZBF2L. During a speed solve I will use a ZBLL if I recognize it quickly (and if I even know that case), and sometimes I use ZBF2L instead of just regular F2L say if all LL edges are flipped wrong and I can quickly do ZBF2L to flip all 4 correctly - plus I have to know that case, and I don't remember all of them. I don't really practice the method anymore though. Pretty much all I do now is 3x3x3 speed to maintain, and BLD for all cubes. Chris > I'm also very excited to go to Hungary in October. I've already > started my praparation for the competition, being that I only practice > a few events and will probably ddo so for the whole year. The event > that I try to get better in is 3x3, 3x3OH, 2x2 and 4x4. > > By the way, are you still working on the ZBLL Chris? Anyone else? > > /Gunnar >

Once a method for solving the cube using only "F U R U' R' F' " and cube rotations appeared on the French Yahoo group. Gilles 2007/1/14, Ryan Heise <ryan@...>: > > enguarde1234 wrote: > > > I don't know the idea to its full extent, but I think the idea is that > > no matter what position the cube is in, it can be solved with this one > > algorithm. > > ... in the fewest moves possible. > > Several computer implementations exist: > > http://www.seas.ucla.edu/hsseas/press/1997/korfcube.html > http://www.math.ucf.edu/~reid/Rubik/optimal_solver.html > http://kociemba.org/cube.htm > > They are memory- and computationally- intensive, and therefore not > practical for Humans. An interesting question is whether "smarter" > algorithms can be developed that are learnable by Humans. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wow, that's nuts... I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. Anyone trying sub17 ? :D Congratulations ! I am far from any good times these days :-( Gilles 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me wondering > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Pedro <pedrosino1@...> > wrote: > > > > Wow! > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > that...oh, well... > > > > Pedro > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... Pedro Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: Wow, that's nuts... I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. Anyone trying sub17 ? :D Congratulations ! I am far from any good times these days :-( Gilles 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me wondering > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Pedro <pedrosino1@...> > wrote: > > > > Wow! > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > that...oh, well... > > > > Pedro > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see underneath Wrong. Can't speak for Leyan and Tyson and their blindfolds, but I could've easily looked underneath the blindfolds I've worn if I had wanted to. Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Once a method for solving the cube using only "F U R U' R' F' " and cube > rotations appeared on the French Yahoo group. That's flawed. Will fail in 50% of all cases. But I know a method for solving the cube using only "U" and cube rotations. Cheers! Stefan

Personally, I can't stand the ones Leyan and Tyson etc. wear, but that's just me... Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the > standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. > use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see > underneath > > Wrong. Can't speak for Leyan and Tyson and their blindfolds, but I > could've easily looked underneath the blindfolds I've worn if I had > wanted to. > > Stefan >

Hi! When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome cases can be solved much faster that way. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > Pedro > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: > Wow, that's nuts... > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > Congratulations ! > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > Gilles > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me wondering > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Wow! > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yeah, the same with me...I do the cross on L, F, D, R, even U side... for the F2L I do on bottom or left (some cases are easier on left) oh, I also do with my left hand...are you also right-handed? I think most right-handeds do OH with their left...I guess it's because of the R moves...it's not easy to do R only with my right hand Pedro Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...> escreveu: Hi! When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome cases can be solved much faster that way. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > Pedro > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: > Wow, that's nuts... > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > Congratulations ! > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > Gilles > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me wondering > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Wow! > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest part of the solve as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly :-(. For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the right too. I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH guys. Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the cube. When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused on solving the cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is going to do that Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand thinking" Well, that's just my opinion. (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) Gilles 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > Hi! > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Pedro > <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > Pedro > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: > > Wow, that's nuts... > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > Congratulations ! > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > >: > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > wondering > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Speaking of OH : congratulations to Anssi for the OH European Records. ;-) Though 22.71 and 27.96 are still beatable... :D :D :D Congratulations Anssi :-) Gilles 2007/1/14, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest part of the > solve as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly :-(. > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the right too. > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH guys. > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the cube. > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused on solving > the cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is going to do > that > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand thinking" > > Well, that's just my opinion. > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > Gilles > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > > Hi! > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, Pedro > > <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > > > Congratulations ! > > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw < no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > >: > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > > wondering > > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > --- In > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the > > standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. > > use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see > > underneath > > Why can't we just put the cube underneath the table, and have your chest (front) almost touching the edge of the table, so that you can't possibly look under to see the cube? The judge could probably tell if you're cheating or not when you're doing it that way. Or...put it under the table AND put on the blindfold? tha Harris

I think if you did it under the table, it would be more boring for the audience than it is already ;) Dan :) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Harris Chan" <takonan_mutoy@...> wrote: > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > > > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the > > > standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. > > > use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see > > > underneath > > > > > Why can't we just put the cube underneath the table, and have your > chest (front) almost touching the edge of the table, so that you can't > possibly look under to see the cube? The judge could probably tell if > you're cheating or not when you're doing it that way. Or...put it > under the table AND put on the blindfold? tha > > Harris >

The other obvious cheating avenue is people having their own cubes with recognizable marks. I use a DIY cube, and there is a Rubik's logo in the plastic of one center that is impossible to not feel. We should at least ban those, no? - - - - - - - - - - - - Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com

Hi! I understand that you don't practice ZBLL anymore. There is so many cases so I guess only very few could master the method or at least put in the neccesary effort to learn it. Your BLD times are really amazing. What times do you think is possible for the bigger cubes. sub-5 for 4x4? sub-15 for 5x5? /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey Gunnar, > > No I don't practice ZBLL anymore. I do still remember some of them, > as well as some of the ZBF2L. During a speed solve I will use a ZBLL > if I recognize it quickly (and if I even know that case), and > sometimes I use ZBF2L instead of just regular F2L say if all LL edges > are flipped wrong and I can quickly do ZBF2L to flip all 4 correctly - > plus I have to know that case, and I don't remember all of them. > > I don't really practice the method anymore though. Pretty much all I > do now is 3x3x3 speed to maintain, and BLD for all cubes. > > Chris > > > I'm also very excited to go to Hungary in October. I've already > > started my praparation for the competition, being that I only practice > > a few events and will probably ddo so for the whole year. The event > > that I try to get better in is 3x3, 3x3OH, 2x2 and 4x4. > > > > By the way, are you still working on the ZBLL Chris? Anyone else? > > > > /Gunnar > > >

Hi! It's interesting how people use different hands for OH and regular cubing. I, myself, am a little ambidextrous, but I'm mostly left-handed. Still, I mostly use my right hand for regular cubing but my left for OH. It's just what feels natural for me. I guess that I use left hand for OH because it's easy to use the some RU-algs that I use for regular cubing. When I during F2L get a case that I would have solved with a LU-based alg I tilt the cube so that the cross gets on the left side and I can do UR-algs instead. These cases where cross is on left is usually the fastest for me. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yeah, the same with me...I do the cross on L, F, D, R, even U side... > > for the F2L I do on bottom or left (some cases are easier on left) > > oh, I also do with my left hand...are you also right-handed? > I think most right-handeds do OH with their left...I guess it's because of the R moves...it's not easy to do R only with my right hand > > Pedro > > Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...> escreveu: > Hi! > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > Pedro > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> escreveu: > > Wow, that's nuts... > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > Congratulations ! > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > wondering > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yeah, that's what I was talking about...I tilt the cube the way you said, even on some permutations, like the "left-R" (L U2 L' U2 L F' L' U' L U F L2' U) And I think what Gilles said about sub-25 OH cubers is right...I'm very close to sub-25, but I do that "thinking" he talked about...haha...I'd really like to be able to go to a competition and meet some of the faster guys...is the WC really going to be in october? I'll probably go to europe on June or July, so if it was on that time, I could participate : ( well, other way, I'll just save money to travel maybe to the US (closer to me)...or start making competitions here in Brazil : ) keep cubing (and OH cubing) Pedro Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...> escreveu: Hi! It's interesting how people use different hands for OH and regular cubing. I, myself, am a little ambidextrous, but I'm mostly left-handed. Still, I mostly use my right hand for regular cubing but my left for OH. It's just what feels natural for me. I guess that I use left hand for OH because it's easy to use the some RU-algs that I use for regular cubing. When I during F2L get a case that I would have solved with a LU-based alg I tilt the cube so that the cross gets on the left side and I can do UR-algs instead. These cases where cross is on left is usually the fastest for me. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yeah, the same with me...I do the cross on L, F, D, R, even U side... > > for the F2L I do on bottom or left (some cases are easier on left) > > oh, I also do with my left hand...are you also right-handed? > I think most right-handeds do OH with their left...I guess it's because of the R moves...it's not easy to do R only with my right hand > > Pedro > > Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...> escreveu: > Hi! > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > Pedro > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> escreveu: > > Wow, that's nuts... > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > Congratulations ! > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > wondering > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"TIP 51: try unobvious ways of placing edges when doing the cross suppose that doing the move R would place an edge, then consider doing R' and see if another edge is then easy to place with you being able to then place the original edge with R2." More useful tips. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/angela.hayden/cube/speed_frontpage.html Have fun --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > Pedro > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...> escreveu: > Wow, that's nuts... > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > Congratulations ! > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > Gilles > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>: > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me wondering > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Wow! > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yeah, that's what I was talking about...I tilt the cube the way you said, even on some permutations, like the "left-R" (L U2 L' U2 L F' L' U' L U F L2' U) Don't you have Java installed or what's the problem? http://tinyurl.com/y6zpcm > is the WC really going to be in october? No I'm sure Ron made a mistake. Stefan

Yes, I have Java installed...but we all make mistakes, don't we ; ) there's a L missing before F L2' U at the end... are you angry with me? sorry if I did something...I can't open www.speedcubing.com where I am (and didn't find out the reason yet), so I was just asking if that is confirmed... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yeah, that's what I was talking about...I tilt the cube the way you said, even on some permutations, like the "left-R" (L U2 L' U2 L F' L' U' L U F L2' U) Don't you have Java installed or what's the problem? http://tinyurl.com/y6zpcm > is the WC really going to be in october? No I'm sure Ron made a mistake. Stefan __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How can you give those coordinates to google earth? Sorry, I'm new to Earth... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Actually for some reason those coordinates aren't quite right. > > This is better for the input field in Google Earth > > 47 30.72 N, 19 1.50 E > > Alright, yeah I'm a nerd lol. I just wanted to see the place :-D > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > I couldn't for the life of me get the address to work in Google Earth, > > but I believe I found the museum anyway. > > > > 47 degrees 30' 41.15 North > > 19 degrees 1' 30.81 East > > > > That should be it based on photos of the museum, and also that > > location is very close to the Moscow Square which is described on the > > page for the museum. > > > > I can't wait until October!!! > > > > Chris > > >

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > > Once a method for solving the cube using only "F U R U' R' F' " and > > cube rotations appeared on the French Yahoo group. > > That's flawed. Will fail in 50% of all cases. Also it does not solve in the fewest moves possible. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

What is the best way to learn FRIDRICH SYSTEM. How to memorize all the algorythmes.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "medaoufa" <medaoufa@...> wrote: > > What is the best way to learn FRIDRICH SYSTEM. > How to memorize all the algorythmes. > I started to learn the system today,and I am sort of confused.

i would learn this beginners method http://peter.stillhq.com/jasmine/rubikscubesolution.html then i would try to learn F2l intuitively. if you get stuck, look up the algorithm, but watch what it does, so you can see how it works. then learn PLL and 3look LL. finally learn OLL

Okay, then as mentioned before, just make the blindfolds a little "longer" so they cover more of your face, until you can't possibly look underneath. Make a standard size for them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Standardised blindfolds --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see underneath Wrong. Can't speak for Leyan and Tyson and their blindfolds, but I could've easily looked underneath the blindfolds I've worn if I had wanted to. Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

u learn 2day.. i study it for 1 month and a half.. i got already like 35 algs of OLL.. PLL i know all them excetp G.. has many variants.. and F2L i do intintively.. i just have problems with reflexion on "y" axis in come algs.. but i keep doing like 40secs on avg and 32s record..

Hey Gunnar, Yeah I still think the ZB method has merit, and I think it would be fast if someone mastered it. I'm afraid though that unless the times of Fridrich plateau soon (which I don't think they will) or someone's paying profession becomes speedcubing I don't think we'll see too many people learning the whole ZB method. The closest person so far that I know of is Doug Li, who last time I heard knows quite a large amount of ZBLL and also quite a large amount of ZBF2L. My money is on Doug Li to be either one of the first, or literally THE first person to learn the whole method. Not to put pressure on Doug, it's just that he knows so much of the method already, I can easily see him finishing the rest. As for BLD, thanks about the times. It's just about practice really, same as any other event. I just choose to put all my effort into BLD, which is why it gets easier to do it more quickly. I can't claim that for 3x3x3 BLD though lol, I've been trying for some time to improve my times there with some minor success, but nowhere near the rate I get on the bigger cubes. As for the limits, I still don't really know. I predict a "perfect" 4x4x4 solve would be memorization in maybe 2:15 and solving in 2:40 so maybe a limit of just under 5 minutes. This would be made more possible by not having edge or corner parity, or having a little luck on your side as far as number of centers already solved at the start. A "perfect" 5x5x5 solve in my opinion would be a nearly perfect 4x4x4 solve (since the 5x5x5 contains the 4x4x4) as well as an exceptionally fast solve for the +centers and central edges. I believe if you could do the 4x4x4 within the 5x5x5 in 5:30-6:30 then you could get sub-10 overall. So I estimate a sub-10 5x5x5 solve would be possible, and yeah maybe something in the sub-5 range for the 4x4x4. I don't think the limits are anywhere near being reached for the big cubes BLD yet. I sure would like to try to push them as much as I personally can though ;-) I predict a sub-5 solve for 4x4x4 BLD in competition including memorization in the next 5 years. I'll also go ahead and predict a sub-10 5x5x5 BLD solve in competition including memorization in the next 5 years as well. I mean I have no basis for this prediction other than my own gut feeling, but I'll put that out there for what it's worth. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar Krig" <gunkr520@...> wrote: > > Hi! > > I understand that you don't practice ZBLL anymore. There is so many > cases so I guess only very few could master the method or at least put > in the neccesary effort to learn it. > > Your BLD times are really amazing. What times do you think is possible > for the bigger cubes. sub-5 for 4x4? sub-15 for 5x5? > > /Gunnar

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "megafrikkie" <megafrikkie@...> wrote: > > How can you give those coordinates to google earth? > Sorry, I'm new to Earth... > Hi, All you need to do is find the "Fly To" tab on the left hand sidebar and cut and paste these coordinates: 47 30.72 N, 19 1.50 E If you paste that in there exactly it takes you to the museum (or at least what I am 99% certain is the museum, I couldn't get the street address to work on mine). Chris

OK, here's my situation: I currently use a Fridrich-type solution, with 2-look OLL. My average is about 30 seconds. My average time for just doing the moves of a solution (no recognition time) is about 22 seconds. What this means is that to ever get sub-15 (long-term goal...) I'd have to get at least 36% faster in terms of raw turning speed if you assume 1 second total for recognition, and even though a lot of people out there are sub-15 I don't think it's reasonable for me, considering the amount of time I've known how to solve the Cube under a minute (maybe 2 years by now...). This is only my opinion, anyway, but Fridrich feels sort of clunky to me. The cross is often soft of ugly, F2L cases are hard to recognize (and corners/edges end up in the wrong slots way too often), most OLL algorithms are awful, and PLL is just long. So I'm looking for a new method. I need one that has a small number of steps, but which has efficient recognition and relatively fast algorithms. Also, please don't suggest Roux because I can't do an M quickly.

in my opinion, the fridrich method is the best system out there... most cubers use it and yu jeong min has acheived sub 12 with it. Some problems i think you're experiencing are probably associated with the f2l. your corner and edge do not have to be set up like they are in the pictures for you to do them. the edge can be in the incorrect slot but it is still possible to connect it to the corner. the f2l is the most important part of the solve. get that solid and youll be sub 15 in no time --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "qqwref" <mzrg@...> wrote: > > OK, here's my situation: I currently use a Fridrich-type solution, > with 2-look OLL. My average is about 30 seconds. My average time for > just doing the moves of a solution (no recognition time) is about 22 > seconds. > > What this means is that to ever get sub-15 (long-term goal...) I'd > have to get at least 36% faster in terms of raw turning speed if you > assume 1 second total for recognition, and even though a lot of people > out there are sub-15 I don't think it's reasonable for me, considering > the amount of time I've known how to solve the Cube under a minute > (maybe 2 years by now...). > > This is only my opinion, anyway, but Fridrich feels sort of clunky to > me. The cross is often soft of ugly, F2L cases are hard to recognize > (and corners/edges end up in the wrong slots way too often), most OLL > algorithms are awful, and PLL is just long. > > So I'm looking for a new method. I need one that has a small number of > steps, but which has efficient recognition and relatively fast > algorithms. Also, please don't suggest Roux because I can't do an M > quickly. >

You can try the Petrus method: http://lar5.com/cube -Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: qqwref To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] I want to learn a new system OK, here's my situation: I currently use a Fridrich-type solution, with 2-look OLL. My average is about 30 seconds. My average time for just doing the moves of a solution (no recognition time) is about 22 seconds. What this means is that to ever get sub-15 (long-term goal...) I'd have to get at least 36% faster in terms of raw turning speed if you assume 1 second total for recognition, and even though a lot of people out there are sub-15 I don't think it's reasonable for me, considering the amount of time I've known how to solve the Cube under a minute (maybe 2 years by now...). This is only my opinion, anyway, but Fridrich feels sort of clunky to me. The cross is often soft of ugly, F2L cases are hard to recognize (and corners/edges end up in the wrong slots way too often), most OLL algorithms are awful, and PLL is just long. So I'm looking for a new method. I need one that has a small number of steps, but which has efficient recognition and relatively fast algorithms. Also, please don't suggest Roux because I can't do an M quickly. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i think out of the best methods in the cubing scene today,(fridrich, petrus, roux) fridrich is prolly fits your "efficient and fast algos" the most. the appeal of the system is that the cross is very easy and alot of room. f2l is in its basic form the same thing four times. while there is intuition to learn it, in the end, most of what you do during that step is your own "algorithms". then OLL and PLL have extremely fast recognition and execution with enough practice, simply becasue there aren't that many cases(relatively speaking) and they are very distinct(orientation then permutation). petrus is really only different from fridrich until the LL. and for petrus i think the building of the blocks are alot more intuitive and dont have the repetition that f2l has. maybe thats jus cause im a fridrich user. roux i think is like petrus with a more intuitive LL. but it really doesnt fit what you seem to be asking for. aside from the whole M issue, the last layer begins with COLL, which i personally think recognition is relatively hard compared to OLL. and then the edges are alot more intuitive then jus algorithms. idk thats jus my 2 cents. psht why did i type so much

We should wear masks that would cover our face and also "come back" towards the throat so that it would really be impossible to see. Gilles 2007/1/15, PJK Sports Cards <pjksportscards@...>: > > Okay, then as mentioned before, just make the blindfolds a little > "longer" so they cover more of your face, until you can't possibly look > underneath. Make a standard size for them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@... <pochmann%40gmx.de>> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:12 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Standardised blindfolds > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>>, > "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > > > I don't think those would be perfect. Why not just use the > standard blindfold such as the ones that Leyan, Tyson, Stefan, etc. > use? That appears to go far enough down your nose were you can't see > underneath > > Wrong. Can't speak for Leyan and Tyson and their blindfolds, but I > could've easily looked underneath the blindfolds I've worn if I had > wanted to. > > Stefan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yes, I have Java installed...but we all make mistakes, don't we ; ) > there's a L missing before F L2' U at the end... > > are you angry with me? sorry if I did something... Nah... was just a general reminder to always check non-trivial algorithms before posting them. It's so easy and prevents mistakes. Cheers! Stefan

Ah, ok then : ) is that I don't post algs quite often, so checking them there is not a habit for me...but I'll try to do it next time(s) Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> escreveu: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > Yes, I have Java installed...but we all make mistakes, don't we ; ) > there's a L missing before F L2' U at the end... > > are you angry with me? sorry if I did something... Nah... was just a general reminder to always check non-trivial algorithms before posting them. It's so easy and prevents mistakes. Cheers! Stefan __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I should have warned you that many people find they get noticeably slower when they start using F2L. The cases are often hard to recognize when you're starting. It gets easier, though, with practice. For cross, try counting the number of moves it takes you to do a cross. If that number is frequently in the 8, 9, 10 or higher range, read Dan Harris' cross page at cubestation.co.uk or Macky's cross page at cubefreak.net. When you just do the moves, how do your 22 seconds break down? How long is cross, F2L, OLL, PLL usually? Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "qqwref" <mzrg@...> wrote: > > OK, here's my situation: I currently use a Fridrich-type solution, > with 2-look OLL. My average is about 30 seconds. My average time for > just doing the moves of a solution (no recognition time) is about 22 > seconds. > > What this means is that to ever get sub-15 (long-term goal...) I'd > have to get at least 36% faster in terms of raw turning speed if you > assume 1 second total for recognition, and even though a lot of people > out there are sub-15 I don't think it's reasonable for me, considering > the amount of time I've known how to solve the Cube under a minute > (maybe 2 years by now...). > > This is only my opinion, anyway, but Fridrich feels sort of clunky to > me. The cross is often soft of ugly, F2L cases are hard to recognize > (and corners/edges end up in the wrong slots way too often), most OLL > algorithms are awful, and PLL is just long. > > So I'm looking for a new method. I need one that has a small number of > steps, but which has efficient recognition and relatively fast > algorithms. Also, please don't suggest Roux because I can't do an M > quickly. >

For the 5th time, I reassembled my eastsheen 4x4x4 and it still doesn't work. With yellow on top and red in front, I can do r and r' turns, but I can't do u, u', f, or f' turns. This is getting pretty frustrating. Does anyone konw the reason for this?

As you are probably well aware from reassembling it 5 times, the eastsheen 4x4 is basically a 5x5 with a bunch of hidden pieces. So between each edge pair, there's a hidden edge which would be visible on the 5x5. What happens is that that thing comes mislocated and blocks the movement of slice turns. So what you should do is experiment to find out exactly which edge pair(s) is/are creating the issue, then pop that edge pair and carefully put it back in, putting the hidden edge in first, then the two others one at a time. Good luck! Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, helloiamchow <no_reply@...> wrote: > > For the 5th time, I reassembled my eastsheen 4x4x4 and it still > doesn't work. With yellow on top and red in front, I can do r and r' > turns, but I can't do u, u', f, or f' turns. This is getting pretty > frustrating. Does anyone konw the reason for this? >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > We have some issues with the current blindfolds: > 1) many different blindfolds are used, even several different ones in > one competition > .. Why is that an issue? People are using different cubes, too. -- Johannes Laire

Hi Lars :-) How would you possible use that to cheat? One would need to "mark" many more cubies to "cheat constructively". And besides, they are official branded rubiks.com cubes. Would be very awkward to ban them. Well, no need to ban from other than bld-events of course ... Happy cubing :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > The other obvious cheating avenue is people having their own cubes > with recognizable marks. > > I use a DIY cube, and there is a Rubik's logo in the plastic of one > center that is impossible to not feel. > > We should at least ban those, no? > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. > > Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com >

> That is one number. Oh, and it is the answer to another question :)). :: Hitch-hikers guide ... :: -Per

Btw, it would be VERY nice if god's algorithm for 3x3x3 has length 20, the same as number of permutable cubies ;-) (20=3^3-1^3-6*(3-2)^2) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Josef Jelinek" <gloom@...> wrote: > > > > Maybe 42. > > That is one number. Oh, and it is the answer to another question :)). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:11 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: God's Algorithm > > > > > > > > > > > > > An algorithm is two numbers? Well yeah, you can encode it even > in one > > > number, but I don't think I understand what you mean... > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" > > > <d_j_salvia@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Over the weekend I remembered something that struck me a > while > > > ago: > > > > when "God's Algorithm" is found it will be two numbers. Has > anyone > > > > seen this in print before? > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > David J >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > > > > Once a method for solving the cube using only "F U R U' R' F' " and > > > cube rotations appeared on the French Yahoo group. > > > > That's flawed. Will fail in 50% of all cases. > > Also it does not solve in the fewest moves possible. If these are the only generators allowed then it will solve only 50% of cases but you can solve in fewest moves possible in the induced metric. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

M is really easy dude. Just do r R' Or for M' do r' R simple. Roux or Petrus, maybe Corners first?

Does anyone know any websites with online cubing competitions? I don't want to compete until I'm really fast enough.

I've been practicing blindfold, though I'm not quite ready to solve a full cube yet.. One of the problems you face is to bring the cube back to it's original orientation after an algorithm, including various setup moves and rotations. Just being able to know where one center is, reduces the possible orientations of the cube from 24 to 4. With a second center marked, you'd be able to ignore this part entirely. This is probably a minor factor for the experienced solvers, but it's certainly a real one. On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:52, Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi Lars :-) > > How would you possible use that to cheat? One would need to "mark" > many more cubies to "cheat constructively". And besides, they are > official branded rubiks.com cubes. Would be very awkward to ban them. > Well, no need to ban from other than bld-events of course ... > > Happy cubing :-) > > -Per > > >> --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Lars Petrus > <lars@...> wrote: >> >> The other obvious cheating avenue is people having their own cubes >> with recognizable marks. >> >> I use a DIY cube, and there is a Rubik's logo in the plastic of > one >> center that is impossible to not feel. >> >> We should at least ban those, no? >> >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - >> Curiosity was framed; ignorance killed the cat. >> >> Lars Petrus - lars@... http://lar5.com >> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

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Hmmm stop me if I’m wrong, but I always thought M’ to be rR’? Well, as long as it is defined before, I would say anything is right. F. De : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com [mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com] De la part de cuben00b Envoyé : lundi 15 janvier 2007 20:51 À : speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Objet : [Speed cubing group] Re: I want to learn a new system M is really easy dude. Just do r R' Or for M' do r' R simple. Roux or Petrus, maybe Corners first? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There's Jon Morris's Sunday Contest: http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.htm There's Ryan Heise's Blindfolded Cubing Contest: http://www.ryanheise.com/competitions/bcc/ There's Dan Harris's Fewest Moves Challenge: http://www.cubestation.co.uk/cs2/index.php?page=fmc/fmcnewsystem These are some online cubing competitions I am aware of. There are probably more if you search around. -Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: baller1177 To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Online Contests Does anyone know any websites with online cubing competitions? I don't want to compete until I'm really fast enough. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

42!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rory Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: Btw, it would be VERY nice if god's algorithm for 3x3x3 has length 20, the same as number of permutable cubies ;-) (20=3^3-1^3-6*(3-2)^2) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Josef Jelinek" <gloom@...> wrote: > > > > Maybe 42. > > That is one number. Oh, and it is the answer to another question :)). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@g...> > > To: <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:11 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: God's Algorithm > > > > > > > > > > > > > An algorithm is two numbers? Well yeah, you can encode it even > in one > > > number, but I don't think I understand what you mean... > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_salvia" > > > <d_j_salvia@y...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Over the weekend I remembered something that struck me a > while > > > ago: > > > > when "God's Algorithm" is found it will be two numbers. Has > anyone > > > > seen this in print before? > > > > > > > > Comments? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > David J > --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How did the cube come in second to Britney Spears?!! I can't see that as possible! Rory Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: http://buzz.yahoo.com/overall Rubik's Cube is number 2! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wow! Right after Britney Spears.

Harris Chan just achieved an amazing 9.72 second average of 10 on the simulator: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html Permalink: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://buzz.yahoo.com/overall > > Rubik's Cube is number 2! And surrounded by chicks. Besides NFL the only non-chick in the top 10. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > By saying "it's only because he isn't in school," Did someone say that? Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Harris Chan just achieved an amazing 9.72 second average of 10 on the > simulator: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > Permalink: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or outliers that fasten the entire avg. Without those lucky cases it would have been 10 around seconds...May be I'll sub 10 without 5 lucky cases in the near future! -Harris

For a high school computer science project, I was thinking about making a rubik's cube simulator in java. I had a question for those who have already built some simulators, though. Do you have classes set apart for corners and edges, but just monitor their orientation and position, or do you record what color each side contains? I would greatly appreciate any help. It's not an impossible project for me (considering I wrote a sudoku solver for last semester's project), but I don't know where I should go with this. Thank you.

Harris Chan wrote: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > outliers that fasten the entire avg. I was about to say! Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the "average records" list, because after all it is an average. In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 seconds. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is it because you can execute the algorithms faster? -Tyson On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > I was about to say! > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > seconds. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've never written one all the way through before (started to for the ti-89, but lost interest, too slow). But my first instinct is to set up a "face" class and have 6 instances of that running. Each face object would keep track of the stickers on a face. Then then it's just a matter of correctly writing the F, B, R, L, U, D functions. Let me know what you come up with, I'd like to see the finished project. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jwoelmer2" <jwoelmer2@...> wrote: > > For a high school computer science project, I was thinking about > making a rubik's cube simulator in java. I had a question for those > who have already built some simulators, though. Do you have classes > set apart for corners and edges, but just monitor their orientation > and position, or do you record what color each side contains? > > I would greatly appreciate any help. It's not an impossible project > for me (considering I wrote a sudoku solver for last semester's > project), but I don't know where I should go with this. Thank you. >

Tyson Mao wrote: > You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the > computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! Yeah. Harris, can you possibly make a video with split screen, showing your fingers and the cube at the same time? Borrow a second camera if you have to :-) If you can make it, I'll put a link to it on the simulator page. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

jwoelmer2 wrote: > For a high school computer science project, I was thinking about > making a rubik's cube simulator in java. I had a question for those > who have already built some simulators, though. Do you have classes > set apart for corners and edges, but just monitor their orientation > and position, or do you record what color each side contains? The speed simulator just has stickers, no pieces. The cube database (http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/database/) tracks pieces. I don't distinguish between position and orientation - I treat each piece as having 24 possible orientations (as in http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/method/basics.html#states) which can be represented by a rotation matrix. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I guess that´s the reason...you can just memorise the typing for the algs, and do that faster...and you can see across the cube... but that's not my case...I'm slower on the simulator than on real cubing Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is it because you can execute the algorithms faster? -Tyson On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > I was about to say! > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > seconds. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, does anyone know a website i can order a 2x2x2 cube from, rubiks.com is out of stock, and cubesmith took me to mefferts and i didnt see one there, so please help.

Yeah, but how are your typing skills? Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Harris Chan - 9.72 average!! I guess that´s the reason...you can just memorise the typing for the algs, and do that faster...and you can see across the cube... but that's not my case...I'm slower on the simulator than on real cubing Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is it because you can execute the algorithms faster? -Tyson On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@ryanheise.com> wrote: > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > I was about to say! > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > seconds. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If I remember right, with the applet, you can do a max of 6 moves per second. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Harris Chan - 9.72 average!! You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is it because you can execute the algorithms faster? -Tyson On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@...<mailto:ryan@...>> wrote: > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan<http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan> > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > I was about to say! > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > seconds. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/<http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gungz is the real deal.

PJK Sports Cards wrote: > If I remember right, with the applet, you can do a max of 6 moves per > second. The animation speed varies according to how fast you move, but the maximum is about 9 moves/sec. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Tyson Mao wrote: > > > You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the > > computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! > > Yeah. Harris, can you possibly make a video with split screen, showing > your fingers and the cube at the same time? Borrow a second camera if > you have to :-) > > If you can make it, I'll put a link to it on the simulator page. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ Yeah, I actually have those programs to capture the screen. I'm shot some, but it laggs my computer soo much that I had to stop the program, otherwise the applet with totally freeze. So applet for the cube activity, and another camera for the typing (frankly I'm got a video with the screen and finger in the same view, but the webcam got this horrible white noise...and my hands weren't ridiculously moving that fast anyways :P) The problem is that I can't have split screen videos...I only have Windows Movie Maker to edit my videos. Anyone know or have a video editing program that can do that? This one I did a while ago to test out the program...wasn't that fast XP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmBXacmlmbA And this one's with the horrible white noise...TURN OFF the volume: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFgpF12Cw6o -Harris

Various people wrote: > the edge can be in the incorrect slot > but it is still possible to connect it to the corner. I'm not sure if I can do that, especially in under two seconds including recognition. I've been experimenting with pairing from the wrong slot and inserting in the right one, but, again, it's slow for me. > For cross, try counting the number of moves it takes you to do a > cross. Average is 6-9 moves, but I can't yet plan it all out in inspection because of badly flipped edges. I should probably work on just FMC cross, right? > I should have warned you that many people find they get noticeably > slower when they start using F2L. The cases are often hard to > recognize when you're starting. It gets easier, though, with > practice. My biggest problem with F2L is not recognizing the cases but finding enough pieces to do them with. If I have two matching pieces in the last layer or the correct slot, it's easy to do the algorithm, but that doesn't seem to be true very often after the cross, so that slows me down a lot. > When you just do the moves, how do your 22 seconds break down? How > long is cross, F2L, OLL, PLL usually? Something like 3 / 10 / 5 / 4 seconds. But it varies. Bad F2L cases can take two or three seconds more, good OLL cases (I use 2-step currently) take two or three less.

Hi, There is this store on ebay.co.uk that has quite a lot of stuff : http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Rubiks-Puzzles-and-Games On Mefferts : I am surprised there are no 2x2's anymore. You can by the assembly cube though. Otherwise : www.rubiks.com should have more sotck soon. Hope this helps, Gilles 2007/1/16, xkiesterx <kianb@...>: > > Hi, does anyone know a website i can order a 2x2x2 cube from, > rubiks.com is out of stock, and cubesmith took me to mefferts and i > didnt see one there, so please help. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Ryan :-) Could you please redesign the menu with blue on dark grey. It's horrible ;-) Almost unreadable, esp on some lcd screens :D Regards :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Harris Chan just achieved an amazing 9.72 second average of 10 on the > simulator: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/speed.html > > Permalink: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Can't they be both? Seriously, I think these are realistic goals for this year. 1 of them has already been done and it has only been 2 weeks this year. Imposing is a big word, but I am interested what most people think will be accomplished this year. I don't know why I wrote average of 10 OH, I think this should be changed to average of 5 OH because all competitions seem to be average of 5. My personal bests so far are 19.88 SS, 28.29 AVG, 43.47 SS-OH, 59.05 AVG-OH. I am still using working-corner/keyhole + 4 look last layer. I am hoping to improve those to sub 15, sub 20, sub 30, sub 40 but I am more into the bigger cubes. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Arnaud van > Galen" <avgalen@> wrote: > > > > New Goals for this year: > > Sub 9 single solve > > Sub 18 single solve OH > > Sub 10 average of 5 > > Sub 20 average of 10 OH > > Are these your personal goals or are you trying to impose them on the > community? > > Stefan >

I have seen a lot of misinterpretations of the term God's Algorithm in the past. Many people tend to think of this one (unknown) algorithm that you can apply to any scrambled cube to solve it without caring for the number of moves. God's Algorithm means just the opposite. Given one scrambled cube, God's algorithm would be any algorithm that solves the cube in the least amount of moves. It has been proven that any cube can be solved in 28 moves or less. It has also been proven that there are some cubes that can only be solved in 20 moves or more. God's Algorithm is not reachable by speedcubers. It is not even reachable by the best Fewest Moves solvers. It can only be calculated by computers using big amounts of memory and cpu-power as Ryan Heise pointed out. Finding one algorithm that is capable of solving the entire cube (allowing for cube rotations) is really obvious: R (actually R' or B would work just as well). A more usefull approach, such as "Gilles" (F U R U' R' F') or "my" http://z12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php? showtopic=410 is a really fun exercise to do yourself. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Once a method for solving the cube using only "F U R U' R' F' " and cube > rotations appeared on the French Yahoo group. > > Gilles > > > 2007/1/14, Ryan Heise <ryan@...>: > > > > enguarde1234 wrote: > > > > > I don't know the idea to its full extent, but I think the idea is that > > > no matter what position the cube is in, it can be solved with this one > > > algorithm. > > > > ... in the fewest moves possible. > > > > Several computer implementations exist: > > > > http://www.seas.ucla.edu/hsseas/press/1997/korfcube.html > > http://www.math.ucf.edu/~reid/Rubik/optimal_solver.html > > http://kociemba.org/cube.htm > > > > They are memory- and computationally- intensive, and therefore not > > practical for Humans. An interesting question is whether "smarter" > > algorithms can be developed that are learnable by Humans. > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Serious answer: Group simular cases and then learn them 1 (or 2) at a time. For example on the OLL, there is a group of 7 cases for the corners only (Group "1"). You can split this group in subgroups with 0 corners correct (2), corner correct (2) and 2 corners correct (3). Pick one subgroup and see if some cases are inverses/mirrors of each other. If there are simular algorithms learn them at the same time, otherwise just learn them one at a time. Then switch to the next subgroup, etc. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "medaoufa" <medaoufa@...> wrote: > > What is the best way to learn FRIDRICH SYSTEM. > How to memorize all the algorythmes. >

arnaudvangalen wrote: > God's Algorithm is not reachable by speedcubers. It is not even > reachable by the best Fewest Moves solvers. It can only be calculated > by computers using big amounts of memory and cpu-power as Ryan Heise > pointed out. Actually, I was trying to suggest that the "opposite" might be true. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Well, on "normal" typing I'm good, but I can't type the algs on the simulator really fast...didn't really took the time to get very used to the buttons corresponding to the moves... Pedro ddollard <ddollard@...o.ca> escreveu: Yeah, but how are your typing skills? Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Pedro To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Harris Chan - 9.72 average!! I guess that´s the reason...you can just memorise the typing for the algs, and do that faster...and you can see across the cube... but that's not my case...I'm slower on the simulator than on real cubing Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is it because you can execute the algorithms faster? -Tyson On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@ryanheise.com> wrote: > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > I was about to say! > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > seconds. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Would it be possible to create aw azerty equivalent ? Because some moves are really awkward to perform with an azerty keyboard. Thanks, Gilles 2007/1/16, Pedro <pedrosino1@...>: > > Well, on "normal" typing I'm good, but I can't type the algs on the > simulator really fast...didn't really took the time to get very used to the > buttons corresponding to the moves... > > Pedro > > ddollard <ddollard@... <ddollard%40nb.sympatico.ca>> escreveu: > > Yeah, but how are your typing skills? > > Dwayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Pedro > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Harris Chan - 9.72 average!! > > I guess that´s the reason...you can just memorise the typing for the algs, > and do that faster...and you can see across the cube... > > but that's not my case...I'm slower on the simulator than on real cubing > > Pedro > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> escreveu: > You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the > computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer > is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. > > Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is > it > because you can execute the algorithms faster? > > -Tyson > > On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@... <ryan%40ryanheise.com>> wrote: > > > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi?db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > > > I was about to say! > > > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > > seconds. > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi :-) The best humans can hope for is a human-Thistlethwaite method. there would still be 1000's of algorithm to learn and i cannot imagine how fast recognition would be possible. But one can dream on ... Btw im no fan of memorising algs so it wouldn't be for me ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "arnaudvangalen" <avgalen@...> wrote: > > I have seen a lot of misinterpretations of the term God's Algorithm > in the past. Many people tend to think of this one (unknown) > algorithm that you can apply to any scrambled cube to solve it > without caring for the number of moves. > > God's Algorithm means just the opposite. Given one scrambled cube, > God's algorithm would be any algorithm that solves the cube in the > least amount of moves. It has been proven that any cube can be solved > in 28 moves or less. It has also been proven that there are some > cubes that can only be solved in 20 moves or more. > > God's Algorithm is not reachable by speedcubers. It is not even > reachable by the best Fewest Moves solvers. It can only be calculated > by computers using big amounts of memory and cpu-power as Ryan Heise > pointed out. > > Finding one algorithm that is capable of solving the entire cube > (allowing for cube rotations) is really obvious: R (actually R' or B > would work just as well). A more usefull approach, such as "Gilles" > (F U R U' R' F') or "my" http://z12.invisionfree.com/rubiks/index.php? > showtopic=410 is a really fun exercise to do yourself. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > Once a method for solving the cube using only "F U R U' R' F' " and > cube > > rotations appeared on the French Yahoo group. > > > > Gilles > > > > > > 2007/1/14, Ryan Heise <ryan@>: > > > > > > enguarde1234 wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know the idea to its full extent, but I think the idea > is that > > > > no matter what position the cube is in, it can be solved with > this one > > > > algorithm. > > > > > > ... in the fewest moves possible. > > > > > > Several computer implementations exist: > > > > > > http://www.seas.ucla.edu/hsseas/press/1997/korfcube.html > > > http://www.math.ucf.edu/~reid/Rubik/optimal_solver.html > > > http://kociemba.org/cube.htm > > > > > > They are memory- and computationally- intensive, and therefore not > > > practical for Humans. An interesting question is whether "smarter" > > > algorithms can be developed that are learnable by Humans. > > > > > > -- > > > Ryan Heise > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Hey! Get a qwerty-keyboard (cheap!) or convince Ryan to implement key- binding options :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Would it be possible to create aw azerty equivalent ? > > Because some moves are really awkward to perform with an azerty keyboard. > > Thanks, > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/16, Pedro <pedrosino1@...>: > > > > Well, on "normal" typing I'm good, but I can't type the algs on the > > simulator really fast...didn't really took the time to get very used to the > > buttons corresponding to the moves... > > > > Pedro > > > > ddollard <ddollard@... <ddollard%40nb.sympatico.ca>> escreveu: > > > > Yeah, but how are your typing skills? > > > > Dwayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Pedro > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Harris Chan - 9.72 average!! > > > > I guess that´s the reason...you can just memorise the typing for the algs, > > and do that faster...and you can see across the cube... > > > > but that's not my case...I'm slower on the simulator than on real cubing > > > > Pedro > > > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> escreveu: > > You wouldn't at all happen to have a video of yourself doing this on the > > computer would you? It'd be crazy to see! I have a Mac and so my computer > > is ridiculously laggy when it comes to running this applett. > > > > Why is it that applett times are so much faster than real-life times? Is > > it > > because you can execute the algorithms faster? > > > > -Tyson > > > > On 1/15/07, Ryan Heise <ryan@... <ryan%40ryanheise.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Harris Chan wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/record.cgi? db=average&name=Harris+Chan > > > > > > > > I think you should take if off...there were too many lucky solves, or > > > > outliers that fasten the entire avg. > > > > > > I was about to say! > > > > > > Well, I don't have any problem with people submitting lucky times in the > > > "average records" list, because after all it is an average. > > > > > > In any case, what I have done is reverted to your old record of 10.47 > > > seconds. > > > > > > -- > > > Ryan Heise > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Yeah!! I doubt it's even close to top-50 on google's ranking. Come on, we are not a very big community. So unless each of us is bombarding the search engines this cannot be true ... Too bad though :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > How did the cube come in second to Britney Spears?!! I can't see that as possible! > > Rory > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: http://buzz.yahoo.com/overall > > Rubik's Cube is number 2! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

You are right, you did suggest that there might be a way for people to REACH God's Algorithm. I don't think that is actually possible, but it might be possible for people to APPROACH God's Algorithm. I don't think that will happen anytime soon. I think it is important to mention that Fewest Moves was 1 of 2 records that wasn't broken last year. Everybody seems to focus on speed and not on theory. Maybe this will change in a few years when the limits of the Fridrich / Petrus / Roux methods have been reached and another method needs to be developed. Or maybe finding a "21"-er might get people more interested in the theory of the cube again, after all a "20"-er was found decades ago! --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] God's Algorithm Datum: 16/01/07 04:27 > > arnaudvangalen wrote: > > > God's Algorithm is not reachable by speedcubers. It is not even > > reachable by the best Fewest Moves solvers. It can only be calculated > > by computers using big amounts of memory and cpu-power as Ryan Heise > > pointed out. > > Actually, I was trying to suggest that the "opposite" might be true. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

Hi :-) If you mean a 21-er fewest moves that has been reached already. The best unofficial solution by human for fewest moves was 19 turns. Several people have achieved 21 turns, but not in official competition yet - still 28 is the best, to a large extent due to the 1 hr limitation!! -Per --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen <avgalen@...> wrote: > Or maybe finding a "21"-er might get people more interested > in the theory of the cube again, after all a "20"-er was found > decades ago!

Per, I think he means a position that requires 21 moves to solve. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > If you mean a 21-er fewest moves that has been reached already. The > best unofficial solution by human for fewest moves was 19 turns. > Several people have achieved 21 turns, but not in official competition > yet - still 28 is the best, to a large extent due to the 1 hr > limitation!! > > -Per > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen <avgalen@> > wrote: > > Or maybe finding a "21"-er might get people more interested > > in the theory of the cube again, after all a "20"-er was found > > decades ago! >

Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > Would it be possible to create aw azerty equivalent ? Unfortunately, the Java API hides the physical location of the keys and so I had to make an assumption that qwerty is used. There is one option for you, however: You can use an operating system level utility to switch between keyboard layouts, then my applet will work correctly. I don't know what the best utility is, but maybe this list is useful: http://www.surfpack.com/software/changekeyboardlayout/ I will also eventually add configurable keys, but it will be another two months before I have time to implement it. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > The best humans can hope for is a human-Thistlethwaite method. there > would still be 1000's of algorithm to learn You may be stuck in an established mindset. My feeling is that a smarter God's Algorithm will be based on observations that are yet to be made. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_30041084_886.jpg Yeah... new event anyone? -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Haha I'd be up for that event, I could pull that one off ;-) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_3004108 4_886.jpg > > Yeah... new event anyone? > > -Tyson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

another quick question: what do you do for the scrambles? Is it completely random moves with some discarding of choices (can't have R2 then R'), or is it a random choice among pre-determined scrambles? I have a hunch it's the first one, but I just wanted to make sure.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jwoelmer2" <jwoelmer2@...> wrote: > > another quick question: what do you do for the scrambles? Is it > completely random moves with some discarding of choices (can't have R2 > then R'), or is it a random choice among pre-determined scrambles? I > have a hunch it's the first one, but I just wanted to make sure. Well, what you normally do is get a random sequence of faces such that you can't have the same face twice in a row and you can't have something like R L R, and then you assign them a random turn value (for example, choose from R, R', R2). You can choose the turn values as you choose the faces or after you have the sequence of faces, depending on your programming style.

jwoelmer2 wrote: > another quick question: what do you do for the scrambles? Is it > completely random moves with some discarding of choices (can't have R2 > then R'), or is it a random choice among pre-determined scrambles? I > have a hunch it's the first one, but I just wanted to make sure. It's the former. You might benefit from reading the source code for some other cube applets on the web. Most of the current ones were derived from Kornell's original applet: http://www.javaonthebrain.com/java/rubik/ including: http://www.lar5.com/cube/downloads.html (from Lars Petrus) http://software.rubikscube.info/AnimCube/ (from Josef Jelinek) If you prefer to see code separated into different classes, then Lars' version may be easier to read. The others are crammed into a single class, optimised for size. There is also Werner Randelshofer's applet which is written completely from scratch, although its animation is not quite as smooth as the Kornell-based ones: http://www.randelshofer.ch/rubik/ -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

hold on, i'm growing mine, give me 3 months to catch up --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Haha I'd be up for that event, I could pull that one off ;-) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_3004108 > 4_886.jpg > > > > Yeah... new event anyone? > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

I found another solution : saying to windows that my keyboard is actually a qwerty English keyboard and it works. Stupid Windows :D Thanks anyway :-) Gilles 2007/1/16, Ryan Heise <ryan@...>: > > Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > > Would it be possible to create aw azerty equivalent ? > > Unfortunately, the Java API hides the physical location of the keys and > so I had to make an assumption that qwerty is used. > > There is one option for you, however: You can use an operating system > level utility to switch between keyboard layouts, then my applet will > work correctly. I don't know what the best utility is, but maybe this > list is useful: > > http://www.surfpack.com/software/changekeyboardlayout/ > > I will also eventually add configurable keys, but it will be another two > months before I have time to implement it. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Haha, I could totally do that. I used to do that to scare my brother when we were little. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_30041084_886.jpg > > Yeah... new event anyone? > > -Tyson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Isn't this the perfect blindfold ? :D Gilles 2007/1/17, striderxo <striderxo@...>: > > hold on, i'm growing mine, give me 3 months to catch up > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > cmhardw <no_reply@...> > wrote: > > > > Haha I'd be up for that event, I could pull that one off ;-) > > > > Chris > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Tyson Mao" > > <tyson.mao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_3004108 > > 4_886.jpg > > > > > > Yeah... new event anyone? > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

...and then back to the bottom of the list just as quickly. Rubik's cube, your 15 minutes are up.

http://www.speedcubing.com/records/recs_magic6.html Master Magic Máté Milán Mátyás Coincidence? Cheers! Stefan

Hi!! I just wanted to say that I know is part of the sub-25 average club. :-) I just got this average: Average: 24.75 seconds 22.68, 29.31, 22.74, 23.21, 22.66, 27.98, 24.13, 23.12, 26.23, 25.48, (29.84), (21.43) There were no lucky times. I have practice OH very much lately and I have managed to get a sub-10 average for LL one-handed. During this average the F2L also was very fast and I was able to look ahead much and the trigger were faster than ever. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest part of the solve > as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly :-(. > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the right too. > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH guys. > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the cube. > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused on solving the > cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is going to do that > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand thinking" > > Well, that's just my opinion. > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > Gilles > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > > Hi! > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Pedro > > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> escreveu: > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > > > Congratulations ! > > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > >: > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > > wondering > > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > --- In > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hmm, I came up with this theory a while ago. It used to be Máté in first, Mátyás in second, then Milán in third, and Máté has an accent in his last name also, so 1st place had an M and 3 accents, second had an M and 2 accents, and third had an M and 1 accent. That's why Bob's so far behind... I was discussing with a friend a while ago a strategy for improving the UWR for master magic. Our conversation was something like "So let's find a hungarian with his first name starting with M and tons of accents..." We got the weirdest looks from people who were listening in on our conversation... Tim --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > http://www.speedcubing.com/records/recs_magic6.html > > Master > Magic > Máté > Milán > Mátyás > > Coincidence? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

I've seen a tv appearance video of him recently but can't find it anymore. Where is it? Gah, should've been on the SCC news page... Cheers! Stefan

wow. Thank you guys a lot. All your tips have helped. Since I am in high school, I doubt it'll get finished in a month or two, unless my 6 AP courses magically lighten their homework load. Joshua --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > jwoelmer2 wrote: > > > another quick question: what do you do for the scrambles? Is it > > completely random moves with some discarding of choices (can't have R2 > > then R'), or is it a random choice among pre-determined scrambles? I > > have a hunch it's the first one, but I just wanted to make sure. > > It's the former. > > You might benefit from reading the source code for some other cube > applets on the web. > > Most of the current ones were derived from Kornell's original applet: > > http://www.javaonthebrain.com/java/rubik/ > > including: > > http://www.lar5.com/cube/downloads.html (from Lars Petrus) > http://software.rubikscube.info/AnimCube/ (from Josef Jelinek) > > If you prefer to see code separated into different classes, then Lars' > version may be easier to read. The others are crammed into a single > class, optimised for size. > > There is also Werner Randelshofer's applet which is written completely > from scratch, although its animation is not quite as smooth as the > Kornell-based ones: > > http://www.randelshofer.ch/rubik/ > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Haha...that was good : ) But I can't compete there...my hair is too short... Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_30041084_886.jpg Yeah... new event anyone? -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, I'm new to the group. I'm also new to speedsolving. Can anyone give me some helpful links that will help someone who can do the cube but not very fast(3-4min). Please include hints on hand position, finger techniques and exercises and any other hints you might have. Thanks for your time. Kwang Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: Haha...that was good : ) But I can't compete there...my hair is too short... Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> escreveu: http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_30041084_886.jpg Yeah... new event anyone? -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A guy used a drill to turn his cube 500 times in merely 10 seconds! It's an awesome way to test/worn down the cube, eh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQTPYsOP1Q -Harris

You can check out my guide: http://www.pjkcubed.com/rubiks-cube-beginners-guide.html<http://www.pjkcubed.com/rubiks-cube-beginners-guide.html> ----- Original Message ----- From: kwangsoo kim<mailto:kwangnj@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] blindfolded speedsolve Hello, I'm new to the group. I'm also new to speedsolving. Can anyone give me some helpful links that will help someone who can do the cube but not very fast(3-4min). Please include hints on hand position, finger techniques and exercises and any other hints you might have. Thanks for your time. Kwang Pedro <pedrosino1@...<mailto:pedrosino1@...>> wrote: Haha...that was good : ) But I can't compete there...my hair is too short... Pedro Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...<mailto:tyson.mao@...>> escreveu: http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_30041084_886.jpg<http://photos.pe.facebook.com/v62/125/12/1050240119/n1050240119_30041084_886.jpg> Yeah... new event anyone? -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/<http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Harris Chan" <takonan_mutoy@...> wrote: > > A guy used a drill to turn his cube 500 times in merely 10 seconds! > It's an awesome way to test/worn down the cube, eh? > > -Harris I don't know... if your cube isn't good enough you may have a serious broken/popped pieces situation on your hands. You wouldn't want to do this with a 5x5x5, for example...

Just watching an episode of family guy and the cube was in it when Brian is doing his military training.(13:52) Pretty funny episode too. http://cartoons.peekvid.com/s2473/e54221/ MATT

Dear Cubers, I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by layer. But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to eliminate parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. I am confident many of you would have tried already. I like to know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time taken. I am curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. J.Bernett Orlando --------------------------------- Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Bernett! How are you doing? This approah for 4x4 solving sounds difficult.. But hey, some ppl thought F2L was way to difficult to apply once :), so you can never be sure. If you hate parity, maybe you should try a cage method. If Per is about to finish his cage, and he has to swap UFr and UBr edges, then he can simply do once move: r, and that leaves him a 3-edge-cycle. He can do this, because at this point the centers are not solved yet. That is one of the benefits about doing centers last: easy parity handling. Good luck!! - Joël. P.S.: How is BLD cubing going for you..? Did you make any progress lately? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Cubers, > I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by layer. But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to eliminate parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. > I am confident many of you would have tried already. I like to know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time taken. I am curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > --------------------------------- > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

That's a pretty good idea... I wonder if it works to make stiff cubes a bit looser.. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Harris Chan" <takonan_mutoy@...> wrote: > > A guy used a drill to turn his cube 500 times in merely 10 seconds! > It's an awesome way to test/worn down the cube, eh? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEQTPYsOP1Q > > > -Harris >

Hi Bernett!! Explain to me how this would eliminate "parity" - having to swap 2 singular edges occasionally!! Even if you proceed by building those 2x2x2 blocks around d corners u cannot be sure the situation never arises. Or if i'm wrong please explain to me why im wrong about this. No matter what method/procedure you may try the "parity" is bound to show its ugly head in one way or another, unless somehow being able to "see" parity before doing anything and do some adjustment (inner layer quarterturn) at the very beginning ;-) On the other hand reducing to 2x2x2 is not feasible. Recognition is too terrible even for those used to pair up edges and no do "direct solving" :-o -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Cubers, > I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by layer. But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to eliminate parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. > I am confident many of you would have tried already. I like to know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time taken. I am curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > --------------------------------- > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Explain to me how this would eliminate "parity" - having to swap 2 > singular edges occasionally!! Even if you proceed by building those > 2x2x2 blocks around d corners u cannot be sure the situation never > arises. Or if i'm wrong please explain to me why im wrong about this. - If you attempt to reduce a 4x4x4 to a 3x3x3, the pieces may not always fall into the 3x3x3 cube group, and in this case wouldn't be solvable using only 3x3x3 moves. - If you reduce a 4x4x4 to a 2x2x2, then the pieces will always fall into the 2x2x2 group, and can be solved using only 2x2x2 moves. On any NxNxN cube (N >= 2), the corners always follow the same restrictions, so there can't be any new corner parity issues introduced by larger cubes. And if you successfully bind the neighbouring pieces onto the corners so as to form a 2x2x2, you can be sure that those corner blocks will be solvable like a 2x2x2. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Wow ! Very nice Gunnar ! I am looking forward meeting you again in a competition. :-) Gilles 2007/1/17, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > Hi!! > > I just wanted to say that I know is part of the sub-25 average club. > :-) I just got this average: > > Average: 24.75 seconds > 22.68, 29.31, 22.74, 23.21, 22.66, 27.98, 24.13, 23.12, 26.23, 25.48, > (29.84), (21.43) > > There were no lucky times. I have practice OH very much lately and I > have managed to get a sub-10 average for LL one-handed. During this > average the F2L also was very fast and I was able to look ahead much > and the trigger were faster than ever. > > /Gunnar > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest part of > the solve > > as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly :-(. > > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the right too. > > > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH guys. > > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the cube. > > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused on > solving the > > cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is going to > do that > > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand thinking" > > > > Well, that's just my opinion. > > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > > > Gilles > > > > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > > > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > Pedro > > > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> escreveu: > > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > > > > > Congratulations ! > > > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw > <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com><no_reply%40yahoogr > oups.com> > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > > > wondering > > > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi!! Yes of course Ryan. But if you end up with 2 edges swapped you don't have those nice 2x2x2 corner blocks emulating a plain 2x2x2 cube in the first place. That's my point. The reduction to 2x2x2 may have to involve an edge swap - the parity. So you won't have an easier ride with respect to parities than for 3x3x3 reduction. Well except that you eliminate the permutation parity. You will still have the "orientation parity". Clear now ?? You eliminate one of the 2 parities of 3x3x3 reduction but you have a MUCH harder ride getting there. It can likewise be said that when you have reduced to 3x3x3 solving you also have no parities. It's just that sometimes it just SEEMS like it's "normal 3x3x3" solvable. The (2) parities may still be there. It's just like a 3x3x3 with 2 swapped edges or a singular swapped edge. A real 3x3x3 is not solvable when this happens (by wrong assembly) but the 4x4x4 will be because the "edges" are really 2 edges ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > Explain to me how this would eliminate "parity" - having to swap 2 > > singular edges occasionally!! Even if you proceed by building those > > 2x2x2 blocks around d corners u cannot be sure the situation never > > arises. Or if i'm wrong please explain to me why im wrong about this. > > > - If you attempt to reduce a 4x4x4 to a 3x3x3, the pieces may not always > fall into the 3x3x3 cube group, and in this case wouldn't be solvable > using only 3x3x3 moves. > > - If you reduce a 4x4x4 to a 2x2x2, then the pieces will always fall > into the 2x2x2 group, and can be solved using only 2x2x2 moves. > > On any NxNxN cube (N >= 2), the corners always follow the same > restrictions, so there can't be any new corner parity issues introduced > by larger cubes. And if you successfully bind the neighbouring pieces > onto the corners so as to form a 2x2x2, you can be sure that those > corner blocks will be solvable like a 2x2x2. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hi Everyone, This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the discussion to the Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would feel about having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, and I am working on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially have a pretty regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make an agreement until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this would be somewhat of a commitment. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, i posted before about my lubricant problem, and it jsut turns out i put too much and it takes a while to dry, so the motomaster silicone lube does work! Okay, now i have 2 questions. First, im averaging about 37-47 seconds and i cant seem to do F2L very fast (takes between 20-27 seconds) so i was wondering what does it take to get my F2L time down? And how do all of you recognize the patterns so quickly? Secondly, I make my cross on to top begin, is that okay or should i learn to begin with it on the bottom? Thats all for now, Thanks!

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Yes of course Ryan. But if you end up with 2 edges swapped you don't > have those nice 2x2x2 corner blocks emulating a plain 2x2x2 cube in > the first place. That's my point. The reduction to 2x2x2 may have to > involve an edge swap - the parity. The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem of joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with odd (incorrect) parity. This can happen in the 3x3x3 reduction because people don't know when they are joining the last edges together whether they are joining them with even parity or not. But in a 2x2x2 reduction, we KNOW exactly how each edge piece should be joined with the corner. Yes, suppose you solve all the edges except for the last two, and the last two are wrong. Then you just solve the last two edges, and that's that! Yes, there is a parity issue here, but it is not the commonly known "big cube" parity problem. In fact, this parity issue that you are referring to is just the normal one that can even occur in normal 3x3x3 cubes. Suppose you solve a normal 3x3x3 cube edges first, and you solve all of the edges except for the last two, but you find the last two edges swapped. What do you do? You just swap them! There's nothing special here, you swap them, while swapping two of the unsolved pieces in the process. In the 4x4x4, when you get to the last two edges, you can solve them while affecting two of the unsolved centres also. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hey Tyson, I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I brought this issue up before, we could have an event called the "US Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While Worlds will be towards the end of the year, we could make this tournament early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any help whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, just send me an email. Thanks. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> ; caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships Hi Everyone, This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the discussion to the Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would feel about having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, and I am working on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially have a pretty regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make an agreement until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this would be somewhat of a commitment. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Practice, Practice, Practice. All I can say is practice. As for the cross, I still do the cross on top first and then flip the cube. My friends have told me I should do it with cross on the bottom and it does have its advantages, but for me, it has become somewhat of a habit. Either way works, but you will have some advantages with the cross on the bottom. Rory mt_highest <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey, i posted before about my lubricant problem, and it jsut turns out i put too much and it takes a while to dry, so the motomaster silicone lube does work! Okay, now i have 2 questions. First, im averaging about 37-47 seconds and i cant seem to do F2L very fast (takes between 20-27 seconds) so i was wondering what does it take to get my F2L time down? And how do all of you recognize the patterns so quickly? Secondly, I make my cross on to top begin, is that okay or should i learn to begin with it on the bottom? Thats all for now, Thanks! --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss5GyooSByM Video is courtsey of Dan Dzoan. It should be noted that this event will NOT be sanctioned by the WCA. Ever. Thanks to Chris, Lars, and Bob for being such good sports. We picked you, because we knew you wouldn't sue us. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Now that was entertaining to watch! Rory Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss5GyooSByM Video is courtsey of Dan Dzoan. It should be noted that this event will NOT be sanctioned by the WCA. Ever. Thanks to Chris, Lars, and Bob for being such good sports. We picked you, because we knew you wouldn't sue us. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to the world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition then i can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some place like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you put into this Tyson! --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > Hey Tyson, > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I brought this issue up before, we could have an event called the "US Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While Worlds will be towards the end of the year, we could make this tournament early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any help whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, just send me an email. > > Thanks. > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y ahoogroups.com> ; caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > Hi Everyone, > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the discussion to the > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would feel about > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, and I am working > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially have a pretty > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make an agreement > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this would be > somewhat of a commitment. > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Rematch. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > Now that was entertaining to watch! > Rory > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss5GyooSByM > > Video is courtsey of Dan Dzoan. It should be noted that this event will NOT > be sanctioned by the WCA. Ever. > > Thanks to Chris, Lars, and Bob for being such good sports. We picked you, > because we knew you wouldn't sue us. > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > I've seen a tv appearance video of him recently but can't find it > anymore. Where is it? Gah, should've been on the SCC news page... > > Cheers! > Stefan > http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2791365 It's at the end...his Sunday Contest video (last one of 2006) that was on Youtube...by me =D ...then again I shoulda put the sub 12 one :( Harris

I need a new set of batteries... its usually a lot more powerful >:) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "chrisdzoan" <chrisdzoan@...> wrote: > > Rematch. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf > <enguarde1234@> wrote: > > > > Now that was entertaining to watch! > > Rory > > > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@> wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss5GyooSByM > > > > Video is courtsey of Dan Dzoan. It should be noted that this > event will NOT > > be sanctioned by the WCA. Ever. > > > > Thanks to Chris, Lars, and Bob for being such good sports. We > picked you, > > because we knew you wouldn't sue us. > > > > -Tyson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

anyone else seen the Hyundai tv commercial yet? I don't remember if someone mentioned it here before. it starts with about 5 or 10 seconds of someone finishing off a blindfold solve --there's no intro, I was just watching the news and then I was watching some guy finishing a blindfold solve, takes off the blindfold to see the cube solved and smiles at the camera -- then it flashes the message like "hey, we can't all be geniuses." and then explains why they think you'd be smart to buy their car. the cube definitely has a higher profile now than it did even a couple of years ago... Happy cubing! --Kirk

I think most would be interested in an annual event--myself included. I'm not so keen on Las Vegas, though--a lot of cubers are still in high school (some even younger), so the stuff on the strip is probably not the ideal environment for them. I don't care for it myself either. I'd prefer Southern California or even San Francisco. I think the Exploratorium is a decent venue, but this last event may indicate even that place may be getting small (but there's probably some way to set up more timers or something to move people through faster, or go back to 2 days so there's enough time for all the events). Of course, Boise is always a great option, imo. ;-) or maybe alternate coasts each year. big picture, i think it's a great idea. just need to work out the logistics... --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" <richard16meyer@...> wrote: > > I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to the > world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals > alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition then i > can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be > pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some place > like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you put > into this Tyson! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Hey Tyson, > > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I > brought this issue up before, we could have an event called the "US > Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While Worlds > will be towards the end of the year, we could make this tournament > early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any help > whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, just > send me an email. > > > > Thanks. > > Pat > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@> > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ y > ahoogroups.com> ; > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the > discussion to the > > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would feel > about > > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, and I > am working > > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially > have a pretty > > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make an > agreement > > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this would > be > > somewhat of a commitment. > > > > -Tyson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

As a high school student, I'd like to touch on that. Kirk is right that it might be difficult for younger cubers, such as myself, to go to Vegas. I have been to Vegas twice and enjoyed it very much. I know that my parents would not let me go unless I was either with one of them or with a friend and one of his parents. Also, they don't have to stay on the strip. There are plenty of hotels around that will be an easy drive, or possibly walk, to the competition. On the matter of what is on the strip, some of it can be a little much for, say, a 15 year old. You could always distract them with the Blue Man Group (if you haven't seen them in concert, GO!!! It's worth it!!!!) or mindless arcades (always fun). And if they're only in town long enough for the competition, they'll probably spend most of their time at the competition. However, Kirk is right, we can't over look the fact that Vegas has its negative influences on teenagers. Rory kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I think most would be interested in an annual event--myself included. I'm not so keen on Las Vegas, though--a lot of cubers are still in high school (some even younger), so the stuff on the strip is probably not the ideal environment for them. I don't care for it myself either. I'd prefer Southern California or even San Francisco. I think the Exploratorium is a decent venue, but this last event may indicate even that place may be getting small (but there's probably some way to set up more timers or something to move people through faster, or go back to 2 days so there's enough time for all the events). Of course, Boise is always a great option, imo. ;-) or maybe alternate coasts each year. big picture, i think it's a great idea. just need to work out the logistics... --Kirk --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" <richard16meyer@...> wrote: > > I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to the > world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals > alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition then i > can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be > pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some place > like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you put > into this Tyson! > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Hey Tyson, > > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I > brought this issue up before, we could have an event called the "US > Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While Worlds > will be towards the end of the year, we could make this tournament > early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any help > whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, just > send me an email. > > > > Thanks. > > Pat > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@> > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ y > ahoogroups.com> ; > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the > discussion to the > > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would feel > about > > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, and I > am working > > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially > have a pretty > > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make an > agreement > > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this would > be > > somewhat of a commitment. > > > > -Tyson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

could anyone please get me this video? I am planning to show some cool vids in a workshop for next week On 1/19/07, kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > anyone else seen the Hyundai tv commercial yet? I don't remember if > someone mentioned it here before. > > it starts with about 5 or 10 seconds of someone finishing off a > blindfold solve --there's no intro, I was just watching the news and > then I was watching some guy finishing a blindfold solve, takes off > the blindfold to see the cube solved and smiles at the camera -- then > it flashes the message like "hey, we can't all be geniuses." and then > explains why they think you'd be smart to buy their car. > > the cube definitely has a higher profile now than it did even a couple > of years ago... > > Happy cubing! > --Kirk > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I am sorry but I do not agree with you. If you build 2x2x2 blocks on the 4x4x4, you can indeed avoid the permutation parity but not the so-called "orientation parity". If you know a bit of 4x4x4 Blindfolded using 3 cycles, you also know exactly where each piece has to go. Therefore you avoid the "permuation parity", but you can still have an "orientation parity". I also do not think your comparison with the 3x3x3 is correct. When you solve edges first and that you find only 2 edges swaped at the end, this situation can be solved very easily by the move "U" (or R or whatever face you are working on), then transforming your 2 edge swap into a 3 cycle. For the bigger cubes, you can do as much Us as you want, you will never solve the parity with it. Gilles 2007/1/18, Ryan Heise <ryan@...>: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > Yes of course Ryan. But if you end up with 2 edges swapped you don't > > have those nice 2x2x2 corner blocks emulating a plain 2x2x2 cube in > > the first place. That's my point. The reduction to 2x2x2 may have to > > involve an edge swap - the parity. > > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem of > joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with odd > (incorrect) parity. > > This can happen in the 3x3x3 reduction because people don't know when > they are joining the last edges together whether they are joining them > with even parity or not. But in a 2x2x2 reduction, we KNOW exactly how > each edge piece should be joined with the corner. > > Yes, suppose you solve all the edges except for the last two, and > the last two are wrong. Then you just solve the last two edges, and > that's that! Yes, there is a parity issue here, but it is not the > commonly known "big cube" parity problem. > > In fact, this parity issue that you are referring to is just the normal > one that can even occur in normal 3x3x3 cubes. Suppose you solve a > normal 3x3x3 cube edges first, and you solve all of the edges except for > the last two, but you find the last two edges swapped. What do you do? > You just swap them! There's nothing special here, you swap them, while > swapping two of the unsolved pieces in the process. > > In the 4x4x4, when you get to the last two edges, you can solve them > while affecting two of the unsolved centres also. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah, I also pretty much agree with all of the points discussed so far. A big tournament every year would be great, and I definetely think it should be held over 2 or 3 days. This would provide for more time for events, and have more events in total. As for the location, I think it would be a good idea to switch it around each year. Las Vegas would probably not be ideal. So maybe, San Francisco this year, if we were to start it this year, and then somewhere on the east coast, then possibly southern California, etc. This way, more people would be able to participate in such large events. -Alexei Gousev --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > As a high school student, I'd like to touch on that. Kirk is right that it might be difficult for younger cubers, such as myself, to go to Vegas. I have been to Vegas twice and enjoyed it very much. I know that my parents would not let me go unless I was either with one of them or with a friend and one of his parents. Also, they don't have to stay on the strip. There are plenty of hotels around that will be an easy drive, or possibly walk, to the competition. On the matter of what is on the strip, some of it can be a little much for, say, a 15 year old. You could always distract them with the Blue Man Group (if you haven't seen them in concert, GO!!! It's worth it!!!!) or mindless arcades (always fun). And if they're only in town long enough for the competition, they'll probably spend most of their time at the competition. However, Kirk is right, we can't over look the fact that Vegas has its negative influences on teenagers. > > Rory > > kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I think most would be interested in an annual event--myself > included. > > I'm not so keen on Las Vegas, though--a lot of cubers are still in > high school (some even younger), so the stuff on the strip is > probably not the ideal environment for them. I don't care for it > myself either. I'd prefer Southern California or even San > Francisco. I think the Exploratorium is a decent venue, but this > last event may indicate even that place may be getting small (but > there's probably some way to set up more timers or something to move > people through faster, or go back to 2 days so there's enough time > for all the events). > > Of course, Boise is always a great option, imo. ;-) > > or maybe alternate coasts each year. > > big picture, i think it's a great idea. just need to work out the > logistics... > --Kirk > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to > the > > world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals > > alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition > then i > > can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be > > pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some place > > like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you put > > into this Tyson! > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Tyson, > > > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I > > brought this issue up before, we could have an event called > the "US > > Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While > Worlds > > will be towards the end of the year, we could make this tournament > > early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any help > > whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, > just > > send me an email. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@> > > > To: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ > y > > ahoogroups.com> ; > > > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the > > discussion to the > > > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would > feel > > about > > > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > > > > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, > and I > > am working > > > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially > > have a pretty > > > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make > an > > agreement > > > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this > would > > be > > > somewhat of a commitment. > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Hi :-) Ok Ryan, i suggest you have a go at reducing to 2x2x2 from 4x4x4. let me know if you find a way to avoid "parity" - swapping 2 edges. My bet is that you will realise you were wrong about the parity. In fact the parity will be much worse to fix with those 2x2x2 blocks. Chris' or Fredericks "edge-swap" does mess with centers. But for 3x3x3 reduction you will not see this because similar color centers are being swapped. With 2x2x2 blocks this may involve 2 center swaps with 4 different colors involved! Of course this is fixable with a supergroup algorithm like (R L U2 R' L' U)*2. But the whole parity fix becomes lenghty and quite nasty. The 5x5x5 supercube actually does not have a "pure edge parity". If 2 outer edges need to be swapped you will also see this as 2 edge- centers being swapped too. The inner layer turn r,l,u,d or whatever that caused the edge-parity has the following cyclical decomposition: wing edges : 1 4-cycle, odd permutation > parity corner centers: 2 4-cycles, even permutation > no parity edge centers: 1 4-cycle, odd permutation > parity Kind regards, Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > Yes of course Ryan. But if you end up with 2 edges swapped you don't > > have those nice 2x2x2 corner blocks emulating a plain 2x2x2 cube in > > the first place. That's my point. The reduction to 2x2x2 may have to > > involve an edge swap - the parity. > > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem of > joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with odd > (incorrect) parity. > > This can happen in the 3x3x3 reduction because people don't know when > they are joining the last edges together whether they are joining them > with even parity or not. But in a 2x2x2 reduction, we KNOW exactly how > each edge piece should be joined with the corner. > > Yes, suppose you solve all the edges except for the last two, and > the last two are wrong. Then you just solve the last two edges, and > that's that! Yes, there is a parity issue here, but it is not the > commonly known "big cube" parity problem. > > In fact, this parity issue that you are referring to is just the normal > one that can even occur in normal 3x3x3 cubes. Suppose you solve a > normal 3x3x3 cube edges first, and you solve all of the edges except for > the last two, but you find the last two edges swapped. What do you do? > You just swap them! There's nothing special here, you swap them, while > swapping two of the unsolved pieces in the process. > > In the 4x4x4, when you get to the last two edges, you can solve them > while affecting two of the unsolved centres also. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

If you would turn a 4x4x4 into a 2x2x2 wouldn't you get possibilities for (other) parities also? It is an interesting approach, but I don't think it will ever be fast. Jaap Scherphuis had a nice challenge that might be relevant to this approach that would avoid such parities: First scramble as a 2x2x2 (only inner slices), then as a 3x3x3 (only outer layers). Solve as a 3x3x3 first, then as a 2x2x2. --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] can 444 be solved as 222 ? Datum: 18/01/07 01:01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Cubers, > I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by layer. But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to eliminate parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. > I am confident many of you would have tried already. I like to know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time taken. I am curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > --------------------------------- > Here�s a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

You are wrong, I would REALLY like to do this with a 5x5x5. It will either: 1) Become much smoother 2) Result in the best pop I have ever seen --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: Cube "turner" (worning it out?!) Datum: 17/01/07 20:40 > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Harris Chan" > <takonan_mutoy@...> wrote: > > > > A guy used a drill to turn his cube 500 times in merely 10 seconds! > > It's an awesome way to test/worn down the cube, eh? > > > > -Harris > > I don't know... if your cube isn't good enough you may have a serious > broken/popped pieces situation on your hands. You wouldn't want to do > this with a 5x5x5, for example... ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

Congratulations! Being sub 25 OH is still a long way to go for me. I am still using keyhole/working corner + 4 look last layer and average just below 60 with this. My solve would break down like F2L: 40s, LL: 20s, which is 67%, 33%. Your solve breaks down like F2L: 15s, LL: 10s, which is 60%, 40%. This either means my F2L is slow and LL is fast, or your F2L is fast and LL is slow. How do one-handed solves of others break down? --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR Datum: 18/01/07 08:32 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow ! > Very nice Gunnar ! > > I am looking forward meeting you again in a competition. :-) > > Gilles > > 2007/1/17, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > > Hi!! > > > > I just wanted to say that I know is part of the sub-25 average club. > > :-) I just got this average: > > > > Average: 24.75 seconds > > 22.68, 29.31, 22.74, 23.21, 22.66, 27.98, 24.13, 23.12, 26.23, 25.48, > > (29.84), (21.43) > > > > There were no lucky times. I have practice OH very much lately and I > > have managed to get a sub-10 average for LL one-handed. During this > > average the F2L also was very fast and I was able to look ahead much > > and the trigger were faster than ever. > > > > /Gunnar > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Gilles van den > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > > > > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest part of > > the solve > > > as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly :-(. > > > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the right too. > > > > > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH guys. > > > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the cube.. > > > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused on > > solving the > > > cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is going to > > do that > > > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand thinking" > > > > > > Well, that's just my opinion. > > > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, depending on how I > > > > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have the cross to > > > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because tsome > > > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > --- In > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > Pedro > > > > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right (just the > > > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from time to > > > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same thing... > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> escreveu: > > > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been reached. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations ! > > > > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw > > <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com><no_reply%40yahoogr > > oups.com> > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This seriously has me > > > > wondering > > > > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of one-handed cubing. It > > > > > > really seems like it might be possible based on those times. > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a lot to get near > > > > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Fale com seus amigos de gra�a com o novo Yahoo! 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Hi! I have tried both versions. 2x2x2 then 3x3x3 or 3x3x3 then 2x2x2 One was much harder than the other. I guess the latter was the harder one, but not quite sure. -Per PS! I cannot think of what other parities one would have by reducing to 2x2x2 first on a 4x4x4 randomly scrambled using allowed turns. > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen <avgalen@...> wrote: > > If you would turn a 4x4x4 into a 2x2x2 wouldn't you get possibilities for > (other) parities also? It is an interesting approach, but I don't think it > will ever be fast. > > Jaap Scherphuis had a nice challenge that might be relevant to this approach > that would avoid such parities: First scramble as a 2x2x2 (only inner > slices), then as a 3x3x3 (only outer layers). Solve as a 3x3x3 first, then > as a 2x2x2. > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] can 444 be solved as 222 ? > Datum: 18/01/07 01:01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Cubers, > > I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by layer. > But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to eliminate > parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. > > I am confident many of you would have tried already. I like to > know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time taken. I am > curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. > > > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 >

Hi :-) If you do f2l in the fridrich way with cross first then 4 c/e pairs i guess cross at bottom/right/left is faster than cross top. It's easier to trigger with many U turns than with many D turns :D For doing intuitive f2l i guess orientation won't matter too much. With "f2l" down it can be harder to track the cubies because cubies may more easily become "invisible" but one will also on the other hand have more D turns, same as i said for cross-first. There is not really a right or wrong here, it's just consensus that with cross not on top it will be faster. And besides, lookahead to OLL/PLL will be better with LL up ;-) ALL LL-algs i have seen on websites have LL up !!! In early 80's, when i started out, everyone finished with LL as D. Times have changed, quite literally too ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mt_highest <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hey, i posted before about my lubricant problem, and it jsut > turns out i put too much and it takes a while to dry, so the > motomaster silicone lube does work! Okay, now i have 2 questions. > First, im averaging about 37-47 seconds and i cant seem to do F2L > very fast (takes between 20-27 seconds) so i was wondering what does > it take to get my F2L time down? And how do all of you recognize the > patterns so quickly? > Secondly, I make my cross on to top begin, is that okay or should > i learn to begin with it on the bottom? > > Thats all for now, Thanks! >

Ahhh, finally, I'm part of the club too :D Average: 24.39 seconds Individual Times: 24.37, 26.24, 22.77, 25.79, 25.87, 27.76, (19.13), 21.01, 23.40, (31.54), 20.88, 25.84 On a sub 20 solve, F2L must be done in 10 seconds absolutely because I am still somewhat just over 10 seconds for LL on average. Really fast solves feature fast F2L and relatively basic OLL and PLL. But 25 seconds is totally reachable for nearly all cases now for me (exept a few PLL cases :-( I will look forward to do that in competition in 2 weeks in France. :-) My advice : lube your cube and burn your fingers :D I just burned my right index yesterday but nonetheless it doesn't seem to affect the times (ok it's not that bad but..still) :-) Gilles 2007/1/19, Avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > Congratulations! > > Being sub 25 OH is still a long way to go for me. I am still using > keyhole/working corner + 4 look last layer and average just below 60 with > this. > > My solve would break down like F2L: 40s, LL: 20s, which is 67%, 33%. > Your solve breaks down like F2L: 15s, LL: 10s, which is 60%, 40%. > > This either means my F2L is slow and LL is fast, or your F2L is fast and > LL > is slow. > > How do one-handed solves of others break down? > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR > Datum: 18/01/07 08:32 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow ! > > Very nice Gunnar ! > > > > I am looking forward meeting you again in a competition. :-) > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/17, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...u.se<gunkr520%40student.liu.se> > >: > > > > > > Hi!! > > > > > > I just wanted to say that I know is part of the sub-25 average > club. > > > :-) I just got this average: > > > > > > Average: 24.75 seconds > > > 22.68, 29.31, 22.74, 23.21, 22.66, 27.98, 24.13, 23.12, 26.23, > 25.48, > > > (29.84), (21.43) > > > > > > There were no lucky times. I have practice OH very much lately and > I > > > have managed to get a sub-10 average for LL one-handed. During this > > > average the F2L also was very fast and I was able to look ahead > much > > > and the trigger were faster than ever. > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > &gt; "Gilles van den > > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > > > > > > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest > part > of > > > the solve > > > > as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly > :-(. > > > > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the right > too. > > > > > > > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH guys. > > > > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the > cube.. > > > > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused > on > > > solving the > > > > cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is > going to > > > do that > > > > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand > thinking" > > > > > > > > Well, that's just my opinion. > > > > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...>: > > > &gt; > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, > depending > on how I > > > > > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have > the > cross to > > > > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, because > tsome > > > > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > &gt; > > --- In > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > Pedro > > > > > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a thing... > > > > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on right > (just the > > > > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from > time > to > > > > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same > thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> > escreveu: > > > > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > > > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been > reached. > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations ! > > > > > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw > > > &lt;no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com><no_reply%40yahoogr > > > oups.com> > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This > seriously has me > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of > one-handed cubing. It > > > > > > > really seems like it might be possible based on > those times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > &lt;speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice a > lot to get near > > > > > > > that...oh, well... > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! > Messenger > > > > > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > I am sorry but I do not agree with you. > If you build 2x2x2 blocks on the 4x4x4, you can indeed avoid the permutation > parity but not the so-called "orientation parity". I think this little argument has stemmed from a blurred definition of "orientation parity". I think we need a different name for different things. This "orientation parity" is really more precisely named: the "pseudo 3x3x3 edge orientation parity". That is, it occurs when the pseudo edges of a pseudo 3x3x3 have an odd orientation parity. And the "permutation parity" is really more precisely named: the "pseudo 3x3x3 permutation parity". That is, it occurs when the pseudo pieces of a pseudo 3x3x3 have an odd permutation parity. Both of these pseudo parity problems are unique to pseudo cubes. Then there are normal (non-pseudo) parities, involving the actual (not pseudo) pieces. Unlike the pseudo parity problems where the whole pseudo cube has an odd parity, in normal (non-pseudo) parity problems, the whole cube has (it must!) an even parity, but an even number of categories of pieces each have an odd parity (giving a total even parity). We don't normally consider these "problems". The only place I've heard these described as "problems" is in blindfolded cubing where many people (except perhaps Stefan) prefer to use algorithms that preserve the parity of each individual category of pieces. Obviously, in say the 3x3x3, this only works in half of the cases, and in the other half, these people say it's a "problem" :-) (and I understand that, but it's not the problem J.Bernett was trying to avoid at all.) Then, also, there is this parity problem in the 4x4x4 cubes which comes from doing centres first: the "indeterminate centre parity problem". That is, we can't tell if they have an even permutation parity just by looking at them. But we can avoid the problem by doing the centres last. As long as everything else is ok, we know that the centres must be even. Ok, so now we have different names for different things, and I can finally say this: The pseudo 3x3x3 edge orientation parity problem cannot occur in a reduction to a pseudo 2x2x2 simply since a pseudo 2x2x2 doesn't have pseudo edges, and there is also no pseudo corner parity problem since corners always follow the same restrictions on any NxNxN cube (N >= 2). If there is a parity problem, it's just not a pseudo parity problem and is obviously not what J.Bernett's 2x2x2 reduction was intended to avoid. I'm sure many people have seen the reduction to a pseudo 2x2x2 cube as a way to avoid the pseudo 3x3x3 parity problems (and in fact all pseudo parity problems). These strategies are not intended to eliminate all parity issues altogether, though. As you know, that's impossible. They are just intended to eliminate the pseudo parity problems. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

My post came a little late, I didn't think parities through like it has been done in the previous threads. I could however see that parities would occur and could not be fixed with the "standard" algs. I use a 4 look last layer and I hate OLL-parity, but PLL-parity is just another edge-cycle to me that doesn't hurt my time at all. I think the only way to do OLL-parity without losing time is to keep some LL-edges disconnected untill you reach the 3x3x3 LL part of your solve. Than you can connected the last edges AND solve OLL-parity in 1 step with only a few algorithms. You would loose some time during OLL, but you would win some time during the earlier edge pairing. (You could also develop OLL algorithms that include the OLL-parity fix, but that would require very many new algorithms) --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] can 444 be solved as 222 ? Datum: 19/01/07 04:06 > > Hi! > > I have tried both versions. > 2x2x2 then 3x3x3 or > 3x3x3 then 2x2x2 > > One was much harder than the other. I guess the latter was the harder > one, but not quite sure. > > -Per > > PS! I cannot think of what other parities one would have by reducing > to 2x2x2 first on a 4x4x4 randomly scrambled using allowed turns. > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Avgalen > <avgalen@...> wrote: > > > > If you would turn a 4x4x4 into a 2x2x2 wouldn't you get > possibilities for > > (other) parities also? It is an interesting approach, but I don't > think it > > will ever be fast. > > > > Jaap Scherphuis had a nice challenge that might be relevant to this > approach > > that would avoid such parities: First scramble as a 2x2x2 (only > inner > > slices), then as a 3x3x3 (only outer layers). Solve as a 3x3x3 > first, then > > as a 2x2x2. > > > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] can 444 be solved as 222 ? > > Datum: 18/01/07 01:01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Cubers, > > > I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by > layer. > > But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to > eliminate > > parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. > > > I am confident many of you would have tried already. I > like to > > know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time > taken. I am > > curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. > > > > > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! > Answers > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

I started cubing when I was 10 (1986) and the only method I could find (all layer by layer) had LL on top. LL was: 1. Edge Orientation, 2. Edge Permutation, 3. Corner Permutation, 4. Corner Orientation. Step 4 literally twisted 1 corner at a time using (F D F' D')*2. As soon as I started speedsolving (2006) I turned the cube upside down for step 4 and did (R U R' U')*2. Times had changed for me, but the other way around! (just to be clear, I don't use that method anymore and I keep LL on top all the time now) --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: 2 questions. Datum: 19/01/07 04:37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi :-) > > If you do f2l in the fridrich way with cross first then 4 c/e pairs i > guess cross at bottom/right/left is faster than cross top. It's > easier to trigger with many U turns than with many D turns :D > > For doing intuitive f2l i guess orientation won't matter too much. > With "f2l" down it can be harder to track the cubies because cubies > may more easily become "invisible" but one will also on the other > hand have more D turns, same as i said for cross-first. > > There is not really a right or wrong here, it's just consensus that > with cross not on top it will be faster. And besides, lookahead to > OLL/PLL will be better with LL up ;-) ALL LL-algs i have seen on > websites have LL up !!! In early 80's, when i started out, everyone > finished with LL as D. Times have changed, quite literally too ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, mt_highest > <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > Hey, i posted before about my lubricant problem, and it jsut > > turns out i put too much and it takes a while to dry, so the > > motomaster silicone lube does work! Okay, now i have 2 questions. > > First, im averaging about 37-47 seconds and i cant seem to do > F2L > > very fast (takes between 20-27 seconds) so i was wondering what > does > > it take to get my F2L time down? And how do all of you recognize > the > > patterns so quickly? > > Secondly, I make my cross on to top begin, is that okay or > should > > i learn to begin with it on the bottom? > > > > Thats all for now, Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL In any case : Congratulations again :-) Gilles 2007/1/19, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: > > Ahhh, finally, I'm part of the club too :D > > Average: 24.39 seconds > Individual Times: 24.37, 26.24, 22.77, 25.79, 25.87, 27.76, (19.13), 21.01, > 23.40, (31.54), 20.88, 25.84 > > On a sub 20 solve, F2L must be done in 10 seconds absolutely because I am > still somewhat just over 10 seconds for LL on average. > > Really fast solves feature fast F2L and relatively basic OLL and PLL. But > 25 seconds is totally reachable for nearly all cases now for me (exept a few > PLL cases :-( > > I will look forward to do that in competition in 2 weeks in France. :-) > > My advice : lube your cube and burn your fingers :D > I just burned my right index yesterday but nonetheless it doesn't seem to > affect the times (ok it's not that bad but..still) :-) > > Gilles > > 2007/1/19, Avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > > > Congratulations! > > > > Being sub 25 OH is still a long way to go for me. I am still using > > keyhole/working corner + 4 look last layer and average just below 60 > > with > > this. > > > > My solve would break down like F2L: 40s, LL: 20s, which is 67%, 33%. > > Your solve breaks down like F2L: 15s, LL: 10s, which is 60%, 40%. > > > > This either means my F2L is slow and LL is fast, or your F2L is fast and > > LL > > is slow. > > > > How do one-handed solves of others break down? > > > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR > > Datum: 18/01/07 08:32 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow ! > > > Very nice Gunnar ! > > > > > > I am looking forward meeting you again in a competition. :-) > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > 2007/1/17, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...<gunkr520%40student.liu.se> > > >: > > > > > > > > Hi!! > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say that I know is part of the sub-25 average > > club. > > > > :-) I just got this average: > > > > > > > > Average: 24.75 seconds > > > > 22.68, 29.31, 22.74, 23.21, 22.66, 27.98, 24.13, 23.12, 26.23, > > 25.48, > > > > (29.84), (21.43) > > > > > > > > There were no lucky times. I have practice OH very much lately > > and I > > > > have managed to get a sub-10 average for LL one-handed. During > > this > > > > average the F2L also was very fast and I was able to look ahead > > much > > > > and the trigger were faster than ever. > > > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > &gt; > > > > --- In > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > "Gilles van den > > > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > > > > > > > > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest > > part > > of > > > > the solve > > > > > as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly > > :-(. > > > > > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the > > right > > too. > > > > > > > > > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH > > guys. > > > > > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the > > cube.. > > > &gt; > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused > > on > > > > solving the > > > > > cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is > > going to > > > > do that > > > > > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand > > thinking" > > > &gt; > > > > > > Well, that's just my opinion. > > > > > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig <gunkr520@...&gt;: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, > > depending > > on how I > > > > > > can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have > > the > > cross to > > > > > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, > > because > > tsome > > > > > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > &gt; Pedro > > > > > > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a > > thing... > > > > > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on > > right > > (just the > > > > > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from > > time > > to > > > > > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same > > thing... > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> > > escreveu: > > > > > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > > > > &gt; I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been > > reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations ! > > > > &gt; > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw > > > > <no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com><no_reply%40yahoogr > > > > oups.com> > > > > > > >: > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This > > seriously has me > > > > > > wondering > > > > > > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of > > one-handed cubing. It > > > > > > > > really seems like it might be possible based > > on > > those times. > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > Pedro <pedrosino1@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > Wow! > > > > > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice > > a > > lot to get near > > > > &gt; > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! > > Messenger > > > > > > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Per and Ryan, A few minutes ago I solved a 4x4 by first making it into a 2x2. These were my experiences: - three 2x2x2 blocks were made without any problem, although it was very hard to find the correct pieces belong to the block - from then on my movements were so blocked that I had to use 3-cycles (for centers and for edge pieces) to make three more blocks - the last two blocks I solved corners (already "solved"), then centers, then edge pieces all with 3-cycles. - solving these two blocks was a pain, because for some 3-cycles I had to do set up moves, where a few times I messed up the earlier blocks again - at the end of the blocks I had two edges pieces swapped, since this situation was not solvable with the earlier 3-cycles I considered this a "parity" and a "problem" - after applying the orientation parity algorithm some centers of other blocks were messed up again - after solving these centers again, the 2x2 phase was easy. My conclusion: bad system for 4x4. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Per Kristen Fredlund To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: can 444 be solved as 222 ? Hi :-) Ok Ryan, i suggest you have a go at reducing to 2x2x2 from 4x4x4. let me know if you find a way to avoid "parity" - swapping 2 edges. My bet is that you will realise you were wrong about the parity. In fact the parity will be much worse to fix with those 2x2x2 blocks. Chris' or Fredericks "edge-swap" does mess with centers. But for 3x3x3 reduction you will not see this because similar color centers are being swapped. With 2x2x2 blocks this may involve 2 center swaps with 4 different colors involved! Of course this is fixable with a supergroup algorithm like (R L U2 R' L' U)*2. But the whole parity fix becomes lenghty and quite nasty. The 5x5x5 supercube actually does not have a "pure edge parity". If 2 outer edges need to be swapped you will also see this as 2 edge- centers being swapped too. The inner layer turn r,l,u,d or whatever that caused the edge-parity has the following cyclical decomposition: wing edges : 1 4-cycle, odd permutation > parity corner centers: 2 4-cycles, even permutation > no parity edge centers: 1 4-cycle, odd permutation > parity Kind regards, Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > Yes of course Ryan. But if you end up with 2 edges swapped you don't > > have those nice 2x2x2 corner blocks emulating a plain 2x2x2 cube in > > the first place. That's my point. The reduction to 2x2x2 may have to > > involve an edge swap - the parity. > > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem of > joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with odd > (incorrect) parity. > > This can happen in the 3x3x3 reduction because people don't know when > they are joining the last edges together whether they are joining them > with even parity or not. But in a 2x2x2 reduction, we KNOW exactly how > each edge piece should be joined with the corner. > > Yes, suppose you solve all the edges except for the last two, and > the last two are wrong. Then you just solve the last two edges, and > that's that! Yes, there is a parity issue here, but it is not the > commonly known "big cube" parity problem. > > In fact, this parity issue that you are referring to is just the normal > one that can even occur in normal 3x3x3 cubes. Suppose you solve a > normal 3x3x3 cube edges first, and you solve all of the edges except for > the last two, but you find the last two edges swapped. What do you do? > You just swap them! There's nothing special here, you swap them, while > swapping two of the unsolved pieces in the process. > > In the 4x4x4, when you get to the last two edges, you can solve them > while affecting two of the unsolved centres also. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"- after applying the orientation parity algorithm some centers of other blocks were messed up again" If someone has a 4x4 solver, it would be nice to have an OLL parity fix that only affects 2 center pieces. Thus avoiding the reconstruction of the blocks messed ud by the center movements. Gilles 2007/1/19, Ron van Bruchem <ron@...>: > > Hi Per and Ryan, > > A few minutes ago I solved a 4x4 by first making it into a 2x2. > These were my experiences: > - three 2x2x2 blocks were made without any problem, although it was very > hard to find the correct pieces belong to the block > - from then on my movements were so blocked that I had to use 3-cycles > (for centers and for edge pieces) to make three more blocks > - the last two blocks I solved corners (already "solved"), then centers, > then edge pieces all with 3-cycles. > - solving these two blocks was a pain, because for some 3-cycles I had to > do set up moves, where a few times I messed up the earlier blocks again > - at the end of the blocks I had two edges pieces swapped, since this > situation was not solvable with the earlier 3-cycles I considered this a > "parity" and a "problem" > - after applying the orientation parity algorithm some centers of other > blocks were messed up again > - after solving these centers again, the 2x2 phase was easy. > > My conclusion: bad system for 4x4. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Per Kristen Fredlund > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 10:25 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: can 444 be solved as 222 ? > > Hi :-) > > Ok Ryan, i suggest you have a go at reducing to 2x2x2 from 4x4x4. let > me know if you find a way to avoid "parity" - swapping 2 edges. My > bet is that you will realise you were wrong about the parity. > > In fact the parity will be much worse to fix with those 2x2x2 blocks. > Chris' or Fredericks "edge-swap" does mess with centers. But for > 3x3x3 reduction you will not see this because similar color centers > are being swapped. With 2x2x2 blocks this may involve 2 center swaps > with 4 different colors involved! Of course this is fixable with a > supergroup algorithm like (R L U2 R' L' U)*2. But the whole parity > fix becomes lenghty and quite nasty. > > The 5x5x5 supercube actually does not have a "pure edge parity". If 2 > outer edges need to be swapped you will also see this as 2 edge- > centers being swapped too. The inner layer turn r,l,u,d or whatever > that caused the edge-parity has the following cyclical decomposition: > > wing edges : 1 4-cycle, odd permutation > parity > corner centers: 2 4-cycles, even permutation > no parity > edge centers: 1 4-cycle, odd permutation > parity > > Kind regards, > > Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Ryan Heise > <ryan@...> wrote: > > > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > > > Yes of course Ryan. But if you end up with 2 edges swapped you > don't > > > have those nice 2x2x2 corner blocks emulating a plain 2x2x2 cube > in > > > the first place. That's my point. The reduction to 2x2x2 may have > to > > > involve an edge swap - the parity. > > > > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the > problem of > > joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with > odd > > (incorrect) parity. > > > > This can happen in the 3x3x3 reduction because people don't know > when > > they are joining the last edges together whether they are joining > them > > with even parity or not. But in a 2x2x2 reduction, we KNOW exactly > how > > each edge piece should be joined with the corner. > > > > Yes, suppose you solve all the edges except for the last two, and > > the last two are wrong. Then you just solve the last two edges, and > > that's that! Yes, there is a parity issue here, but it is not the > > commonly known "big cube" parity problem. > > > > In fact, this parity issue that you are referring to is just the > normal > > one that can even occur in normal 3x3x3 cubes. Suppose you solve a > > normal 3x3x3 cube edges first, and you solve all of the edges > except for > > the last two, but you find the last two edges swapped. What do you > do? > > You just swap them! There's nothing special here, you swap them, > while > > swapping two of the unsolved pieces in the process. > > > > In the 4x4x4, when you get to the last two edges, you can solve them > > while affecting two of the unsolved centres also. > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "medaoufa" <medaoufa@...> wrote: > Where can you buy those light colors cubes: > http://www.olympicube.com/video/5_s.html Olympicubes aren't available yet. -- Johannes Laire

Switching it around yearly would be a good idea. I don't mind Las Vegas, but switching it around would allow easier access for others to make the event a fair location for all. Maybe start in Las Vegas, then move to maybe Austin, or Denver, then over to the east coast, etc. All those locations are debatable. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: agousev<mailto:agousev@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:27 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: US National Championships Yeah, I also pretty much agree with all of the points discussed so far. A big tournament every year would be great, and I definetely think it should be held over 2 or 3 days. This would provide for more time for events, and have more events in total. As for the location, I think it would be a good idea to switch it around each year. Las Vegas would probably not be ideal. So maybe, San Francisco this year, if we were to start it this year, and then somewhere on the east coast, then possibly southern California, etc. This way, more people would be able to participate in such large events. -Alexei Gousev --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > As a high school student, I'd like to touch on that. Kirk is right that it might be difficult for younger cubers, such as myself, to go to Vegas. I have been to Vegas twice and enjoyed it very much. I know that my parents would not let me go unless I was either with one of them or with a friend and one of his parents. Also, they don't have to stay on the strip. There are plenty of hotels around that will be an easy drive, or possibly walk, to the competition. On the matter of what is on the strip, some of it can be a little much for, say, a 15 year old. You could always distract them with the Blue Man Group (if you haven't seen them in concert, GO!!! It's worth it!!!!) or mindless arcades (always fun). And if they're only in town long enough for the competition, they'll probably spend most of their time at the competition. However, Kirk is right, we can't over look the fact that Vegas has its negative influences on teenagers. > > Rory > > kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com>> wrote: I think most would be interested in an annual event--myself > included. > > I'm not so keen on Las Vegas, though--a lot of cubers are still in > high school (some even younger), so the stuff on the strip is > probably not the ideal environment for them. I don't care for it > myself either. I'd prefer Southern California or even San > Francisco. I think the Exploratorium is a decent venue, but this > last event may indicate even that place may be getting small (but > there's probably some way to set up more timers or something to move > people through faster, or go back to 2 days so there's enough time > for all the events). > > Of course, Boise is always a great option, imo. ;-) > > or maybe alternate coasts each year. > > big picture, i think it's a great idea. just need to work out the > logistics... > --Kirk > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "richard16meyer" > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to > the > > world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals > > alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition > then i > > can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be > > pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some place > > like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you put > > into this Tyson! > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Tyson, > > > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I > > brought this issue up before, we could have an event called > the "US > > Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While > Worlds > > will be towards the end of the year, we could make this tournament > > early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any help > > whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, > just > > send me an email. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@> > > > To: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ > y > > ahoogroups.com> ; > > > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com><mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the > > discussion to the > > > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would > feel > > about > > > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > > > > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, > and I > > am working > > > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I potentially > > have a pretty > > > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make > an > > agreement > > > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this > would > > be > > > somewhat of a commitment. > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi every body .i just start learning the system Any advise you may give me(F2L). Thanks

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > My conclusion: bad system for 4x4. Whoa, that was a quick conclusion. Your experience (especially all the 3-cycles) sounded a lot like my first attempt to solve a UuRr scrambled 4x4 with those moves, took me 30-40 minutes. Then I found easier ways to do things and practiced quite a bit and got a 1:20- 1:30 average. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "medaoufa" <medaoufa@...> wrote: > > Hi every body .i just start learning the system > Any advise you may give me(F2L). > Thanks So practice and the existing tutorials didn't help? Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : > > 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D > 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL 3. Very darn close to violating the rules. Stefan

Another nice parity fix for this solution would be : Swap Ul with Ur, and swap the 2x2x2 block based on ULB with the 2x2x2 block based URB ISn't it a nice parity fix ? The algorithm must be long though... Gilles 2007/1/19, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Ron van > Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > > > My conclusion: bad system for 4x4. > > Whoa, that was a quick conclusion. Your experience (especially all > the 3-cycles) sounded a lot like my first attempt to solve a UuRr > scrambled 4x4 with those moves, took me 30-40 minutes. Then I found > easier ways to do things and practiced quite a bit and got a 1:20- > 1:30 average. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think a pretty much ideal place is in the Chicago region. Its in the midwest so its not too far from anyone, plus its a huge city with tons of things to do. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "agousev" <agousev@...> wrote: > > Yeah, I also pretty much agree with all of the points discussed so > far. A big tournament every year would be great, and I definetely > think it should be held over 2 or 3 days. This would provide for > more time for events, and have more events in total. As for the > location, I think it would be a good idea to switch it around each > year. Las Vegas would probably not be ideal. So maybe, San > Francisco this year, if we were to start it this year, and then > somewhere on the east coast, then possibly southern California, etc. > This way, more people would be able to participate in such large > events. > > -Alexei Gousev > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf > <enguarde1234@> wrote: > > > > As a high school student, I'd like to touch on that. Kirk is right > that it might be difficult for younger cubers, such as myself, to go > to Vegas. I have been to Vegas twice and enjoyed it very much. I > know that my parents would not let me go unless I was either with one > of them or with a friend and one of his parents. Also, they don't > have to stay on the strip. There are plenty of hotels around that > will be an easy drive, or possibly walk, to the competition. On the > matter of what is on the strip, some of it can be a little much for, > say, a 15 year old. You could always distract them with the Blue Man > Group (if you haven't seen them in concert, GO!!! It's worth it!!!!) > or mindless arcades (always fun). And if they're only in town long > enough for the competition, they'll probably spend most of their time > at the competition. However, Kirk is right, we can't over look the > fact that Vegas has its negative influences on teenagers. > > > > Rory > > > > kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: I think most would be > interested in an annual event--myself > > included. > > > > I'm not so keen on Las Vegas, though--a lot of cubers are still in > > high school (some even younger), so the stuff on the strip is > > probably not the ideal environment for them. I don't care for it > > myself either. I'd prefer Southern California or even San > > Francisco. I think the Exploratorium is a decent venue, but this > > last event may indicate even that place may be getting small (but > > there's probably some way to set up more timers or something to > move > > people through faster, or go back to 2 days so there's enough time > > for all the events). > > > > Of course, Boise is always a great option, imo. ;-) > > > > or maybe alternate coasts each year. > > > > big picture, i think it's a great idea. just need to work out the > > logistics... > > --Kirk > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > > > I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to > > the > > > world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals > > > alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition > > then i > > > can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be > > > pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some > place > > > like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you > put > > > into this Tyson! > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "PJK Sports > Cards" > > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Tyson, > > > > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I > > > brought this issue up before, we could have an event called > > the "US > > > Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While > > Worlds > > > will be towards the end of the year, we could make this > tournament > > > early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any > help > > > whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, > > just > > > send me an email. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@> > > > > To: > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ > > y > > > ahoogroups.com> ; > > > > > > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the > > > discussion to the > > > > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would > > feel > > > about > > > > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > > > > > > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, > > and I > > > am working > > > > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I > potentially > > > have a pretty > > > > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make > > an > > > agreement > > > > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this > > would > > > be > > > > somewhat of a commitment. > > > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Thanks! The case was fairly easy. I think it was a 4 move cross and so I was able to set up an F2L pair while forming my cross except by setting that up, it actually set up another F2L pair also so it was a little bit lucky. Also, if you watch the last F2L pair that I insert, I end up undoing those exact same moves as the first half of my OLL (anti sune i think?). So, if I had done a U' before inserting my last pair, I would have had a free OLL =p. Overall I was pretty lucky with the cases I had. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : > > 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D > 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL > > In any case : > Congratulations again :-) > > Gilles > > 2007/1/19, Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@...>: > > > > Ahhh, finally, I'm part of the club too :D > > > > Average: 24.39 seconds > > Individual Times: 24.37, 26.24, 22.77, 25.79, 25.87, 27.76, (19.13), 21.01, > > 23.40, (31.54), 20.88, 25.84 > > > > On a sub 20 solve, F2L must be done in 10 seconds absolutely because I am > > still somewhat just over 10 seconds for LL on average. > > > > Really fast solves feature fast F2L and relatively basic OLL and PLL. But > > 25 seconds is totally reachable for nearly all cases now for me (exept a few > > PLL cases :-( > > > > I will look forward to do that in competition in 2 weeks in France. :-) > > > > My advice : lube your cube and burn your fingers :D > > I just burned my right index yesterday but nonetheless it doesn't seem to > > affect the times (ok it's not that bad but..still) :-) > > > > Gilles > > > > 2007/1/19, Avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > > > > > Congratulations! > > > > > > Being sub 25 OH is still a long way to go for me. I am still using > > > keyhole/working corner + 4 look last layer and average just below 60 > > > with > > > this. > > > > > > My solve would break down like F2L: 40s, LL: 20s, which is 67%, 33%. > > > Your solve breaks down like F2L: 15s, LL: 10s, which is 60%, 40%. > > > > > > This either means my F2L is slow and LL is fast, or your F2L is fast and > > > LL > > > is slow. > > > > > > How do one-handed solves of others break down? > > > > > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > > > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR > > > Datum: 18/01/07 08:32 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow ! > > > > Very nice Gunnar ! > > > > > > > > I am looking forward meeting you again in a competition. :-) > > > > > > > > Gilles > > > > > > > > 2007/1/17, Gunnar Krig gunkr520@...<gunkr520%40student.liu.se> > > > &gt;: > > > > > > > > > > Hi!! > > > > > > > > > > I just wanted to say that I know is part of the sub-25 average > > > club. > > > > > :-) I just got this average: > > > > > > > > > > Average: 24.75 seconds > > > > > 22.68, 29.31, 22.74, 23.21, 22.66, 27.98, 24.13, 23.12, 26.23, > > > 25.48, > > > > > (29.84), (21.43) > > > > > > > > > > There were no lucky times. I have practice OH very much lately > > > and I > > > > > have managed to get a sub-10 average for LL one-handed. During > > > this > > > > > average the F2L also was very fast and I was able to look ahead > > > much > > > > > and the trigger were faster than ever. > > > > > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > &quot;Gilles van den > > > > > Peereboom" gillesvdp@ wrote: > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > Mirror Gunnar's answer and you have mine :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > I solve with the right hand and Cross is still the hardest > > > part > > > of > > > > > the solve > > > > > &gt; as it can be tricker friendly :-) or cube rotation friendly > > > :-(. > > > > > > For F2L, Usually Cross on the bottom but sometims on the > > > right > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that's the difference between sub and over 25 OH > > > guys. > > > > > > Sub25 don't care anymore about their hand but just solve the > > > cube.. > > > > > > When you reach between 25 and 40 : your attention is focused > > > on > > > > > solving the > > > > > > cube but still, you have to think a bit at how your hand is > > > going to > > > > > do that > > > > > > Over 40 : Most of the time is dued to "hand > > > thinking" > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, that's just my opinion. > > > > > > (I'm not sub 25 yet :-(((( ) > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > Gilles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, Gunnar Krig gunkr520@: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I do OH, I solve the cross on various sides, > > > depending > > > on how I > > > > > > &gt; can make the finger tricks the fastest. For F2L I have > > > the > > > cross to > > > > > > > the left (I solve with left hand) for some cases, > > > because > > > tsome > > > > > > > cases can be solved much faster that way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /Gunnar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > <pedrosino1@> wrote: > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > On the OH subject, let me ask you OH guys a > > > thing... > > > > > > > > do you feel sometimes that doing the cross on > > > right > > > (just the > > > > > > > cross, not the F2L) is easier? that happens to me from > > > time > > > to > > > > &gt; > > time...just wondering if anyone else has the same > > > thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > > > Gilles van den Peereboom <gillesvdp@> > > > escreveu: > > > > > > > > Wow, that's nuts... > > > > > > > > I think Arnaud's goal for sub18 has already been > > > reached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone trying sub17 ? :D > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > Congratulations ! > > > > > > > > I am far from any good times these days :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; Gilles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007/1/14, cmhardw > > > > > no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com><no_reply%40yahoogr > > > > &gt; oups.com> > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > Congrats Dan! Those times are crazy! This > > > seriously has me > > > > > > > wondering > > > > > &gt; > > > if sub-20 average are within the limits of > > > one-handed cubing. It > > > > > > > > > really seems like it might be possible based > > > on > > > those times. > > > > > > > > &gt; > > > > > > > > > Congrats again, that's absolutely amazing! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > <speedsolvingrubikscube% > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > > > > Pedro &lt;pedrosino1@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow! > > > > &gt; > > > > > Now that's crazy...I'll have to practice > > > a > > > lot to get near > > > > > > > > > that...oh, well... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pedro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > &gt; > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > &gt; > > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! > > > Messenger > > > > > > > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

What rules did I almost violate? I'm just curious because I watched it again and didn't see anything... Dan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : > > > > 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D > > 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL > > 3. Very darn close to violating the rules. > > Stefan >

Almost touched with your other hand at the start of inspection? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" <gvdlfs3@...> wrote: > > What rules did I almost violate? I'm just curious because I watched > it again and didn't see anything... > > Dan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : > > > > > > 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D > > > 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL > > > > 3. Very darn close to violating the rules. > > > > Stefan > > >

Oh, haha. I didn't even notice that. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "sccuber" <sccuber@...> wrote: > > Almost touched with your other hand at the start of inspection? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Dzoan" <gvdlfs3@> wrote: > > > > What rules did I almost violate? I'm just curious because I watched > > it again and didn't see anything... > > > > Dan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : > > > > > > > > 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D > > > > 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL > > > > > > 3. Very darn close to violating the rules. > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > >

Ron van Bruchem wrote: > - the last two blocks I solved corners (already "solved"), then > centers, then edge pieces all with 3-cycles. Of course, this means that you will run into: the "indeterminate centre parity problem" This is NOT a limitation of the pseudo 2x2x2 idea. It is a property of your "centres first" strategy. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > In fact the parity will be much worse to fix with those 2x2x2 blocks. > Chris' or Fredericks "edge-swap" does mess with centers. But for > 3x3x3 reduction you will not see this because similar color centers > are being swapped. With 2x2x2 blocks this may involve 2 center swaps > with 4 different colors involved! Let me describe a strategy that works: - First attach all the edges to the corners. - Second, attach the centres to the corners. - Third, solve as a 2x2x2. Now, let me describe which parity problems this avoids: - It avoids the pseudo parity problems. - It avoids the indeterminate centre permutation parity problem. Now, let me describe which parity problems this doesn't avoid: - The normal ones which are always present and impossible to avoid whatever method you use. I don't consider these really problems, they are part of normal solving and we have to accept them. Now, let me explain why I entered this conversation: - Because I saw an idea being shot down on false grounds, and I wanted to set the record straight so that people could open their minds to thinking about answers to J.Bernett's very valid question. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Chicago's always fun. Rory xkiesterx <kianb@...> wrote: I think a pretty much ideal place is in the Chicago region. Its in the midwest so its not too far from anyone, plus its a huge city with tons of things to do. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "agousev" <agousev@...> wrote: > > Yeah, I also pretty much agree with all of the points discussed so > far. A big tournament every year would be great, and I definetely > think it should be held over 2 or 3 days. This would provide for > more time for events, and have more events in total. As for the > location, I think it would be a good idea to switch it around each > year. Las Vegas would probably not be ideal. So maybe, San > Francisco this year, if we were to start it this year, and then > somewhere on the east coast, then possibly southern California, etc. > This way, more people would be able to participate in such large > events. > > -Alexei Gousev > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf > <enguarde1234@> wrote: > > > > As a high school student, I'd like to touch on that. Kirk is right > that it might be difficult for younger cubers, such as myself, to go > to Vegas. I have been to Vegas twice and enjoyed it very much. I > know that my parents would not let me go unless I was either with one > of them or with a friend and one of his parents. Also, they don't > have to stay on the strip. There are plenty of hotels around that > will be an easy drive, or possibly walk, to the competition. On the > matter of what is on the strip, some of it can be a little much for, > say, a 15 year old. You could always distract them with the Blue Man > Group (if you haven't seen them in concert, GO!!! It's worth it!!!!) > or mindless arcades (always fun). And if they're only in town long > enough for the competition, they'll probably spend most of their time > at the competition. However, Kirk is right, we can't over look the > fact that Vegas has its negative influences on teenagers. > > > > Rory > > > > kirk83616 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > wrote: I think most would be > interested in an annual event--myself > > included. > > > > I'm not so keen on Las Vegas, though--a lot of cubers are still in > > high school (some even younger), so the stuff on the strip is > > probably not the ideal environment for them. I don't care for it > > myself either. I'd prefer Southern California or even San > > Francisco. I think the Exploratorium is a decent venue, but this > > last event may indicate even that place may be getting small (but > > there's probably some way to set up more timers or something to > move > > people through faster, or go back to 2 days so there's enough time > > for all the events). > > > > Of course, Boise is always a great option, imo. ;-) > > > > or maybe alternate coasts each year. > > > > big picture, i think it's a great idea. just need to work out the > > logistics... > > --Kirk > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "richard16meyer" > > <richard16meyer@> wrote: > > > > > > I also would be very interested in this. It's hard to make it to > > the > > > world competition when it's over seas, and since US Nationals > > > alternate with it, if i can't make it to the world competition > > then i > > > can't make it to any major events that year. Las Vegas would be > > > pretty fun, though i think like New York or Chicago or some > place > > > like that would be really awesome. Thanks for all the work you > put > > > into this Tyson! > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > Cards" > > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Tyson, > > > > I would definitely be interested in an every-year event. I > > > brought this issue up before, we could have an event called > > the "US > > > Open" that alternates every year with the US Nationals. While > > Worlds > > > will be towards the end of the year, we could make this > tournament > > > early summer, maybe late May or early June. If you need any > help > > > whatsoever setting any of it up, I can help you out in any way, > > just > > > send me an email. > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@> > > > > To: > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ > > y > > > ahoogroups.com> ; > > > > > > caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com<mailto:caltechrubiks@yahoogroups.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:34 PM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] US National Championships > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > This mainly concerns US competitors so I'll be moving the > > > discussion to the > > > > Caltech group after this. I was wondering how people would > > feel > > > about > > > > having a regular tournament in Las Vegas every year? > > > > > > > > I know the East Coast people really wanted stuff out there, > > and I > > > am working > > > > on places such as Philadelphia or New York, but I > potentially > > > have a pretty > > > > regular opportunity in Las Vegas. Potentially, we could make > > an > > > agreement > > > > until 2011, but I wanted to gauge the interest because this > > would > > > be > > > > somewhat of a commitment. > > > > > > > > -Tyson > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Need Mail bonding? > > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! 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I'm going to test a different reply and see if this one works better :-) Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi Bernett!! > > Explain to me how this would eliminate "parity" - having to swap 2 > singular edges occasionally!! I think J.Bernett was talking about pseudo cube parity problems. Of course you can't eliminate having to swap 2 edges. This is true even on a 3x3x3. That doesn't mean that you can't avoid pseudo cube parity problems. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4 2nd comment down. MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) When I do world records I don't even say anything. So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy and is a very friendly guy to compete with. "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in EC? > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves there... 19.66

1 Toby Mao 14.82 2 Brian Kim 15.03 3 Leyan Lo 15.15 4 Chris Dzoan 15.73 5 Darren Kwong 15.75 6 Andy Tsao 15.81 7 Mateus Almeida 16.32 8 Brittany Dzoan 16.49 9 Frank Morris 16.83 10 Dan Dzoan 17.47 11 Ryan Zheng 17.69 12 Tyson Mao 19.36 Couple notes about this results. Final Round from the Caltech Winter 2007 competition was 12 people, not just 8. It was not a national championship. And the 12th place guy didn't do so well, but he's a loser anyway so we don't really care about him. Total competitors was 101, and spectator count over the course of the day was probably around 10,000 people with about 650 people watching during the final round. So there is certainly a lot of pressure. On 1/19/07, goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4 > 2nd comment down. > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in > EC? > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > there... > > 19.66 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>So practice and the existing tutorials didn't help? > >Stefan That is a real inviting response. To learn the F2L, I'd recommend checking out cubestation.co.uk . Click on the 3x3 guide on the left. If you need further help, feel free to ask. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "medaoufa" <medaoufa@...> wrote: > > Hi every body .i just start learning the system > Any advise you may give me(F2L). > Thanks So practice and the existing tutorials didn't help? Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dan, Congrats, very nice solve indeed, you deserve the WR. Good work. All the best, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Dzoan<mailto:gvdlfs3@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR Oh, haha. I didn't even notice that. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "sccuber" <sccuber@...> wrote: > > Almost touched with your other hand at the start of inspection? > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "Dan Dzoan" <gvdlfs3@> wrote: > > > > What rules did I almost violate? I'm just curious because I watched > > it again and didn't see anything... > > > > Dan > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "Stefan Pochmann" > > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "Gilles van den > > > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > After watching Dan's 17.90, I have 2 comments : > > > > > > > > 1. Damn good cases for Cross, F2L, OLL...and PLL :D > > > > 2. Too bad to lose about 1 second on a lock up during the PLL > > > > > > 3. Very darn close to violating the rules. > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That is a very good turnout, and a lot of competition! I am glad to see the competitions expanding so much. Keep up the good work Tyson. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR 1 Toby Mao 14.82 2 Brian Kim 15.03 3 Leyan Lo 15.15 4 Chris Dzoan 15.73 5 Darren Kwong 15.75 6 Andy Tsao 15.81 7 Mateus Almeida 16.32 8 Brittany Dzoan 16.49 9 Frank Morris 16.83 10 Dan Dzoan 17.47 11 Ryan Zheng 17.69 12 Tyson Mao 19.36 Couple notes about this results. Final Round from the Caltech Winter 2007 competition was 12 people, not just 8. It was not a national championship. And the 12th place guy didn't do so well, but he's a loser anyway so we don't really care about him. Total competitors was 101, and spectator count over the course of the day was probably around 10,000 people with about 650 people watching during the final round. So there is certainly a lot of pressure. On 1/19/07, goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@...<mailto:goodxy2002@...>> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4> > 2nd comment down. > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in > EC? > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > there... > > 19.66 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Stefan : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMEYsIxxML4 55th second That's also close to violating the rules :D Gilles 2007/1/20, PJK Sports Cards <pjksportscards@...>: > > That is a very good turnout, and a lot of competition! I am glad to see > the competitions expanding so much. Keep up the good work Tyson. > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tyson Mao<mailto:tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>> > > Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: New One-Handed WR > > 1 Toby Mao 14.82 > 2 Brian Kim 15.03 > 3 Leyan Lo 15.15 > 4 Chris Dzoan 15.73 > 5 Darren Kwong 15.75 > 6 Andy Tsao 15.81 > 7 Mateus Almeida 16.32 > 8 Brittany Dzoan 16.49 > 9 Frank Morris 16.83 > 10 Dan Dzoan 17.47 > 11 Ryan Zheng 17.69 > 12 Tyson Mao 19.36 > > Couple notes about this results. Final Round from the Caltech Winter 2007 > competition was 12 people, not just 8. It was not a national championship. > And the 12th place guy didn't do so well, but he's a loser anyway so we > don't really care about him. Total competitors was 101, and spectator > count > over the course of the day was probably around 10,000 people with about > 650 > people watching during the final round. So there is certainly a lot of > pressure. > > On 1/19/07, goodxy2002 <goodxy2002@... <goodxy2002%40yahoo.com> > <mailto:goodxy2002@... <goodxy2002%40yahoo.com>>> wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4< > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4> > > 2nd comment down. > > > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and > > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in > > EC? > > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > > there... > > > > 19.66 > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It's just funny to see how differently people react. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "goodxy2002" <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4 > 2nd comment down. > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in > EC? > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > there... > > 19.66 >

Oh I get it now. You just post those kind of comments to see how people react. That's interesting. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > It's just funny to see how differently people react. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "goodxy2002" > <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4 > > 2nd comment down. > > > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and > > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in > > EC? > > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > > there... > > > > 19.66 > > >

Well Ryan. The point is that u will encounter a parity at SOME point when u reduce to 2x2x2(50% of the time). Why is it so hard to admit ??? You can call the parity by whatever name you like, it's still there!! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Ron van Bruchem wrote: > > > - the last two blocks I solved corners (already "solved"), then > > centers, then edge pieces all with 3-cycles. > > Of course, this means that you will run into: > > the "indeterminate centre parity problem" > > This is NOT a limitation of the pseudo 2x2x2 idea. It is a property of > your "centres first" strategy. > > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Try to solve the cross on the left or on the front. It can help you with recognizing the remainder of F2L, and it will help you transition to a full-fledged cross down solve. I use it, and it helps me to achieve a 15-17 second F2L solve. As with your first question, you need to be patient and continue to work at what you find is slow. If there is one algorithm that takes you awhile, just because it doesn't flow nicely from your hands to the cube, just try to find another algorithm performing the same action, and just do it over and over, until it becomes muscle memory. Then you will be able to achieve very fast time, or so I have found. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > Practice, Practice, Practice. All I can say is practice. As for the cross, I still do the cross on top first and then flip the cube. My friends have told me I should do it with cross on the bottom and it does have its advantages, but for me, it has become somewhat of a habit. Either way works, but you will have some advantages with the cross on the bottom. > > Rory > > mt_highest <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hey, i posted before about my lubricant problem, and it jsut > turns out i put too much and it takes a while to dry, so the > motomaster silicone lube does work! Okay, now i have 2 questions. > First, im averaging about 37-47 seconds and i cant seem to do F2L > very fast (takes between 20-27 seconds) so i was wondering what does > it take to get my F2L time down? And how do all of you recognize the > patterns so quickly? > Secondly, I make my cross on to top begin, is that okay or should > i learn to begin with it on the bottom? > > Thats all for now, Thanks! > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Well Ryan. The point is that u will encounter a parity at SOME point > when u reduce to 2x2x2(50% of the time). Why is it so hard to > admit ??? You can call the parity by whatever name you like, I like to call it a parity, Per. (see message 32723) I also agree 100% with your point above. But... http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/32745 (please reply there, not here) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hi :-) I think maybe the confusion arises from what is meant by an edge. For those used to 3x3x3 reduction some like to think they are constructing "edges" whereas what they are doing is making edgepairs. For 2x2x reduction those edgepairs will not even exist. As for 2x2x2 reductions unsuitability as speedsolving method conclusions can be drawn not only from those few attempts made by some peop0le but also from theoretical points of view, especially with regards to recognition. If making theose blocks are possible without resorting to 3-cycle and parity fixes, that would really require exceptional lookahead and recognition. There's other ways of eliminating any parity that might work if spending some time making up nice algorithm. Personally i find the following promising: Start by completing 2 opposite layers. Proceed by "diffusing" the middle layers edges to their respective layers, such that 1 of those inner layer has all edges solved. Parity is now fixed by a quarter turn of that layer. It only affects unsolved edges/centers. Fix the rest by a few fast/easy 3-cycles on edges/centres. I know people have worked on very similar approaches to this already :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > I'm going to test a different reply and see if this one works better :-) > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > Hi Bernett!! > > > > Explain to me how this would eliminate "parity" - having to swap 2 > > singular edges occasionally!! > > I think J.Bernett was talking about pseudo cube parity problems. > > Of course you can't eliminate having to swap 2 edges. This is true even > on a 3x3x3. That doesn't mean that you can't avoid pseudo cube parity > problems. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hi :-) Yes, finding a method that eliminates all possible parities for 4x4x4 is a great idea. However, reducing to 2x2x2 is flawed due to many reasons already mentioned. I do believe that fast methods with no parity, or trivial parity fix(es) MUST exist. We have just not found them yet :-) Sorry if my constributions have been too strongly focused on the 2x2x2 reduction proposal and not the overall idea (which is not new at all). -Per > Now, let me explain why I entered this conversation: > > - Because I saw an idea being shot down on false grounds, and I wanted > to set the record straight so that people could open their minds to > thinking about answers to J.Bernett's very valid question. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but reading these posts made me think of this. Would it be a viable solution method for the 6x6x6 cube to reduce to a 4x4x4 cube? You could build 2x2 center blocks across the entire cube, then 2x1x1 edge pseudo blocks until you were ready to solve as a 6x6x6. This would leave you with all the parities of the 4x4x4 cube, and I don't think anything else. There would be the case where you would have to solve a 6x6x6 parity of the edges in order to create the last 2x1x1 pseudo edge block, but if you were smart about it you could save this step until the very end, solve it as a pure parity, and always avoid the 4x4x4 OLL parity case. You would still have the possibility of the PLL parity though, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway sorry if this has already been brought up, but I thought it was an interesting idea. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > Yes, finding a method that eliminates all possible parities for 4x4x4 > is a great idea. However, reducing to 2x2x2 is flawed due to many > reasons already mentioned. I do believe that fast methods with no > parity, or trivial parity fix(es) MUST exist. We have just not found > them yet :-) > > Sorry if my constributions have been too strongly focused on the 2x2x2 > reduction proposal and not the overall idea (which is not new at all). > > -Per > > > Now, let me explain why I entered this conversation: > > > > - Because I saw an idea being shot down on false grounds, and I wanted > > to set the record straight so that people could open their minds to > > thinking about answers to J.Bernett's very valid question. > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > >

like i said i want to learnd the fridrich method but its kind of hard to learn it alond so i try to find some 1 that know the method and have enagh time to video chat with me and teach me :-) if some 1 can help me plz post your msn,icq address or any other program you use or send it in a pm thanks RubikCubeFan100

Hi guys, This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all Maybe they play with cubes over there? Have fun, Ron

I also see that 72 visitors are from North Korea. I thougth they ddidn't have internet access at all in that country. /Gunnar --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi guys, > > This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: > http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all > > Maybe they play with cubes over there? > > Have fun, > > Ron >

Check cubestation.co.uk . ----- Original Message ----- From: rubikcubefan100<mailto:rubikcubefan100@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] hi i'm new here and i want to learn the fridrich method to slove the cube :-) like i said i want to learnd the fridrich method but its kind of hard to learn it alond so i try to find some 1 that know the method and have enagh time to video chat with me and teach me :-) if some 1 can help me plz post your msn,icq address or any other program you use or send it in a pm thanks RubikCubeFan100 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor their stats), Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off topic. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron<mailto:ron@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi guys, This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all> Maybe they play with cubes over there? Have fun, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Pat, Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these popups: use the script on my page. :-) I copied my script before the popup was added. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: PJK Sports Cards To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor their stats), Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off topic. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron<mailto:ron@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi guys, This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all> Maybe they play with cubes over there? Have fun, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Chris :-) Just to make sure i got you correct, you want to reduce to a 4x4x4 cube like so : 1+2+2+1 layerwise? I guess it's doable but i have a great doubt about it's speed compared with normal 3x3x3 reduction or also lbl methods. My cage method is a pseudo lbl method - centers last. There aren't many around who may have a go at such an approach, unless with gabbasoft or other computer simulation ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but reading these > posts made me think of this. > > Would it be a viable solution method for the 6x6x6 cube to reduce to a > 4x4x4 cube? You could build 2x2 center blocks across the entire cube, > then 2x1x1 edge pseudo blocks until you were ready to solve as a 6x6x6. > > This would leave you with all the parities of the 4x4x4 cube, and I > don't think anything else. There would be the case where you would > have to solve a 6x6x6 parity of the edges in order to create the last > 2x1x1 pseudo edge block, but if you were smart about it you could save > this step until the very end, solve it as a pure parity, and always > avoid the 4x4x4 OLL parity case. You would still have the possibility > of the PLL parity though, if I'm not mistaken. > > Anyway sorry if this has already been brought up, but I thought it was > an interesting idea. > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hi :-) > > > > Yes, finding a method that eliminates all possible parities for 4x4x4 > > is a great idea. However, reducing to 2x2x2 is flawed due to many > > reasons already mentioned. I do believe that fast methods with no > > parity, or trivial parity fix(es) MUST exist. We have just not found > > them yet :-) > > > > Sorry if my constributions have been too strongly focused on the 2x2x2 > > reduction proposal and not the overall idea (which is not new at all). > > > > -Per > > > > > Now, let me explain why I entered this conversation: > > > > > > - Because I saw an idea being shot down on false grounds, and I wanted > > > to set the record straight so that people could open their minds to > > > thinking about answers to J.Bernett's very valid question. > > > > > > -- > > > Ryan Heise > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > >

Wooo ... Norway has almost made as many visits as all of taiwan. Considering the number of active cubers this doe seem a bit strange. And no i only visit Ron\s site at most couple of times pr day, honestly :D -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Ron van Bruchem" <ron@...> wrote: > > Hi Pat, > > Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these popups: use the script on my page. :-) > I copied my script before the popup was added. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PJK Sports Cards > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM > Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor their stats), > Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off topic. > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron<mailto:ron@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y ahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > Hi guys, > > This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: > http://www.webstats4u.com/s? tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s? tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all> > > Maybe they play with cubes over there? > > Have fun, > > Ron > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > I think maybe the confusion arises from what is meant by an edge. Maybe you haven't noticed, but I have been using distinct terms to refer to edge pieces and pseudo edge pieces. And, I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean also when you talk about swapping two "singular edges". A singular edge is an "individual" edge piece, right? Now let me see if you're confused. Do you understand what I mean by "pseudo cube", "pseudo edge", and "pseudo cube parity problems"? Finally, can you tell me even just ONE sentence/paragraph of mine that you think is false, "quote" it, and tell me WHY you think it is false? Maybe you can start with my most recent email and work backwards until you find what you think is my fundamental error. (So far, your replies have generally glossed over what I've said, and you haven't challenged anything specific that I've said. Please quote something specific and respond to it.) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Are you referring to speedcubing.com , or do you have another site? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron van Bruchem<mailto:ron@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi Pat, Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these popups: use the script on my page. :-) I copied my script before the popup was added. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: PJK Sports Cards To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor their stats), Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off topic. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron<mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...>> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi guys, This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>> Maybe they play with cubes over there? Have fun, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

scc do you see popups? ----- Original Message ----- From: PJK Sports Cards To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: SPAM: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Are you referring to speedcubing.com , or do you have another site? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron van Bruchem<mailto:ron@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi Pat, Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these popups: use the script on my page. :-) I copied my script before the popup was added. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: PJK Sports Cards To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor their stats), Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off topic. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron<mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...>> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi guys, This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>> Maybe they play with cubes over there? Have fun, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey! I just found a great alg for one of the hardest LL cases. The alg orients the pi case for corners and preserves everything else in only 15 turns STM, 18 QTM (I'm not sure but as I remember I got 16 turns HTM from CubeX for this case). The alg is not only short, it's fast too =) The alg: B' U' R' U R U' R' U R2 B M' B' R' B M Do cube orientations to get the B-turns to the U-side for faster execution. The alg is based on two well knowned algs : F U R U' R' U R U' R' F' and B' R B M' B' R' B M but the first part is done as fron the backside of the cube and also mirroed to get the moves back to the right side and also saving two turns. I often trial for algs and find a lot of them but this was probably the first time I hadf a real WOW!! when I found it, (because I know this is a hard case). Any BLD cubers who like this? (I assume you do =) // Kenneth

No I don't. I'd be curious to look at the script. Can you please post it? However, if I remember right, in the TOS of webstats4u, you can't disable the popups. I am not positive if that was for this particular service. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron van Bruchem<mailto:ron@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? scc do you see popups? ----- Original Message ----- From: PJK Sports Cards To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: SPAM: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Are you referring to speedcubing.com , or do you have another site? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron van Bruchem<mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...>> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi Pat, Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these popups: use the script on my page. :-) I copied my script before the popup was added. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: PJK Sports Cards To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor their stats), Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off topic. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron<mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...><mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...>>> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? Hi guys, This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>><http://www.webstats4ucom/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>>> Maybe they play with cubes over there? Have fun, Ron [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On speedcubing.com I saw that the Caltech spring comp was in April sometime. Now it's not posted anymore. Did it get cancelled or what's happening there? Anyone know when the next comp is in the U.S and where?

I don't really like it...R, B, U and M turns...I prefer the one Joel posted a while back... R' U' ((R' F R F') (R U' R' U))*2 U R Pedro Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...> escreveu: Hey! I just found a great alg for one of the hardest LL cases. The alg orients the pi case for corners and preserves everything else in only 15 turns STM, 18 QTM (I'm not sure but as I remember I got 16 turns HTM from CubeX for this case). The alg is not only short, it's fast too =) The alg: B' U' R' U R U' R' U R2 B M' B' R' B M Do cube orientations to get the B-turns to the U-side for faster execution. The alg is based on two well knowned algs : F U R U' R' U R U' R' F' and B' R B M' B' R' B M but the first part is done as fron the backside of the cube and also mirroed to get the moves back to the right side and also saving two turns. I often trial for algs and find a lot of them but this was probably the first time I hadf a real WOW!! when I found it, (because I know this is a hard case). Any BLD cubers who like this? (I assume you do =) // Kenneth __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Yes, finding a method that eliminates all possible parities for 4x4x4 > is a great idea. J.Bernett did not say "all possible parities", he said 4x4x4 parities, which you are interpreting how you like, but I think it has a more obvious interpretation, based on common descriptions of the 4x4x4 parity problems you find on various 4x4x4 solution web pages. Even on Chris' page, this is what he considers to be the 4x4x4 parity problems: http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/4speedsolve3.html They are the pseudo 3x3x3 parity problems. Does anyone think "pseudo 3x3x3" is not a useful term to describe what's going on here? When we build a pseudo 3x3x3 with an odd orientation or odd permutation parity, then it is not solvable using legal 3x3x3 moves. This is the pseudo 3x3x3 parity problem. It is the typical one that people think about when solving a 4x4x4 by a reduction to 3x3x3. And it seems obvious that this is what J.Bernett means by 4x4x4 parity problems in his email. I am really surprised that people think he meant something different. Please tell me which points below you agree/disagree with: 1. By "4x4x4 parities" J.Bernett means the ones described on Chris' page. 2. The parity problems that I refer to as the pseudo 3x3x3 parity problems are exactly the same as the problems described on Chris' page. 3. Therefore, by "4x4x4 parities" J.Bernett is talking about what I refer to as the pseudo 3x3x3 parity problems. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Dear Joel & Per Uncle, Thank u for your replies. Infact, I do not know anything about it. It suddenly flashed in my mind that it may eliminate parity.But now I understood it will not eliminate parity. Anyhow, I want to try and see what best could be done. Could you explain me a method on how to dissolve it to 222 block? J.Bernett Orlando Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: Hi Bernett!! Explain to me how this would eliminate "parity" - having to swap 2 singular edges occasionally!! Even if you proceed by building those 2x2x2 blocks around d corners u cannot be sure the situation never arises. Or if i'm wrong please explain to me why im wrong about this. No matter what method/procedure you may try the "parity" is bound to show its ugly head in one way or another, unless somehow being able to "see" parity before doing anything and do some adjustment (inner layer quarterturn) at the very beginning ;-) On the other hand reducing to 2x2x2 is not feasible. Recognition is too terrible even for those used to pair up edges and no do "direct solving" :-o -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, JohnLouis Louis <pjlmem@...> wrote: > > Dear Cubers, > I hate parity in 444. So I tried to solve it layer by layer. But, the time taken is more for me. I think the other way to eliminate parity is dissolve 444 to 222 first and then solve it as 222. > I am confident many of you would have tried already. I like to know how far one has gone and succeeded. I do not mind the time taken. I am curious to learn how to dissolve 444 into 222. > > J.Bernett Orlando > > > > --------------------------------- > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Yahoo! Answers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

JohnLouis Louis wrote: > But now I understood it will not eliminate parity. Hi J.Bernett, I don't agree with Per. Here is a 2x2x2 reduction strategy that avoids parity problems: 1. Attach the edges using an algorithm to swap 2 edges and 2 centres. 2. Attach the centres using an algorithm that cycles 3 centres. 3. Solve the pseudo 2x2x2. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I got this one from Lucas: F (R U R' U') (R U R' U') F' (R U R' U') r (R' U R U' r') It's made from 2 fast OLL algos -Harris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > > I don't really like it...R, B, U and M turns...I prefer the one Joel posted a while back... > > R' U' ((R' F R F') (R U' R' U))*2 U R > > Pedro > > Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@...> escreveu: Hey! I just found a great alg for one of the hardest LL cases. The > alg orients the pi case for corners and preserves everything else in > only 15 turns STM, 18 QTM (I'm not sure but as I remember I got 16 > turns HTM from CubeX for this case). The alg is not only short, it's > fast too =) > > The alg: B' U' R' U R U' R' U R2 B M' B' R' B M > > Do cube orientations to get the B-turns to the U-side for faster > execution. > > The alg is based on two well knowned algs : F U R U' R' U R U' R' F' > and B' R B M' B' R' B M but the first part is done as fron the > backside of the cube and also mirroed to get the moves back to the > right side and also saving two turns. > > I often trial for algs and find a lot of them but this was probably > the first time I hadf a real WOW!! when I found it, (because I know > this is a hard case). > > Any BLD cubers who like this? (I assume you do =) > > // Kenneth > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/avoiding_parity_problems.html -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > "medaoufa" <medaoufa@> wrote: > > > > Hi every body .i just start learning the system > > Any advise you may give me(F2L). > > Thanks > > >So practice and the existing tutorials didn't help? > > > >Stefan > > That is a real inviting response. Well, d'uh. Just be proud of me for refraining from the name-calling he was begging for. I highly recommend http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php and the more comprehensive http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Cheers! Stefan

Maybe they looked already, maybe they didn't. You assume if they are asking, that they have already looked around and are now asking for advice. Either way, they were asking for advice, so why not give them some simple tips? Maybe they lack the ability to research. Most people are computer illiterate, so you can't assume they can find all the cubing pages about the F2L online. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 9:17 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > "medaoufa" <medaoufa@> wrote: > > > > Hi every body .i just start learning the system > > Any advise you may give me(F2L). > > Thanks > > >So practice and the existing tutorials didn't help? > > > >Stefan > > That is a real inviting response. Well, d'uh. Just be proud of me for refraining from the name-calling he was begging for. I highly recommend http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php<http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php> and the more comprehensive http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> Cheers! Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Of course if you use this strategy then you will not run into any parity problem. I agree with you now. But if you go back to "wings 3 cycles" and "centers 3 cycles" method, then a parity problem can appear. Do we agree on this ? Gilles 2007/1/21, Ryan Heise <ryan@...>: > > JohnLouis Louis wrote: > > > But now I understood it will not eliminate parity. > > Hi J.Bernett, > > I don't agree with Per. Here is a 2x2x2 reduction strategy that avoids > parity problems: > > 1. Attach the edges using an algorithm to swap 2 edges and 2 centres. > 2. Attach the centres using an algorithm that cycles 3 centres. > 3. Solve the pseudo 2x2x2. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I have made a special version of the Rubik's Cube Simulator that allows you to practice specific steps in your solution. It works by allowing you to input a set of generators, and will produce random scrambles from those generators. It may be difficult to get the hang of, but it can be a very useful training tool. http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/generator.html Try, for example: I, ENTER, J, ENTER (in other words, R and U moves) then hold down SPACEBAR for a couple of seconds. Then it will scramble in the 2-generator group. By carefully choosing your generators, you can for example generate PLL scrambles, or OLL scrambles, or F2L slot scrambles, etc. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hey Is there anywhere that i can read an easy tutorial on how to use acube 3 for windows? Thanks, Miles

Any cubers from detroit,MI?

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > You assume if they are asking, that they have already looked around > and are now asking for advice. Actually no I didn't. I don't assume, I read. And *if* you have looked around and weren't satisfied, *say so*. > Either way, they were asking for advice, so why not > give them some simple tips? Maybe they lack the ability to > research. I guess I'm just not the spoon-feeding-and-petting-you kind of guy, but the slap-you-in-the-face-so-you-start-thinking-and-become-able-to- do-things-on-your-own kind of guy. Oh hey wait a minute. My reply did give him two explicit pieces of advice: practice and look for existing tutorials. I guess after all I did try to help him get that ability to do research that you mentioned. On the other hand, there are people (won't say names) who just try to keep him "computer illiterate" by feeding him a link. Stefan

Is that the part where Lars says "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" ? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > You assume if they are asking, that they have already looked around > > and are now asking for advice. > > Actually no I didn't. I don't assume, I read. And *if* you have > looked around and weren't satisfied, *say so*. > > > Either way, they were asking for advice, so why not > > give them some simple tips? Maybe they lack the ability to > > research. > > I guess I'm just not the spoon-feeding-and-petting-you kind of guy, > but the slap-you-in-the-face-so-you-start-thinking-and-become-able-to- > do-things-on-your-own kind of guy. > > Oh hey wait a minute. My reply did give him two explicit pieces of > advice: practice and look for existing tutorials. I guess after all I > did try to help him get that ability to do research that you > mentioned. On the other hand, there are people (won't say names) who > just try to keep him "computer illiterate" by feeding him a link. > > Stefan >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Yucht" <mgyucht@...> wrote: > > Is there anywhere that i can read an easy tutorial on how to use acube > 3 for windows? I think there's no tutorial besides the ACube.txt file that comes with it. I recommend writing input into file in.txt and using this run.bat file: java -cp ACube3.jar ACube q a < in.txt > out.txt Then you just double-click the .bat and it produces the out.txt file. Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles Roux" <grrroux@...> wrote: > > Is that the part where Lars says "Build a man a fire, and he'll be > warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of > his life" ? Pretty much, yeah, except more like the original (with the fishing, or whatever it was). Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > But if you go back to "wings 3 cycles" and "centers 3 cycles" method, then a > parity problem can appear. Maybe you guys really ought to stop using the term "problem". It's highly ambiguous, mostly I think because it's a "problem" only for a specific method. And only by loose choice: why do you call something a problem at all when you actually have no problem solving it? Ryan did a good job offering several more precise terms in message 32723 but it might be better to explicitly abolish the word "problem" completely. Just talk about even or odd parity maybe? Cheers! Stefan P.S. Let me throw in the 4x4-via-pseudoDomino idea again.

You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online was correct? Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. If you are new to the community and you ask for advice and get a response that is almost a turn-away, you tend not to come back. We should be inviting Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > You assume if they are asking, that they have already looked around > and are now asking for advice. Actually no I didn't. I don't assume, I read. And *if* you have looked around and weren't satisfied, *say so*. > Either way, they were asking for advice, so why not > give them some simple tips? Maybe they lack the ability to > research. I guess I'm just not the spoon-feeding-and-petting-you kind of guy, but the slap-you-in-the-face-so-you-start-thinking-and-become-able-to- do-things-on-your-own kind of guy. Oh hey wait a minute. My reply did give him two explicit pieces of advice: practice and look for existing tutorials. I guess after all I did try to help him get that ability to do research that you mentioned. On the other hand, there are people (won't say names) who just try to keep him "computer illiterate" by feeding him a link. Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > was correct? I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I "believe" it. No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong indication that he had *not*. But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume more positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative information from negative evidence. > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single sentence, I call that an achievement. Cheers! Stefan

Stefan's answer was valid advice. There isn't any magical algorithm or technique that will suddenly make the Fridrich method easier to learn. It's all practice. If I were new to a community, usually I'd try to find out whatever I could on my own before asking such an elementary question. There are plenty of links on cubing around the web, and even in the Links section of this group. If he had provided some evidence of research or effort, e.g. "I tried this site and this site, but they don't really have what I'm looking for," or "I've been practicing for two months, but I don't seem to be getting any faster. Do you have any advice?" his question would probably invite a more helpful response. Shelley --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online was correct? > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. If you are new to the community and you ask for advice and get a response that is almost a turn-away, you tend not to come back. We should be inviting > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:26 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > You assume if they are asking, that they have already looked around > > and are now asking for advice. > > Actually no I didn't. I don't assume, I read. And *if* you have > looked around and weren't satisfied, *say so*. > > > Either way, they were asking for advice, so why not > > give them some simple tips? Maybe they lack the ability to > > research. > > I guess I'm just not the spoon-feeding-and-petting-you kind of guy, > but the slap-you-in-the-face-so-you-start-thinking-and-become-able-to- > do-things-on-your-own kind of guy. > > Oh hey wait a minute. My reply did give him two explicit pieces of > advice: practice and look for existing tutorials. I guess after all I > did try to help him get that ability to do research that you > mentioned. On the other hand, there are people (won't say names) who > just try to keep him "computer illiterate" by feeding him a link. > > Stefan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the paper is correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not 100% it actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly back up your assumption. Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on your response. You have to think like the person asking the question, and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted to give my .02 cents. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > was correct? I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I "believe" it. No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong indication that he had *not*. But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume more positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative information from negative evidence. > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single sentence, I call that an achievement. Cheers! Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

.02 cents != $0.02 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the paper is correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not 100% it actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly back up your assumption. > > Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on your response. You have to think like the person asking the question, and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted to give my .02 cents. > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > > was correct? > > I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I "believe" it. > No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know > the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed > yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. > > He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he > had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong > indication that he had *not*. > > But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume more > positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative > information from negative evidence. > > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. > > And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're > good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting > him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single > sentence, I call that an achievement. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > .02 cents != $0.02 > Verizon math! http://tinyurl.com/y2l36n

I was wondering if anyone else would bring up the Verizon thing :P

Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. That is like saying 2 dollars, or $2. .02 cents, or $.02 . Also Marcus, I never got a reply, it is no big deal, but figured I'd let you know. pjkcards[at]gmail[dot]com . ----- Original Message ----- From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system .02 cents != $0.02 --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the paper is correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not 100% it actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly back up your assumption. > > Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on your response. You have to think like the person asking the question, and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted to give my .02 cents. > > Pat > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@...> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > > was correct? > > I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I "believe" it. > No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know > the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed > yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. > > He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he > had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong > indication that he had *not*. > > But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume more > positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative > information from negative evidence. > > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. > > And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're > good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting > him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single > sentence, I call that an achievement. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is a weird discussion to watch. First, Bernett thinks reducing the 4x4x4 to a 2x2x2 might eliminate parity. Second, Per doesn't understand why, because you still might encounter the situation where you will have to swap two pieces. Once you have the 2x2, you won't have parity, but you might have to swap 2 pieces if you want to get there, which will still require some ugly long algorithm (unless you do centres last or something). Third, it kinda looks like Ryan is backing up Bernett, saying you won't have the parity as it occurs when you make a pseudo 3x3. > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem of > joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with odd > (incorrect) parity. Ok, here is where the confusion probably is. I think Per does not look at 'parity problem' this way. I think Per has a more 'pure' definition of 'parity problem', and for him 'parity problem' is just having to swap two pieces... A situation that can also occur when you want to make 8 2x2x2 blocks on the 4x4. Am I right Per? - Joël. - Joël.

Thanks, Harris! That's quite usefull. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Harris Chan" <takonan_mutoy@...> wrote: > > I got this one from Lucas: > > F (R U R' U') (R U R' U') F' (R U R' U') r (R' U R U' r') > > It's made from 2 fast OLL algos > > -Harris > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@> > wrote: > > > > I don't really like it...R, B, U and M turns...I prefer the one Joel > posted a while back... > > > > R' U' ((R' F R F') (R U' R' U))*2 U R > > > > Pedro > > > > Kenneth Gustavsson <kenneth@> escreveu: > Hey! I just found a great alg for one of the hardest LL cases. > The > > alg orients the pi case for corners and preserves everything else in > > only 15 turns STM, 18 QTM (I'm not sure but as I remember I got 16 > > turns HTM from CubeX for this case). The alg is not only short, it's > > fast too =) > > > > The alg: B' U' R' U R U' R' U R2 B M' B' R' B M > > > > Do cube orientations to get the B-turns to the U-side for faster > > execution. > > > > The alg is based on two well knowned algs : F U R U' R' U R U' R' F' > > and B' R B M' B' R' B M but the first part is done as fron the > > backside of the cube and also mirroed to get the moves back to the > > right side and also saving two turns. > > > > I often trial for algs and find a lot of them but this was probably > > the first time I hadf a real WOW!! when I found it, (because I know > > this is a hard case). > > > > Any BLD cubers who like this? (I assume you do =) > > > > // Kenneth > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger > > http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

If you write it down more friendly for my fingers, it's much better: F U R U' R' U R U' R2' F' R L 'U R U' R' L --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > Hey! I just found a great alg for one of the hardest LL cases. The > alg orients the pi case for corners and preserves everything else in > only 15 turns STM, 18 QTM (I'm not sure but as I remember I got 16 > turns HTM from CubeX for this case). The alg is not only short, it's > fast too =) > > The alg: B' U' R' U R U' R' U R2 B M' B' R' B M > > Do cube orientations to get the B-turns to the U-side for faster > execution. > > The alg is based on two well knowned algs : F U R U' R' U R U' R' F' > and B' R B M' B' R' B M but the first part is done as fron the > backside of the cube and also mirroed to get the moves back to the > right side and also saving two turns. > > I often trial for algs and find a lot of them but this was probably > the first time I hadf a real WOW!! when I found it, (because I know > this is a hard case). > > Any BLD cubers who like this? (I assume you do =) > > // Kenneth >

Ludicrous... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. That is like saying 2 dollars, or $2. .02 cents, or $.02 . > > Also Marcus, I never got a reply, it is no big deal, but figured I'd let you know. pjkcards[at]gmail[dot]com . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:26 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > .02 cents != $0.02 > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 > happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the paper is > correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not 100% it > actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in > Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you > make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly > back up your assumption. > > > > Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the > person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on > your response. You have to think like the person asking the question, > and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted > to give my .02 cents. > > > > Pat > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@> > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>, > "PJK Sports > > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > > > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > > > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > > > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > > > was correct? > > > > I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I "believe" it. > > No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know > > the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed > > yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. > > > > He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he > > had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong > > indication that he had *not*. > > > > But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume more > > positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative > > information from negative evidence. > > > > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. > > > > And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're > > good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting > > him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single > > sentence, I call that an achievement. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Well .02 cents is different from .02 dollars. I mean if I said .02 gallons it would mean two-hundredths of a gallon, and so .02 cents is two hundredths of a cent, whereas two cents is two hundreds of a dollar. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Ludicrous... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. That > is like saying 2 dollars, or $2. .02 cents, or $.02 . > > > > Also Marcus, I never got a reply, it is no big deal, but figured I'd > let you know. pjkcards[at]gmail[dot]com . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:26 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > .02 cents != $0.02 > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, > "PJK Sports Cards" > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 > > happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the paper is > > correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not 100% it > > actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in > > Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you > > make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly > > back up your assumption. > > > > > > Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the > > person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on > > your response. You have to think like the person asking the question, > > and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted > > to give my .02 cents. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@> > > > To: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>, > > "PJK Sports > > > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > > > > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > > > > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > > > > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > > > > was correct? > > > > > > I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I > "believe" it. > > > No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know > > > the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed > > > yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. > > > > > > He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he > > > had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong > > > indication that he had *not*. > > > > > > But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume > more > > > positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative > > > information from negative evidence. > > > > > > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. > > > > > > And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're > > > good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting > > > him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single > > > sentence, I call that an achievement. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" <pjksportscards@...> wrote: > > Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. What do you mean you "don't need" the dollar sign? Is saying ".02 cents" equivalent to saying "$0.02" ? Cheers! Stefan

Of course not -- .02 cents is totally different than .02 dollars. They are different units of measurement. If someone is trying to say "That's just my two cents" then they could either say "2 cents" or ".02 dollars" or whatever, but ".02 cents" is... eh, not a whole lot in terms of, equivalent thought-mass? Idk. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. > > What do you mean you "don't need" the dollar sign? Is saying ".02 > cents" equivalent to saying "$0.02" ? > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Jo?l van Noort wrote: > Ryan Heise wrote: > > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem > > of joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with > > odd (incorrect) parity. > > > Ok, here is where the confusion probably is. I think Per does not look > at 'parity problem' this way. I don't either. Can we please read carefully before replying? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Of course not -- .02 cents is totally different than .02 dollars. Yeah I know, I had already read the Verizon story (thanks Shelley for the link), at least the first 20-30 minutes of it. If I weren't aware of humankind's very real stupidity, I'd bet it was a fake so he could sell those tshirts. Unbelievable those people got jobs in a technology business. Reminded me of something similar, a butchery chain here quite often instead of for example 6.49 EUR/KG they wrote 6.49 KG/EUR and when I told them about it they just weren't able to grasp what the problem is. I really should've asked them to give me 649 grams and then give them 0.10 EUR. I really should've. Oh how I regret not having done it. Cheers! Stefan

Hahahaha That's good. Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Of course not -- .02 cents is totally different than .02 dollars. > > Yeah I know, I had already read the Verizon story (thanks Shelley for > the link), at least the first 20-30 minutes of it. If I weren't aware > of humankind's very real stupidity, I'd bet it was a fake so he could > sell those tshirts. Unbelievable those people got jobs in a > technology business. > > Reminded me of something similar, a butchery chain here quite often > instead of for example 6.49 EUR/KG they wrote 6.49 KG/EUR and when I > told them about it they just weren't able to grasp what the problem > is. I really should've asked them to give me 649 grams and then give > them 0.10 EUR. I really should've. Oh how I regret not having done it. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Yes, 2 cents, my bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:53 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system Well .02 cents is different from .02 dollars. I mean if I said .02 gallons it would mean two-hundredths of a gallon, and so .02 cents is two hundredths of a cent, whereas two cents is two hundreds of a dollar. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Ludicrous... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, "PJK Sports Cards" > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. That > is like saying 2 dollars, or $2. .02 cents, or $.02 . > > > > Also Marcus, I never got a reply, it is no big deal, but figured I'd > let you know. pjkcards[at]gmail[dot]com . > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com>> > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:26 PM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > .02 cents != $0.02 > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>, > "PJK Sports Cards" > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 > > happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the paper is > > correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not 100% it > > actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in > > Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you > > make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly > > back up your assumption. > > > > > > Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the > > person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on > > your response. You have to think like the person asking the question, > > and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted > > to give my .02 cents. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@> > > > To: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>>, > > "PJK Sports > > > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > > > > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > > > > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > > > > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > > > > was correct? > > > > > > I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I > "believe" it. > > > No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't know > > > the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed > > > yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. > > > > > > He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I assume he > > > had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong > > > indication that he had *not*. > > > > > > But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume > more > > > positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume negative > > > information from negative evidence. > > > > > > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. > > > > > > And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're > > > good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, inviting > > > him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single > > > sentence, I call that an achievement. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Who are you addressing? Regardless, this is ludicrous. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, kyuubree <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Well .02 cents is different from .02 dollars. I mean if I said .02 > gallons it would mean two-hundredths of a gallon, and so .02 cents is > two hundredths of a cent, whereas two cents is two hundreds of a dollar. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Ludicrous... > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "PJK Sports Cards" > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > Actually, since I said cents, you don't need the dollar sign. That > > is like saying 2 dollars, or $2. .02 cents, or $.02 . > > > > > > Also Marcus, I never got a reply, it is no big deal, but figured I'd > > let you know. pjkcards[at]gmail[dot]com . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: kyuubree<mailto:no_reply@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:26 PM > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > > > > .02 cents != $0.02 > > > > > > --- In > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>, > > "PJK Sports Cards" > > > <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > As human beings, we are forced to assume. Do I know that 9/11 > > > happened? No, I am assuming that what I see on TV and on the > paper is > > > correct. I did not see it actually happen, therefore I am not > 100% it > > > actually happened. Hell, I don't even know for sure if we are in > > > Iraq, but I assume we are. Assuming is okay to do, however, if you > > > make an action off of an assumption, then make sure you can firmly > > > back up your assumption. > > > > > > > > Your advice wasn't wrong from my point of view, however, from the > > > person who asked, I can see how he/she would be drawn away based on > > > your response. You have to think like the person asking the > question, > > > and answer it as best as you can. Everything is fine, I just wanted > > > to give my .02 cents. > > > > > > > > Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Stefan Pochmann<mailto:pochmann@> > > > > To: > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:54 AM > > > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: Fridrich system > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@...m<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>>, > > > "PJK Sports > > > > Cards" <pjksportscards@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You don't assume? If you are reading something, you are assuming > > > > > that the event happened. How do you know that the CalTech Winter > > > > > Competition ever took place? Were you there? Or did you read > > > > > online that it occurred and assumed that what was written online > > > > > was correct? > > > > > > > > I do not "assume" the competition took place, instead I > > "believe" it. > > > > No need to assume something that has been stated. Btw, I don't > know > > > > the competition took place. I don't even know whether I existed > > > > yesterday. I try to be careful with that word. > > > > > > > > He didn't state that he had looked around so why should I > assume he > > > > had? To the contrary, *not* giving this information is a strong > > > > indication that he had *not*. > > > > > > > > But yes, I admit more precisely I should've said "I don't assume > > more > > > > positive information than stated", as I clearly did assume > negative > > > > information from negative evidence. > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the point is, the person was simply asking for advice. > > > > > > > > And I did give him two pieces of advice and I'm convinced they're > > > > good ones. Do you disagree? I even wrote it as a question, > inviting > > > > him to elaborate on what he had done so far. All that in a single > > > > sentence, I call that an achievement. > > > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Ryan did a good job offering several more precise terms in message > 32723 Good, someone read it :-) In that message, I tried to get people to say precisely what they mean by 'parity'. Unfortunately it was to no avail. People are still throwing around the word 'parity' when they might mean something else. > it might be better to explicitly abolish the word "problem" > completely. Just talk about even or odd parity maybe? I understand that you want to avoid words that don't have a clear scientific meaning, however this word is extensively used in scientific and mathematical papers to describe a situation that is difficult to overcome, or a question that is difficult to answer. (Of course, people can disagree about degrees of difficulty, but the word is useful to express the author's motivations. It is still the author's responsibility to convince the readers that it is a problem that's interesting to them, also.) In our field, may I suggest that - 'parity' just refers to the odd/even state of something, whereas - 'parity problem' refers to a situation that is difficult to overcome, related to parity. This makes it rather useless to say things like: "You can't avoid parity" "You can't avoid odd parity" Of course you can't avoid these because parity always exists, and it frequently alternates between odd and even, all the time while you're solving. That's why when people are throwing around the word 'parity', I really think they might mean something else, and they should be clear what they mean. Message 32723 describes a number of 'parity problems' rather than describing a number of 'parities'. For example, the problem of not being able to determine the parity of the 4x4x4 centre pieces just by looking at them, is a problem, not a parity. Whereas, the odd/even status of the edge permutation is a kind of parity, not a parity problem. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Ryan did a good job offering several more precise terms in message > > 32723 > > Good, someone read it :-) Of course :-). Btw, congrats for posting message #32768. Nice milestone. Cheers! Stefan

Speaking of speedcubes, has anyone ever tried the 3x3 Rubik's Cubes from Winning Moves? I have been trying to find a good, reliable source for speedcubes. Half the cubes I buy are not speedcubing material. I even tried a Studio Cube but even that is bad...perhaps I just got a bad one...? I got a Winning Moves Rubik's Cube recently though, and I have to say it's my best speedcube yet.

What's special about #32768? I thought about it but couldn't figure it out. -Anthony ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: can 444 be solved as 222 ? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Ryan did a good job offering several more precise terms in message > > 32723 > > Good, someone read it :-) Of course :-). Btw, congrats for posting message #32768. Nice milestone. Cheers! Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

well, 32768 is 2^15 :D -Joseph --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Hsu <erwaman@...> wrote: > > What's special about #32768? I thought about it but couldn't figure it out. > > -Anthony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:58 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: can 444 be solved as 222 ? > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@> > wrote: > > > > Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > > > Ryan did a good job offering several more precise terms in > message > > > 32723 > > > > Good, someone read it :-) > > Of course :-). Btw, congrats for posting message #32768. Nice > milestone. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

2^15. Fairly important number :P

Hi guys, We can interpret Bernett's question the way we like. Ryan takes the more scientific way. I am thinking of a method that is very suitable for speed solving AND that does not require an extra 5 second step 50 percent of the time. I tried one approach. It didn't help much. Neither did Ryan's approach for me. Bottomline for me is that I did not find a good new method. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Heise To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: can 444 be solved as 222 ? Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Ryan did a good job offering several more precise terms in message > 32723 Good, someone read it :-) In that message, I tried to get people to say precisely what they mean by 'parity'. Unfortunately it was to no avail. People are still throwing around the word 'parity' when they might mean something else. > it might be better to explicitly abolish the word "problem" > completely. Just talk about even or odd parity maybe? I understand that you want to avoid words that don't have a clear scientific meaning, however this word is extensively used in scientific and mathematical papers to describe a situation that is difficult to overcome, or a question that is difficult to answer. (Of course, people can disagree about degrees of difficulty, but the word is useful to express the author's motivations. It is still the author's responsibility to convince the readers that it is a problem that's interesting to them, also.) In our field, may I suggest that - 'parity' just refers to the odd/even state of something, whereas - 'parity problem' refers to a situation that is difficult to overcome, related to parity. This makes it rather useless to say things like: "You can't avoid parity" "You can't avoid odd parity" Of course you can't avoid these because parity always exists, and it frequently alternates between odd and even, all the time while you're solving. That's why when people are throwing around the word 'parity', I really think they might mean something else, and they should be clear what they mean. Message 32723 describes a number of 'parity problems' rather than describing a number of 'parities'. For example, the problem of not being able to determine the parity of the 4x4x4 centre pieces just by looking at them, is a problem, not a parity. Whereas, the odd/even status of the edge permutation is a kind of parity, not a parity problem. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Stefan! Do you have a "quick'n dirty" solution to running several inputs to ACube also? Preferably having all output/input in same file/s? I guess this may be easier in xnix/bash than poor old dos/win- commandprompt ... -Per Would there be any interest in an application taking a sequence of cube turns and turning it into ACube input? This will save time for people using ACube to search for algorithms :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Miles > Yucht" <mgyucht@> wrote: > > > > Is there anywhere that i can read an easy tutorial on how to use > acube > > 3 for windows? > > I think there's no tutorial besides the ACube.txt file that comes > with it. I recommend writing input into file in.txt and using this > run.bat file: > > java -cp ACube3.jar ACube q a < in.txt > out.txt > > Then you just double-click the .bat and it produces the out.txt file. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

> > Ryan Heise wrote: > > > The parity problem in "big cubes" refers specifically to the problem > > > of joining pieces together and "not knowing" if you're doing it with > > > odd (incorrect) parity. > > > > > > Ok, here is where the confusion probably is. I think Per does not look > > at 'parity problem' this way. > > I don't either. > I quoted you. I say "Per doesn't look at it this way". You say "I don't either". Can you at least explain this to me? - Joël.

Hi Ryan, > Let me describe a strategy that works: > > - First attach all the edges to the corners. > - Second, attach the centres to the corners. > - Third, solve as a 2x2x2. > > > Now, let me describe which parity problems this avoids: > > - It avoids the pseudo parity problems. > - It avoids the indeterminate centre permutation parity problem. Yes, you are right when you do the centers last... But that is quite similar to Per's cage method I'd say. Only then you do it with messed up corners, joining the edges with their corners... > Now, let me explain why I entered this conversation: > > - Because I saw an idea being shot down on false grounds, and I wanted > to set the record straight so that people could open their minds to > thinking about answers to J.Bernett's very valid question. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ The idea wasn't shot down. Per was just asking a valid question. - Joël. >

Yes, it's possible to alter the alg in many ways because of the symmetry in the case. I myself does as I wrote it but mirrored in L (I'm a lefthand cuber). One little improvment is: the R2-move can be done as l+R. That will put the B-side at top before the last part of the alg and you can continue from there doing U M' U' R' U M // Kenneth P.S Maybe you gys like my H-alg, It's a bit crazy but most triggerable because it uses only Q-turns (18 of them) : F U R d' R U' R' d R' U R d' R U' R' d R' F' or F 2x(U R d' R U' R' d R') F' Double Sune and a U-PLL does the same job, guess that is faster ;-) --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > If you write it down more friendly for my fingers, it's much better: > > F U R U' R' U R U' R2' F' R L 'U R U' R' L >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi Stefan! > > Do you have a "quick'n dirty" solution to running several inputs to > ACube also? Preferably having all output/input in same file/s? Well yeah, just write all inputs into the in.txt file I suggested. Though I'd not call that "dirty". > Would there be any interest in an application taking a sequence of > cube turns and turning it into ACube input? This will save time for > people using ACube to search for algorithms :-) A while back Josef started work on different input syntaxes, I did one where you could for example say (UF,UR)(UFR,URB). Don't know the current status, though, he seems busy with other stuff. Cheers! Stefan

Still wrong... Anyway, clever lyrics? www.music.helsinki.fi/research/geton/corpus/geton-8bit.au --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "goodxy2002" <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > Oh I get it now. You just post those kind of comments to see how > people react. That's interesting. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Anssi Vanhala" > <mahtianssi@> wrote: > > > > It's just funny to see how differently people react. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "goodxy2002" > > <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4 > > > 2nd comment down. > > > > > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > > > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > > > > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > > > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > > > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > > > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > > > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > > > > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for semifinal and > > > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be enough in > > > EC? > > > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > > > there... > > > > > > 19.66 > > > > > >

Jo?l van Noort wrote: > The idea wasn't shot down. Per was just asking a valid question. Well, Per did convince J.Bernett that his idea was impossible: > Dear Joel & Per Uncle, > Thank u for your replies. Infact, I do not know anything about > it. It suddenly flashed in my mind that it may eliminate > parity.But now I understood it will not eliminate parity. Almost everyone who contributed to this thread was also convinced of Per's view, so that many were not even in a position to consider the question at the bottom of J.Bernett's email. There has been an overwhelmingly negative response to J.Bernett's idea of a 2x2x2 reduction to avoid parity problems. - Per said it was impossible. - Gilles agreed and said it was impossible(*) - Ron said it was a bad idea. - (*) Gilles then changed is mind and saw that it was possible. Now I think I have managed to convince a few people that the idea is possible. But, J.Bernett's question still remains unanswered! "Is there a good way to implement this method?" If this idea really wasn't "shot down", then what do you call it when all these people say that this idea is impossible and bad? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Would there be any interest in an application taking a sequence of > cube turns and turning it into ACube input? You can try Mike Reid's twist.c program: http://www.math.ucf.edu/~reid/Rubik/optimal_solver.html -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hi Ryan, Per never used the word 'impossible'. > If this idea really wasn't "shot down", then what do you call it when > all these people say that this idea is impossible and bad? Well, I don't really call it anything. But people like Ron are not shooting it down just like that. Ron actually tried to see that's it's quite an unpractical approach. And I also tried a little, and realised it is quite unpractical as well. I do realise that it's a good idea to think about different methods. Even crazy methods or ideas can even lead to new, better ideas. I for example, got an idea during trying to make a 2x2... When I had a 2x2x2 block, I extended it to a 3x3x3 block, so would only have to look at one side during the rest of the solve. I wouldn't have have tried that if Bernett didn't post his idea. - Joël.

http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.htm Who's Frank Dickerson? Does the United States have a new master of speed cubing? People are getting too fast! -Tyson

Hi Ryan, If you quote me then please quote me correctly. I never said it was a bad idea. In two different messages I said that the approaches taken were not suitable for my interpretation of the question. 1) by making the 2x2 blocks block-by-block (my first try) 2) by swapping two edge pieces and two centers (your suggestion) There may be other approaches that are better and suit my interpretation of the question. But the way you communicate I am not interested in a discussion with you. So I will do the investigations myself at home, and if I find something I will publish it to this group. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Heise To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: can 444 be solved as 222 ? Jo?l van Noort wrote: > The idea wasn't shot down. Per was just asking a valid question. Well, Per did convince J.Bernett that his idea was impossible: > Dear Joel & Per Uncle, > Thank u for your replies. Infact, I do not know anything about > it. It suddenly flashed in my mind that it may eliminate > parity.But now I understood it will not eliminate parity. Almost everyone who contributed to this thread was also convinced of Per's view, so that many were not even in a position to consider the question at the bottom of J.Bernett's email. There has been an overwhelmingly negative response to J.Bernett's idea of a 2x2x2 reduction to avoid parity problems. - Per said it was impossible. - Gilles agreed and said it was impossible(*) - Ron said it was a bad idea. - (*) Gilles then changed is mind and saw that it was possible. Now I think I have managed to convince a few people that the idea is possible. But, J.Bernett's question still remains unanswered! "Is there a good way to implement this method?" If this idea really wasn't "shot down", then what do you call it when all these people say that this idea is impossible and bad? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What? I'm confused. Wasn't that just a contradiction? Doesn't "It's just funny to see how differently people react." imply that you post these things and enjoy seeing how people react which is precisely what is expressed in the sentences "Oh I get it now. You just post those kind of comments to see how people react. That's interesting." On 1/22/07, Anssi Vanhala <mahtianssi@...> wrote: > > Still wrong... > > Anyway, clever lyrics? > > www.music.helsinki.fi/research/geton/corpus/geton-8bit.au > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "goodxy2002" > <goodxy2002@...> wrote: > > > > Oh I get it now. You just post those kind of comments to see how > > people react. That's interesting. > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Anssi Vanhala" > > <mahtianssi@> wrote: > > > > > > It's just funny to see how differently people react. > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "goodxy2002" > > > <goodxy2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnRJROskpp4 > > > > 2nd comment down. > > > > > > > > MAHTIANSSI (12 hours ago) > > > > When I do world records I don't even say anything. > > > > > > > > So anssi, what exactly do you mean by this comment? There's nothing > > > > wrong with being happy about the record. Dan has never said or even > > > > implied that he's better than anyone so I'm not quite sure why you > > > > made such a comment on his video. In fact, he's a pretty modest guy > > > > and is a very friendly guy to compete with. > > > > > > > > "Anssi Vanhala" <mahtianssi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So, in US champinoship 29.78 solve was enough for > semifinal and > > > > 19.37 average for final and 15.50 for winning. Will that be > enough in > > > > EC? > > > > > > At least I don't think so. Hopefully I don't get french nerves > > > > there... > > > > > > > > 19.66 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Are you tired of the same old thing over and over again? Probably not. Most of us are here because we don't mind spinning that Rubik's Cube, matching up the colors on every side, over, and over again, and quite quickly might I add. Don't get my wrong, online competition are fabulous. They're a great way to keep us motivated, but I'm not a very fast speed cuber by today's standards, and I'd like a chance to win 'something' every week. Whether it's flipping burgers, or underwater basket weaving, I'd like to have a chance to see my name at the top of a list. After all, not all of us are blessed with sub-13 averages. Just an idea... we've been having a lot of fun with our Caltech Mystery Puzzle at our competitions. Such classics such as "Name That Dzoan" (similar to 'Name That Tune,' but with a Dzoan) will certainly stand the test of time as one of the most epic competitions ever. Why not make this into an online competition? I still hold the world record for Ball in Cup I believe at 0.39 seconds. I'm quite proud because this record was achieved using a method that I had developed. Anyway, stay tuned. The online mystery puzzle competition awaits you! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tyson Mao" <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > What? I'm confused. Wasn't that just a contradiction? > > Doesn't "It's just funny to see how differently people react." imply that > you post these things and enjoy seeing how people react which is precisely > what is expressed in the sentences "Oh I get it now. You just post those > kind of comments to see how people react. That's interesting." No... Anssi meant that it's funny to see how different people react when they do world records.

Ah thank you. Thank you for clarifying my misunderstanding. Things can be easily confused when 'said' in text. On 1/22/07, Johannes Laire <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Tyson Mao" > <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > > > What? I'm confused. Wasn't that just a contradiction? > > > > Doesn't "It's just funny to see how differently people react." imply > that > > you post these things and enjoy seeing how people react which is > precisely > > what is expressed in the sentences "Oh I get it now. You just post those > > kind of comments to see how people react. That's interesting." > > No... Anssi meant that it's funny to see how different people react > when they do world records. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey! Ok, every edge/center swap is a "parity-fix" so of course you avoid the problem that way. Cunning ... but slooow. I, like Ron, consider this from a speedsolving perspective. Don't tell me that ur proposed method can be fast. I'm not gonna believe you. We need much better ways of eliminating or reducing parity-fix to something trivial - like for instance my suggested 2-opposite layers first, then diffuse middle edges - strategy. Honestly i think such a method is speed-feasible whileas urs is not. But hey it's only my strong belief!! Nothing more :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > JohnLouis Louis wrote: > > > But now I understood it will not eliminate parity. > > Hi J.Bernett, > > I don't agree with Per. Here is a 2x2x2 reduction strategy that avoids > parity problems: > > 1. Attach the edges using an algorithm to swap 2 edges and 2 centres. > 2. Attach the centres using an algorithm that cycles 3 centres. > 3. Solve the pseudo 2x2x2. > > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.htm > > Who's Frank Dickerson? Does the United States have a new master of > speed cubing? People are getting too fast! > > -Tyson > It's kinda weird, he doesn't have a "profile" on speedcubing.com at all...I'd thought that any faster/experienced cuber would know of the site called speedcubing.com! Meh...then again, Gungz wasn't on the list till quite recently (was it me that told him about it? but Sunday contest for sure...) -Harris

I have never heard of him, but that average is amazing. People are getting too fast.

Hi Everyone, I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details the history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are now, their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US Nationals held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I won't be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail if you can write a section or two. There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some pretty amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about competitions. Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

i am at your disposal as always (as long as i don't have to eat applesauce) Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details the history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are now, their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US Nationals held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I won't be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail if you can write a section or two. There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some pretty amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about competitions. Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Haha. Dude, I can't believe I owned that pound of apple sauce. Chris Krueger and Dan Dzoan are doing stuff for me right now. Can you do the following for me: Rubik's Cube competition history in Europe Rubik's Cube competition history in Asia Actually, I just noticed this was sent to speedsolving Rubik's, and not my personal e-mail. Anyway, maybe other people can chip in on this one too. I'm looking for basically something that details the history and current state of competition development in the individual countries in Europe and Asia as well as a little bit about the perspective of the cubing development in Europe and Asia as continents. Things to look at are France, The UK, The Netherlands (Dutch Cube Days, Dutch Cube Championships), the Japaneses tournaments, the formation of the KRCR (Korea), the organizatino of the Taiwanese National Championships, and also the cube development in the Scandinavia region. The idea is to write a document to show a non-cube person (with money) that cubing is developing and on the rise, and that it can really take off. Talk about what the various countries have been doing to get organized, and how that's developing. The rise of immensly fast cubers in Korea is definitely something that probably should be included. We want to show investors that there is an international market for Rubik's Cube as well. -Tyson On 1/22/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i am at your disposal as always (as long as i don't have to eat > applesauce) > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> wrote: Hi > Everyone, > > > I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full > time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. > > In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details > the > history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual > sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are > now, > their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US Nationals > held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. > > I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I > won't > be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail if > you can write a section or two. > > There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some pretty > amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already > talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about > competitions. > > Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I can lend a hand as well. Let me know. Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: i am at your disposal as always (as long as i don't have to eat applesauce) Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details the history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are now, their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US Nationals held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I won't be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail if you can write a section or two. There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some pretty amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about competitions. Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. -Tyson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, You justed answered some on my questions on AIM, so I'd be more than happy to help you. I don't have school much this week, so I can help you. I don't know much about the competetions, but if you would direct to a webssite that has the information on it or tell me yourself, I'd be happy to help you type some up. Whatever I can do to make cubing bigger and better. -David On 1/22/07, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full > time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. > > In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details > the > history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual > sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are > now, > their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US Nationals > held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. > > I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I > won't > be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail if > you can write a section or two. > > There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some pretty > amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already > talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about > competitions. > > Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Frank, thanks for your help. Could you do these for me: Early Rubik's Cube Competitions - WC 1982, WC 2003 Cubing performance between 1982 and 2003 (Dan Knights and 20.00 average) Caltech Rubik's Cube Club 2004 Competitions Cubing performance, rise of Shotaro Makisumi The idea is to illustrate to a non-cuber the incredible development of cubing performances. Remember when Macky started competiting, he was miles above everyone else. We want to show a non-cuber that people these days are now awesome. (And that they should give us money.) -Tyson On 1/22/07, Frank Morris <ephem825@...> wrote: > > I can lend a hand as well. Let me know. > > Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...<perscription_death%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: i am at your disposal as always (as long as i don't have to eat > applesauce) > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> wrote: Hi > Everyone, > > I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full > time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. > > In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details > the > history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual > sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are > now, > their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US Nationals > held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. > > I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I > won't > be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail if > you can write a section or two. > > There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some pretty > amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already > talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about > competitions. > > Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. > > -Tyson > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > --------------------------------- > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Ryan Heise wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > > > > The point is that u will encounter a parity at SOME point when u > > > reduce to 2x2x2(50% of the time). Why is it so hard to admit ??? > > > > I don't agree with Per. Here is a 2x2x2 reduction strategy that > > avoids parity problems: > > of course you avoid the problem that way. Cunning ... but slooow. Thank you, Per :-) This is all that I was arguing. I do respect you for realising that his basic idea is now possible, and all along I have thought this was an important first step for everyone to recognise. Finding faster methods that aren't "slooow" is the next step :-) I think it is only fair that someone defend J.Bernett's idea, since after all, his idea turned out to be correct. It really is a difficult position to be in, however, when you are the ONLY person defending it. It is sad that not one other person was willing to stand up and say "Maybe J.Bernett's idea is possible." Maybe it has been entertaining to some people to watch me fight it alone :-) Well, yes even I find debates entertaining to watch sometimes. At the same time, they are also painful to others. I'm sure you will notice that this one had exclamation marks a-plenty being thrown around. To Per, I did feel rubbed up the wrong way by some of your comments such as "Why is it so hard to admit ???" because I had already stated earlier the very thing you were asking me to admit. I felt like you were not really reading my emails carefully enough. Emails that I had invested a lot of time into. To Gilles, I want to just make it clear that, although you disagreed with me, I felt you did it in a very respectable way. And thanks for finally agreeing with me :-) (And sorry for not getting back to you about the wings 3-cycle thing, I am trying to find out what that means, but don't know, yet). To Ron, I'm sorry if you felt misquoted. I think I just interpreted your message the same way Stefan did: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/speedsolvingrubikscube/message/32733 -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > of course you avoid the problem that way Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > I agree with you now. I just realised, I should apologise to all those people who asked for certain features on the simulator, to which I replied "I unfortunately don't have the time to implement them right now." Obviously I had 14 hours for this thread :-) (Sorry!) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

http://www.overheardintheoffice.com/archives/003670.html

If someone has questions about European Compettions, you can always ask me. But I guess Ron is the best one to help you. Anyway, just send me an email (look in the One-Handed unofficial records to get it, thanks) if you need a bit of information. Good luck ! Gilles 2007/1/23, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...>: > > Frank, thanks for your help. Could you do these for me: > > Early Rubik's Cube Competitions - WC 1982, WC 2003 > Cubing performance between 1982 and 2003 (Dan Knights and 20.00 average) > > Caltech Rubik's Cube Club 2004 Competitions > Cubing performance, rise of Shotaro Makisumi > > The idea is to illustrate to a non-cuber the incredible development of > cubing performances. Remember when Macky started competiting, he was miles > above everyone else. We want to show a non-cuber that people these days > are > now awesome. (And that they should give us money.) > > -Tyson > > On 1/22/07, Frank Morris <ephem825@... <ephem825%40yahoo.com>> > wrote: > > > > I can lend a hand as well. Let me know. > > > > Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...<perscription_death%40yahoo.com> > <perscription_death%40yahoo.com>> > > wrote: i am at your disposal as always (as long as i don't have to eat > > applesauce) > > > > Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@... <tyson.mao%40gmail.com> < > tyson.mao%40gmail.com>> wrote: Hi > > Everyone, > > > > I could use some help. I'm one person, and unfortunately, I have a full > > time job now. I've been hit with a very important Rubik's Cube deadline. > > > > In short, I need to create a document, an information pact that details > > the > > history of Rubik's Cube competitions. I need help writing the individual > > sections, detailing from how these competitions started, what they are > > now, > > their procedures, and their trends. In other words, when are US > Nationals > > held, how do they relate to the World Championships, etc. > > > > I will work on an outline of this document right now, but I'm afraid I > > won't > > be able to write this entire document myself. Please send me an e-mail > if > > you can write a section or two. > > > > There's a large meeting, and I've got some people who want to some > pretty > > amazing things for the Rubik's Cube competition scene. There are already > > talks with ESPN, but the person I'm working with needs information about > > competitions. > > > > Let me know! My deadline is Wednesday night. > > > > -Tyson > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > --------------------------------- > > Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey don't worry Ryan. Everything is fine. :-) A wing is actually the name given in a method for the 5x5 to the "non-central-edges" (to be concrete : UrF and UlF are "wings"). Now you can apply the word wing to describe the UrF and UlF on the 4x4 too ! So that the word edge can be preserved and used as the "group of 2 wings", which makes an edge if you look at the 4x4 in a 3x3 way. I hope this is understandable. :p I think it's just a nice and convenient word to talk about those pieces. Gilles 2007/1/23, Ryan Heise <ryan@...>: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > of course you avoid the problem that way > > Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > I agree with you now. > > I just realised, I should apologise to all those people who asked for > certain features on the simulator, to which I replied "I unfortunately > don't have the time to implement them right now." > > Obviously I had 14 hours for this thread :-) > > (Sorry!) > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > > A while back Josef started work on different input syntaxes, I did > one where you could for example say (UF,UR)(UFR,URB). Don't know the > current status, though, he seems busy with other stuff. > > Cheers! > Stefan > Hmmm ... (UF,UR)(UFR,URB) ... Just give the cyclical decomposition. Interesting. But wouldn't you still have to convert that to the old input format? (specifying all 20 cubies)?? The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend with a cube "applet" built into it, and of course also ACube as the backend-engine. And with several input-options. Would need a "middle layer" which converts some new input format to the old one. It would also be interesting to lift some of the restrictions of ACube. Like if it has already found a x-turn solution, sometimes worse solution may still be interesting. But they will get lost with current implementation. Also the "all" search should be an option at runtime, not only on start-up ;-) I didn't know that Josef was still working on it. Hope he reads the forum :-) -Per

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > If someone has questions about European Compettions, you can always ask me. I confirm that. You're in my eyes the most traveling cuber, having competed in eight different countries despite just nine competitions. Only Ron and Ton have competed in more (nine) countries and they've been in more than twice as many competitions. It's one of the things I've noticed from my fun stats I'm working on. Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from the most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it if you can.) Cheers! Stefan

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hmmm ... (UF,UR)(UFR,URB) ... Just give the cyclical decomposition. > Interesting. But wouldn't you still have to convert that to the old > input format? (specifying all 20 cubies)?? Yes, writing code for the conversion is what I did. If I remember correctly, I had finished it, but I don't know whether he already integrated it. > The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend Ugh. GUI. I prefer text. GUI is for kids. Cheers! Stefan

----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Pochmann To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Help - Cube Proposal Czech Open 2006 Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from the most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it if you can.) Cheers! Stefan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stefan Pochmann > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Help - Cube Proposal > > > > Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from the > > most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it if > > you can.) > > > Czech Open 2006 Nope, it only had competitors from eight different countries, that's a shared 9th place. But for having only 19 competitors, eight countries isn't bad. Cheers! Stefan

World Championship 1982 ? 19 competitors, 19 countries... It can't be a bad bet :p Ok thanks for the info : my goal is now to become the most travelling cuber... I still have to go to Italy, Japan, Taïwan, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Canada ?... Hungary of course There is plenty of room for improvement. :-) Gilles 2007/1/23, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Rune Wesström > <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stefan Pochmann > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Help - Cube Proposal > > > > > > > Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from the > > > most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it > if > > > you can.) > > > > > > Czech Open 2006 > > Nope, it only had competitors from eight different countries, that's > a shared 9th place. But for having only 19 competitors, eight > countries isn't bad. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Umlaut on the 'i' in Taiwan? Huh? It's probably easier to hold this record if you live in Europe. In California, you can drive for 6 hours, and you've merely gone from San Francisco to Los Angeles. -Tyson On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:55 AM, Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > World Championship 1982 ? > 19 competitors, 19 countries... > > It can't be a bad bet :p > > Ok thanks for the info : my goal is now to become the most travelling > cuber... > I still have to go to Italy, Japan, Taïwan, South Korea, Spain, > Sweden, > Canada ?... Hungary of course > There is plenty of room for improvement. :-) > > Gilles > > 2007/1/23, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@gmx.de>: > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogr > oups.com>, > > Rune Wesström > > <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stefan Pochmann > > > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogr > oups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Help - Cube Proposal > > > > > > > > > > Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from > the > > > > most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it > > if > > > > you can.) > > > > > > > > > Czech Open 2006 > > > > Nope, it only had competitors from eight different countries, that's > > a shared 9th place. But for having only 19 competitors, eight > > countries isn't bad. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

Google Analytics breaks the visitor count down to city level and gives you an absurd amount of other information, for free. I was surprised to learn that 80% of the traffic to my site is from the US, and a full 2% from the city of Los Angeles! http://www.google.com/analytics/ Yes, I do work for Google. But this *is* completely free. I suppose we're hoping to make the money back by people optimize their ads better or something. On Jan 20, 2007, at 16:18, PJK Sports Cards wrote: > No I don't. I'd be curious to look at the script. Can you please > post it? However, if I remember right, in the TOS of webstats4u, > you can't disable the popups. I am not positive if that was for > this particular service. > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron van Bruchem<mailto:ron@...> > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > ahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:48 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > scc > do you see popups? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PJK Sports Cards > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > ahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:39 AM > Subject: SPAM: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > Are you referring to speedcubing.com , or do you have another site? > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron van > Bruchem<mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...>> > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > ahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:s > peedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > Hi Pat, > > Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these > popups: use the script on my page. :-) > I copied my script before the popup was added. > > Have fun, > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PJK Sports Cards > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > ahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:s > peedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM > Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor > their stats), > Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When > they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups > without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with > the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to > mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I > just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off > topic. > > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Ron<mailto:ron@...<mailto:ron@...><mailto:ron@ > speedcubing.com<mailto:ron@...>>> > To: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > ahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:s > peedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com>><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ > yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><mailto: > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > ahoogroups.com>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > Hi guys, > > This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: > http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http:// > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>><http:// > www.webstats4ucom/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http:// > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>>> > > Maybe they play with cubes over there? > > Have fun, > > Ron > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

Are you trying to say something ? :D Gilles 2007/1/23, Gülşin <gulisk@...>: > > 2007/1/23, Gülþin <gulisk@...>: > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey!! I thought it was www.cubestation.co.uk (Dan Harris' site) hosting speedcuber profiles. I have mine THERE anyway ... Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > http://www.nascarjon.us/sunday.htm > > Who's Frank Dickerson? Does the United States have a new master of > speed cubing? People are getting too fast! > > -Tyson >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > World Championship 1982 ? > 19 competitors, 19 countries... Yep, that's it, followed by WC2005 with 17 and Euro2006 with 16. So in a sense, cubing *still* isn't as big as it was in the early 1980s. Cheers! Stefan

Hi :-) I guess the 19 countries record will be broken this year in Budapest. So the record stays in Budapest :D -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den > Peereboom" <gillesvdp@> wrote: > > > > World Championship 1982 ? > > 19 competitors, 19 countries... > > Yep, that's it, followed by WC2005 with 17 and Euro2006 with 16. So > in a sense, cubing *still* isn't as big as it was in the early 1980s. > > Cheers! > Stefan >

Hi :-) IMHO 2x2x2 reduction is still a STUPID idea for 4x4x4 speeding. But as agreed, theoretically doable (naturally). A cube can of course be transformed from one valid random position to another legal position with valid/legal turns only :-P -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > of course you avoid the problem that way > > Gilles van den Peereboom wrote: > > I agree with you now. > > > I just realised, I should apologise to all those people who asked for > certain features on the simulator, to which I replied "I unfortunately > don't have the time to implement them right now." > > Obviously I had 14 hours for this thread :-) > > (Sorry!) > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

If you count different states and countries, I have Canada, California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Texas, Florida, Connecticut, and the Netherlands (and a judge in Germany). Only three countries, but it was almost 3000 miles each way the four times to California. Damn, I need a job. :P ~ Bob --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > World Championship 1982 ? > 19 competitors, 19 countries... > > It can't be a bad bet :p > > > Ok thanks for the info : my goal is now to become the most travelling > cuber... > I still have to go to Italy, Japan, Taïwan, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, > Canada ?... Hungary of course > There is plenty of room for improvement. :-) > > Gilles > > 2007/1/23, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Rune Wesström > > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stefan Pochmann > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Help - Cube Proposal > > > > > > > > > > Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from the > > > > most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it > > if > > > > you can.) > > > > > > > > > Czech Open 2006 > > > > Nope, it only had competitors from eight different countries, that's > > a shared 9th place. But for having only 19 competitors, eight > > countries isn't bad. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when there was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at once and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this method is and where I can find out about it?

One blink for yes, two blinks for no. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Are you trying to say something ? > :D > > Gilles > > > 2007/1/23, Gülşin <gulisk@...>: > > > > 2007/1/23, Gülþin <gulisk@...>: > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I looked at Jessica Fridrich's Method on her webstie and she has a ton of formulas and algorithums. I have also looked at other websites and have seen a lot of different patterns. Like, do all the pros have R' D' R D R' D' R memorized to "Insert the edge and twist the corner"? Also, is there an easy way to learn the Frifrich method. I dobut there is but I might as well ask. O, and about how long does it take to learn the fridrich method?

that's so cool You're so lucky you work for Google. Best company ever. It was ranked to be the best company to work for by fortune 500. Is the Googleplex as nice as everyone says it is and is the free food really good? On 1/23/07, Lars Petrus <lars@...> wrote: > > Google Analytics breaks the visitor count down to city level and > gives you an absurd amount of other information, for free. I was > surprised to learn that 80% of the traffic to my site is from the US, > and a full 2% from the city of Los Angeles! > > http://www.google.com/analytics/ > > Yes, I do work for Google. But this *is* completely free. I suppose > we're hoping to make the money back by people optimize their ads > better or something. > > On Jan 20, 2007, at 16:18, PJK Sports Cards wrote: > > > No I don't. I'd be curious to look at the script. Can you please > > post it? However, if I remember right, in the TOS of webstats4u, > > you can't disable the popups. I am not positive if that was for > > this particular service. > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron van Bruchem<mailto:ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com> > > > > To: > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > > ahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:48 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > > > > scc > > do you see popups? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: PJK Sports Cards > > To: > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > > ahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:39 AM > > Subject: SPAM: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > > Are you referring to speedcubing.com , or do you have another site? > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron van > > Bruchem<mailto:ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com><mailto: > ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com>>> > > To: > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > > ahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:s > > peedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<peedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 1:23 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > > Hi Pat, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. But there is an easy way past these > > popups: use the script on my page. :-) > > I copied my script before the popup was added. > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: PJK Sports Cards > > To: > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > > ahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:s > > peedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<peedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > >> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:12 PM > > Subject: SPAM: Re: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > > Hey Ron (and all other sites using webstats4u.com to monitor > > their stats), > > Webstats4u will create popup advertisements on your page. When > > they changed their name awhile back, they began to create popups > > without notifying anyone of it. I have seen many cuber pages with > > the popups due to webstats4u (Joel Van Noort - Your page comes to > > mind first). I use w3counter.com for my site, it is much better. I > > just figured I'd let you all know, even though this is a bit off > > topic. > > > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Ron<mailto:ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com><mailto: > ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com>><mailto:ron@ > > speedcubing.com<mailto:ron@... <ron%40speedcubing.com>>>> > > To: > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > > ahoogroups.com><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:s > > peedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<peedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > >><mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@ > > yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>><mailto: > > > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@y > > ahoogroups.com>>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 10:35 AM > > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Cubing in Vatican? > > > > Hi guys, > > > > This week I had a visitor from the Vatican: > > http://www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http:// > > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>><http:// > > www.webstats4ucom/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all><http:// > > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all<http:// > > www.webstats4u.com/s?tab=1&link=3&id=632975&cou=all>>> > > > > Maybe they play with cubes over there? > > > > Have fun, > > > > Ron > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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It depends how much of the method you want to learn. For me... learning F2L intuitively took less than an hour... learning a 4-look LL took two days to memorize the algorithms... learning a 3-look LL took a week to memorize the algorithms... basically, just memorize several new algorithms every day, and maybe take the weekend off by just reviewing what you have memorized so far. trying to learn too many algorithms in too short a time period is not very good. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "res0lute" <b3ttis@...> wrote: > > I looked at Jessica Fridrich's Method on her webstie and she has a ton > of formulas and algorithums. I have also looked at other websites and > have seen a lot of different patterns. Like, do all the pros have R' > D' R D R' D' R memorized to "Insert the edge and twist the corner"? > Also, is there an easy way to learn the Frifrich method. I dobut there > is but I might as well ask. O, and about how long does it take to > learn the fridrich method? >

what the difference between 3-look and 4-look? On 1/23/07, andyaycw <andyaycw@...> wrote: > > It depends how much of the method you want to learn. > > For me... > > learning F2L intuitively took less than an hour... > learning a 4-look LL took two days to memorize the algorithms... > learning a 3-look LL took a week to memorize the algorithms... > > basically, just memorize several new algorithms every day, and maybe > take the weekend off by just reviewing what you have memorized so far. > trying to learn too many algorithms in too short a time period is not > very good. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "res0lute" <b3ttis@...> > wrote: > > > > I looked at Jessica Fridrich's Method on her webstie and she has a ton > > of formulas and algorithums. I have also looked at other websites and > > have seen a lot of different patterns. Like, do all the pros have R' > > D' R D R' D' R memorized to "Insert the edge and twist the corner"? > > Also, is there an easy way to learn the Frifrich method. I dobut there > > is but I might as well ask. O, and about how long does it take to > > learn the fridrich method? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's an interesting way of seeing it, as a disproportionate number of the cubers are college students or younger. Oh well, I guess ignorance is bliss... or something. -Sapan On 1/23/07, _jaap <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > http://www.overheardintheoffice.com/archives/003670.html > > > -- -cubekid [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

3-look LL means solving the last layer in 3 steps. 4-look is solving it in 4 steps. Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) OLL being orienting the edges...and PLL being permutating the last layer. A 3-look LL usually involves learning all of the PLL algorithms, and 8 of the OLL algorithms. This comes to a total of around 30 algorithms. A 4-look LL involves memorizing about 8 of the PLL algorithms, and 8 of the OLL algorithms.

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jsreed5" <jsreed5@...> wrote: > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when there > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at once > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > method is and where I can find out about it? > It sounds like it could be Guimond, which is written up http://www.rubikscuberecord.com/ I could be wrong, someoneelse could confirm. Joey

res0lute wrote: > is there an easy way to learn the Frifrich method. To me, it is easier to learn the secrets behind how the cube works. F2L uses a table of 22 algorithms, but almost all of those are derived from two basic tricks, described in point (1) on this page: http://www.ws.binghamton.edu/fridrich/f2l.html -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

it could be a number of corners first methods i'd guess, i doubt it would be waterman since its a large alg list for that but it could be some offshoot of that, the only older method i can think of is that, unless it could be from minh thai 'the winning solution' or whatever. did he say when he learned that method? joey_gouly <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jsreed5" <jsreed5@...> wrote: > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when there > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at once > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > method is and where I can find out about it? > It sounds like it could be Guimond, which is written up http://www.rubikscuberecord.com/ I could be wrong, someoneelse could confirm. Joey --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers > at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of > 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) 53 + 21 = 73? By the way, it's 57 OLL and 21 PLL, for a total of 78 algorithms. Tim

> I do respect you for realising that his basic idea is now possible, and > all along I have thought this was an important first step for everyone > to recognise. Finding faster methods that aren't "slooow" is the next > step :-) > > (...) > > Ryan Heise Bear with me here. I've been working on 4x4x4 methods recently. It's a wall of text, but I might make some useful points... I think that virtually any 4x4x4 solution is possible, if you plan out your method enough. For example, you could reduce it to a 3x3x4, then reduce that to a 3x3x2, and solve it like a Domino. But how do you tell if a certain method can ever be fast? There are two factors, move count and lookahead. If you have a total of 60 seconds of lookahead, there's no way you're getting sub 1:30. I don't know if any of you have ever solved the Alexander Star, but I've been working on speedsolving it, and the lookahead is awful. For all of you Megaminx solvers, since the Alexander Star is mathematically equivalent to the Megaminx edges, do you think you could solve the Alexander Star in under 60 seconds, if it was lubed as well as your Megaminx? I don't think it's really possible because lookahead is so terrible. On the Alexander Star, since the solved state is so hard to identify, it's very difficult to see what you've already done, so when you're looking for a new piece it's easy to forget where you want to put it by the time you've found it. No matter how well it's lubricated, you need almost zero recognition time to solve that quickly, and it's simply not going to happen on that puzzle. I think it's going to be the same way with the 4x4x4 -> 2x2x2 approach. Even if it can be done in an average of, say, 120 moves (of which 85% is the pairing up stage), you're not likely to be able to do 2 moves per second when you can barely see what you're doing. Try this: scramble a 4x4x4 like a 2x2x2, then like a 3x3x3. Now try to solve the 3x3x3 in under 30 seconds. This is the kind of situation you're going to face, and that is the kind of speed you're going to be looking for. Another thing to think about is to compare the 2x2x2 reduction strategy to a corners-first cage method. In a sample 2x2x2 reduction method you have the following steps: - Put edgewings next to their corners. - Put centers next to their edgewings. - Solve like 2x2x2. Whereas in a corners-first cage method you have the following steps: - Solve corners like 2x2x2. - Put edgewings next to their corners. - Put centers next to their edgewings. I think the comparison between the two methods makes it obvious which is easier. Notice the steps are just rearranged, so in theory each method takes the same number of moves. But in the first method, you have to match up things that are scattered around the cube to other things that are scattered around the cube. When you're doing the centers, too, center pieces of the same color are scattered around the cube, so you have a lot less leeway in your cycles. In the second method, on the other hand, after you've solved the corners it's easy to see where everything goes, and similar pieces are placed next to each other immediately. They have the same movecount, but the first has much more recognition time. So, while a 2x2x2 reduction method might be interesting, it can not be efficient for speedcubing. If all you're looking for is speed, it would be much better to learn a corners-first or cage method...

can you or anyone please name some good websites that have the "real"/correct steps on them, besides Jessica Fridrich's website? On 1/23/07, andyaycw <andyaycw@...> wrote: > > 3-look LL means solving the last layer in 3 steps. 4-look is solving > it in 4 steps. > > Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers > at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of > 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) OLL being orienting the edges...and > PLL being permutating the last layer. > > A 3-look LL usually involves learning all of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > of the OLL algorithms. This comes to a total of around 30 algorithms. > > A 4-look LL involves memorizing about 8 of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > of the OLL algorithms. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

3 look means you execute 3 algorithms to solve the last layer (Orient and permute), 4 look means it takes 4. ----- Original Message ----- From: David<mailto:b3ttis@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Question about the Fridrich Method what the difference between 3-look and 4-look? On 1/23/07, andyaycw <andyaycw@...<mailto:andyaycw@...>> wrote: > > It depends how much of the method you want to learn. > > For me... > > learning F2L intuitively took less than an hour... > learning a 4-look LL took two days to memorize the algorithms... > learning a 3-look LL took a week to memorize the algorithms... > > basically, just memorize several new algorithms every day, and maybe > take the weekend off by just reviewing what you have memorized so far. > trying to learn too many algorithms in too short a time period is not > very good. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com><speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "res0lute" <b3ttis@...> > wrote: > > > > I looked at Jessica Fridrich's Method on her webstie and she has a ton > > of formulas and algorithums. I have also looked at other websites and > > have seen a lot of different patterns. Like, do all the pros have R' > > D' R D R' D' R memorized to "Insert the edge and twist the corner"? > > Also, is there an easy way to learn the Frifrich method. I dobut there > > is but I might as well ask. O, and about how long does it take to > > learn the fridrich method? > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I found chris hardwick's site very helpful for fridrich which is attached to speedcubing.com, also danscubestation.co.uk has all fridrich algorithms. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, David <b3ttis@...> wrote: > > can you or anyone please name some good websites that have the > "real"/correct steps on them, besides Jessica Fridrich's website? > > > > On 1/23/07, andyaycw <andyaycw@...> wrote: > > > > 3-look LL means solving the last layer in 3 steps. 4-look is solving > > it in 4 steps. > > > > Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers > > at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of > > 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) OLL being orienting the edges...and > > PLL being permutating the last layer. > > > > A 3-look LL usually involves learning all of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > > of the OLL algorithms. This comes to a total of around 30 algorithms. > > > > A 4-look LL involves memorizing about 8 of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > > of the OLL algorithms. > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Heh, thanks for correcting my math there. I can't add! :P Yeah, 78 algs. thanks for the correction. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Reynolds" <timothy.reynolds2@...> wrote: > > > > Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers > > at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of > > 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) > > 53 + 21 = 73? > > By the way, it's 57 OLL and 21 PLL, for a total of 78 algorithms. > > Tim >

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "xkiesterx" <kianb@...> wrote: > > I found chris hardwick's site very helpful for fridrich which is > attached to speedcubing.com, also danscubestation.co.uk has all > fridrich algorithms. cubestation.co.uk

> The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend This is not Java, but maybe it does the job: http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html Select a mode down the bottom, and then click the pieces you want to modify. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Ahh ... Thats cool but not really what i was looking for. Also the input string at the bottom is not in ACube format. For instance twisting 2 edges (UF and UR) your GUI will say -UF -UR and not FU RU. Or does ACube really support that format? I wasn't aware of that :-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > > The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend > > This is not Java, but maybe it does the job: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html > > Select a mode down the bottom, and then click the pieces you want to > modify. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hi :-) What's the most countries ever participating in the sunday contest one particular week? Ok ok it's not an official wca competition and it's only online ... ;-) -Per K Fredlund > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > World Championship 1982 ? > 19 competitors, 19 countries... > > It can't be a bad bet :p > > > Ok thanks for the info : my goal is now to become the most travelling > cuber... > I still have to go to Italy, Japan, Taïwan, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, > Canada ?... Hungary of course > There is plenty of room for improvement. :-) > > Gilles > > 2007/1/23, Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...>: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com>, > > Rune Wesström > > <rune.wesstrom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stefan Pochmann > > > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube% 40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Help - Cube Proposal > > > > > > > > > > Oh hey, who can guess which competition drew competitors from the > > > > most countries? (I realize it's an awkward sentence, improve it > > if > > > > you can.) > > > > > > > > > Czech Open 2006 > > > > Nope, it only had competitors from eight different countries, that's > > a shared 9th place. But for having only 19 competitors, eight > > countries isn't bad. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Short answer: Beginners method (4-10 look): 4 algs OLL Edges 1 alg, performed between 1 and 3 times OLL Corners 1 alg, performed between 1 and 3 times PLL Corners 1 alg, performed between 1 and 2 times PLL Edges 1 alg, performed between 1 and 2 times 4 Look: 16 algs (+12) OLL Edges 3 algs OLL Corners 7 algs PLL Corners 2 algs PLL Edges 4 algs 3 Look: 31 algs (+15) OLL Edges 3 algs OLL Corners 7 algs PLL Edges + Corners 21 algs 2 Look: 78 algs (+47) OLL Edges + Corners 57 algs PLL Edges + Corners 21 algs Full Fridrich also means 41 algs for the first 2 layers. --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: Question about the Fridrich Method Datum: 23/01/07 15:38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3-look LL means solving the last layer in 3 steps. 4-look is solving > it in 4 steps. > > Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers > at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of > 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) OLL being orienting the edges...and > PLL being permutating the last layer. > > A 3-look LL usually involves learning all of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > of the OLL algorithms. This comes to a total of around 30 algorithms. > > A 4-look LL involves memorizing about 8 of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > of the OLL algorithms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

To complete your answer : 1 Look LL : > 8000 algorithms But nobody knows them all ;-) GIlles 2007/1/24, Avgalen <avgalen@...>: > > Short answer: > > Beginners method (4-10 look): 4 algs > OLL Edges 1 alg, performed between 1 and 3 times > OLL Corners 1 alg, performed between 1 and 3 times > PLL Corners 1 alg, performed between 1 and 2 times > PLL Edges 1 alg, performed between 1 and 2 times > > 4 Look: 16 algs (+12) > OLL Edges 3 algs > OLL Corners 7 algs > PLL Corners 2 algs > PLL Edges 4 algs > > 3 Look: 31 algs (+15) > OLL Edges 3 algs > OLL Corners 7 algs > PLL Edges + Corners 21 algs > > 2 Look: 78 algs (+47) > OLL Edges + Corners 57 algs > PLL Edges + Corners 21 algs > > Full Fridrich also means 41 algs for the first 2 layers. > > --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- > Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Onderwerp: [Speed cubing group] Re: Question about the Fridrich Method > Datum: 23/01/07 15:38 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3-look LL means solving the last layer in 3 steps. 4-look is > solving > > it in 4 steps. > > > > Full Fridrich involves learning F2L (completing the first two layers > > at the same time) and a 2-look LL. I believe a 2-look LL consists of > > 73 algorithms (53 OLL + 21 PLL.) OLL being orienting the edges...and > > PLL being permutating the last layer. > > > > A 3-look LL usually involves learning all of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > > of the OLL algorithms. This comes to a total of around 30 algorithms. > > > > A 4-look LL involves memorizing about 8 of the PLL algorithms, and 8 > > of the OLL algorithms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jsreed5" <jsreed5@...> wrote: > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when there > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at once > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > method is and where I can find out about it? > What sense does it make to ask us (especially with that little information) instead of him? Stefan

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html > > the input string at the bottom is not in ACube format. Sure it is. >From the ACube documentation... > For orientation of corners only the first letter of the triple is > important. So UFR is equivalent of URF but not e.g. FUR. > You can also precede the double or triple by '+', '-', or '@'. It > affects the orientation of the given cubie in the same way. e.g. +UFR is the known piece UFR twisted clockwise +? is an unknown piece twisted clockwise The program logic was much simpler if '+' was used for both known and unknown pieces, and it also happened to be the way I always notated cubes by hand. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Anders Larsson has got a corners first method where he solves FL corners, LL corners, FL edges, LL edges and finnaly ML edges. That's a method that fits the the description pretty well. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "jsreed5" <jsreed5@> wrote: > > > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when > there > > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at > once > > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > > method is and where I can find out about it? > > > > What sense does it make to ask us (especially with that little > information) instead of him? > > Stefan >

I don't know how many algs a 1 look LL would be, but according to http://www.ai.univ-paris8.fr/~bh/cube/ it is 1211 without mirrors and inversions. That might indeed be > 8000 algs, but I think anyone that it willing to learn that many algs will also be capable of mirroring/inverting them on-the-fly! --------- Oorspronkelijk bericht -------- Van: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Naar: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com <speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Onderwerp: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Question about the Fridrich Method Datum: 24/01/07 01:58 > > To complete your answer : > > 1 Look LL : > 8000 algorithms > > But nobody knows them all ;-) > > GIlles > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.9

Ah, ok i didn't read Josef's "help-file" well enough. Never noticed the +/- possibilities. besides im mostly interested in an "ACube-companion" that will transform a move sequence to a valid input string. Then one can take an algorithm for a method case and use ACube to find more personally suitable algs. Ryan i think your page can do that with a little modification ;-) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Ahh ... > > Thats cool but not really what i was looking for. Also the input > string at the bottom is not in ACube format. For instance twisting 2 > edges (UF and UR) your GUI will say -UF -UR and not FU RU. Or does > ACube really support that format? I wasn't aware of that :-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise > <ryan@> wrote: > > > > > The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend > > > > This is not Java, but maybe it does the job: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html > > > > Select a mode down the bottom, and then click the pieces you want to > > modify. > > > > -- > > Ryan Heise > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Gustavsson To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:59 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: What's this method? . Kenneth: Does the site "Svenska kubföreningen" work? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

No, it's down for the moment but Gustav is working on getting it back up again. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Rune Wesström <rune.wesstrom@...> wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kenneth Gustavsson > To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 2:59 PM > Subject: [Speed cubing group] Re: What's this method? > > > . > > Kenneth: Does the site "Svenska kubföreningen" work? > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Clancy!! Cynical and hateful is not the same ;-) Cheers! -Per PS! Im cynical/sceptical about some times posted yes, but hateful about G Bush jr :D > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

stefan you having a tough time of it at the moment old boy? you seem awfully hormonal. p --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" <pochmann@...> wrote: > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > "jsreed5" <jsreed5@> wrote: > > > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when > there > > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at > once > > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > > method is and where I can find out about it? > > > > What sense does it make to ask us (especially with that little > information) instead of him? > > Stefan >

No he didn't, I guess the next time I see him I can ask. All he said was that he learned it a long time ago, like a few years after the cube came out in the US. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > it could be a number of corners first methods i'd guess, i doubt it would be waterman since its a large alg list for that but it could be some offshoot of that, the only older method i can think of is that, unless it could be from minh thai 'the winning solution' or whatever. did he say when he learned that method? > > joey_gouly <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jsreed5" <jsreed5@> > wrote: > > > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when there > > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at once > > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > > method is and where I can find out about it? > > > It sounds like it could be Guimond, which is written up > http://www.rubikscuberecord.com/ I could be wrong, someoneelse could > confirm. > > Joey > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

well i'd guess some sort of corners first method and the only one that i've even heard of from back then is waterman, or guimond, or possibly minh thai's solution, but most of them are so involved to learn them i'm sure he'd know exactly where and when it came from. maybe next time get a synopsis of each step he considers and we might be able to find out more jsreed5 <jsreed5@...> wrote: No he didn't, I guess the next time I see him I can ask. All he said was that he learned it a long time ago, like a few years after the cube came out in the US. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > it could be a number of corners first methods i'd guess, i doubt it would be waterman since its a large alg list for that but it could be some offshoot of that, the only older method i can think of is that, unless it could be from minh thai 'the winning solution' or whatever. did he say when he learned that method? > > joey_gouly <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "jsreed5" <jsreed5@> > wrote: > > > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when there > > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at once > > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > > method is and where I can find out about it? > > > It sounds like it could be Guimond, which is written up > http://www.rubikscuberecord.com/ I could be wrong, someoneelse could > confirm. > > Joey > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yu Jeong-Min posted quite a few video's on his website... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I don't know if any of you are also collector's of Rubik's Books, but I have a good copy of "The Winning solution to Rubik's Revenge" for sale on Ebay. Just search for Rubik's Revenge and it should pop up. ok, so it's a shameless plug Eric

He's talking about everyone else. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Yu Jeong-Min posted quite a few video's on his website... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just > wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages > he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard > to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, > without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to > equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown > a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats > up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a > hater? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >

wow why are so many cubers really good with Java? On 1/24/07, Per Kristen Fredlund <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Ah, ok i didn't read Josef's "help-file" well enough. Never noticed > the +/- possibilities. > > besides im mostly interested in an "ACube-companion" that will > transform a move sequence to a valid input string. Then one can take > an algorithm for a method case and use ACube to find more personally > suitable algs. Ryan i think your page can do that with a little > modification ;-) > > Cheers! > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Per Kristen > Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > > > Ahh ... > > > > Thats cool but not really what i was looking for. Also the input > > string at the bottom is not in ACube format. For instance twisting > 2 > > edges (UF and UR) your GUI will say -UF -UR and not FU RU. Or does > > ACube really support that format? I wasn't aware of that :-) > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Ryan Heise > > <ryan@> wrote: > > > > > > > The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend > > > > > > This is not Java, but maybe it does the job: > > > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html > > > > > > Select a mode down the bottom, and then click the pieces you want > to > > > modify. > > > > > > -- > > > Ryan Heise > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It would be so cool to have speedcubing competitions on ESPN.

I don't know if this has been tried before (tell me if you invented it or if you know that someone did), but I've thought of a method for 4x4x4 that's related to both Per's method and the centers-first method (and also to a 2x2x2 :P) and I think that if you can find and execute an edgewing commutator in about three seconds you could probably average about 1 minute on this method. Here's the idea: 1) Solve all centers. Use whatever approach you want. This should take about 14 seconds on average. 2) Solve all corners, then orient them in relation to the centers. Do it like a 2x2x2, or 3x3x3 corners. This should take about 6 seconds on average, or maybe a little less. 3) Solve all edgewings. I use mostly single-piece commutators, but some 3x3x3 moves if I get a matched pair. For three-cycles, always solve (at least) two pieces at a time. If you use purely commutators, you have to find and deal with 12-13 "steps" (three-cycles, pairs of transpositions, or a parity step). If you can do each in about 3 seconds this will take you 40 seconds. Commutators may not even be the best strategy here. I know that anyone used to corners-first will (at first) have a difficult time trying to find the three-cycles, but after a while finding them and setting them up will be easy. If you already use a method that uses commutators (Per? Kirjava?) this will probably be pretty easy for you, and if you are good at 4x4x4 blindfold (Chris? Mátyás? Marcus?) you just have to get used to seeing what you're doing :). You may not like the 2x2x2, you may not like me, but if you have an extra ten minutes try solving a 4x4x4 like this a few times. I don't know if you'll like it, but, as they say, there's only one way to find out!

yea that would be awesome or there could be like a Rubik's Cube Talk Show On 1/24/07, nailicis2 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > It would be so cool to have speedcubing competitions on ESPN. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey all, As some of you may remember, we were talking about questions and statements we hate to hear a little while ago. I have a new one for the list. "Do you need some kind of drug to do that?" At first, I didn't hear him (I was listening to my iPod) "What?" I asked. He repeated himself. Stunned, I simply answered "No" and kept on solving with my iPod on so I didn't have to listen to questions like that again. I think listening to music is the second best defense to these questions. It tells people that you're not going to hear their questions so why bother. The best defense is probably telling them to #%$@ off with less colorful language, but sometimes... *sigh* (I have yet to resort to this and probably never will, but I am often tempted to try). Anyway, that's my two cents. Rory

Hey guys! I've been watching a lot of videos of speed cubers and I see a lot of them use this program on their PC(or MAC) that when they press the space bar the time starts and when they press it again the time stops. It can be seen in this video: http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/615 So if any could tell me the name of this program or give me the link to it, I would be very thankful. o, and is it speedcubber or speedcuber or speed cubber or speed cuber? I don't know how to spell it :(

www.rubiks.dk Enjoy! Rory res0lute <b3ttis@...> wrote: Hey guys! I've been watching a lot of videos of speed cubers and I see a lot of them use this program on their PC(or MAC) that when they press the space bar the time starts and when they press it again the time stops. It can be seen in this video: http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/615 So if any could tell me the name of this program or give me the link to it, I would be very thankful. o, and is it speedcubber or speedcuber or speed cubber or speed cuber? I don't know how to spell it :( --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 1/24/07, Rory Margraf <enguarde1234@...> wrote: > > www.rubiks.dk > > Enjoy! > Rory Actually the program in that video looks like JNetCube. http://www.strangepuzzle.com/jnetcube.html

JNetCube? http://strangepuzzle.com/jnetcube.html As far as I know, it's speedcuber. Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "res0lute" <b3ttis@...> wrote: > > Hey guys! > > I've been watching a lot of videos of speed cubers and I see a lot of > them use this program on their PC(or MAC) that when they press the > space bar the time starts and when they press it again the time stops. > It can be seen in this video: http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/615 > So if any could tell me the name of this program or give me the link > to it, I would be very thankful. > > o, and is it speedcubber or speedcuber or speed cubber or speed cuber? > > I don't know how to spell it :( >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html > > transform a move sequence to a valid input string. --8<-- > i think your page can do that > with a little modification Yes, I could add twists... but is it really that valuable? A typical PLL case would take maybe 16 twists (quarter turns) to set up. But it would only take 2 swaps which is a much faster way to set it up. Also, people often want to find solutions to cases that they don't know how to solve. Therefore they may not know how to set up the case via twists, or may only be able to do it after very lengthy maneuvers. Here, it would be much easier to set up the case by directly moving the pieces around, I think. Of course, I could add twists, if it were *really* that important, (when I also have sime time), but until then you could use Mike Reid's twist.c program for that. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Yeah, it is JNetCube. Set the countdown to 0, and when you push space it starts. ----- Original Message ----- From: res0lute<mailto:b3ttis@...> To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<mailto:speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [Speed cubing group] that timing program Hey guys! I've been watching a lot of videos of speed cubers and I see a lot of them use this program on their PC(or MAC) that when they press the space bar the time starts and when they press it again the time stops. It can be seen in this video: http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/615<http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/615> So if any could tell me the name of this program or give me the link to it, I would be very thankful. o, and is it speedcubber or speedcuber or speed cubber or speed cuber? I don't know how to spell it :( [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello guys, When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was a 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, and 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one side of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but also setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when I clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, and do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? Thanks! Joël.

It took some time to find it, but I found a pic of it on the internet: http://iq-puzzle.com.hk/images/escape1.jpg --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hello guys, > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was a > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, and > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one side > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but also > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when I > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, and > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > Thanks! > > Joël. >

One thing does NOT exclude another, look at CubeExlorer for instance ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/gacube.html > > > > transform a move sequence to a valid input string. > --8<-- > > i think your page can do that > > with a little modification > > Yes, I could add twists... but is it really that valuable? > > A typical PLL case would take maybe 16 twists (quarter turns) to set up. > But it would only take 2 swaps which is a much faster way to set it up. > > Also, people often want to find solutions to cases that they don't know > how to solve. Therefore they may not know how to set up the case via > twists, or may only be able to do it after very lengthy maneuvers. Here, > it would be much easier to set up the case by directly moving the pieces > around, I think. > > Of course, I could add twists, if it were *really* that important, (when > I also have sime time), but until then you could use Mike Reid's twist.c > program for that. > > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hey Jöel!! That slide puzzle must be one level from the computer Klotski game. "Blocks" is also very similar but has many game-elements that do not make it into a real-life puzzle ;-) Like magnets and black- holes ... I saw a guy with such a puzzle in Paris during EC 2005. Cannot recall who that was, i think it was a swede :D -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hello guys, > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was a > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, and > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one side > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but also > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when I > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, and > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > Thanks! > > Joël. >

Was probably my brother (Tommy Gustavsson) because he got one of those and also had it with him in Paris. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hey Jöel!! > > That slide puzzle must be one level from the computer Klotski > game. "Blocks" is also very similar but has many game-elements that > do not make it into a real-life puzzle ;-) Like magnets and black- > holes ... I saw a guy with such a puzzle in Paris during EC 2005. > Cannot recall who that was, i think it was a swede :D > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hello guys, > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was > a > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, > and > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one > side > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but > also > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when > I > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, > and > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Joël. > > >

Hi Kenneth, Can you ask your brother if he also had a manual with instructions or setup-positions? I really love the puzzle. It is very hard to solve it, but not impossible. A lot of people will get it after sliding for 10/15 minutes. (Allthough a guy I know who is very good in puzzles had it in like, 3 minutes.. It took me a lot longer the first time..) - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > Was probably my brother (Tommy Gustavsson) because he got one of > those and also had it with him in Paris. > > // Kenneth > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > Hey Jöel!! > > > > That slide puzzle must be one level from the computer Klotski > > game. "Blocks" is also very similar but has many game-elements that > > do not make it into a real-life puzzle ;-) Like magnets and black- > > holes ... I saw a guy with such a puzzle in Paris during EC 2005. > > Cannot recall who that was, i think it was a swede :D > > > > -Per > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It > was > > a > > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 > blocks, > > and > > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one > > side > > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with > the > > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, > but > > also > > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it > when > > I > > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this > description, > > and > > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Joël. > > > > > >

Hi Per!! Thanks a lot for the name 'Klotski'.. That was KEY :). I think quite a few cubers in this group might want to try. In case ppl want to play the original setup, you can try this JAVA applet: http://www.puzzleworld.org/SlidingBlockPuzzles/sqroot.htm There are also different setup positions. This is a hard one: http://www.puzzleworld.org/SlidingBlockPuzzles/superc.htm Or you can choose from any of these: http://www.puzzleworld.org/SlidingBlockPuzzles/4x5.htm Hope you guys like this stuff ;) - Joël. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hey Jöel!! > > That slide puzzle must be one level from the computer Klotski > game. "Blocks" is also very similar but has many game-elements that > do not make it into a real-life puzzle ;-) Like magnets and black- > holes ... I saw a guy with such a puzzle in Paris during EC 2005. > Cannot recall who that was, i think it was a swede :D > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hello guys, > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was > a > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, > and > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one > side > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but > also > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when > I > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, > and > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Joël. > > >

Huh? What do you mean? He gave very little information, fitting even a lot of published methods (not to mention the infinite amount of non- published ones), and caused several people to guess what it could be. Even if someone guesses correctly, how could he/we verify? He has to ask his scoutmaster anyway. Why waste everybody's time with a useless guessing game and not simply ask his scoutmaster directly? Please notice that my comments like these are always an attempt to improve communication quality and make the world a better place. Maybe that's hormonal. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Nixon" <yahoo@...> wrote: > > stefan > > you having a tough time of it at the moment old boy? > > you seem awfully hormonal. > > p > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Stefan Pochmann" > <pochmann@> wrote: > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, > > "jsreed5" <jsreed5@> wrote: > > > > > > I oce brought a cube to a Boy Scout meeting and mixed it up when > > there > > > was a spare moment. My scocutmaster asked to see it, and he used a > > > method I'd never seen before, which included solving two faces at > > once > > > and solving the layer 2 edges last. Can anyone tell me what this > > > method is and where I can find out about it? > > > > > > > What sense does it make to ask us (especially with that little > > information) instead of him? > > > > Stefan > > >

Yu Jeong-Min = Gungz...lol Pedro Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> escreveu: Yu Jeong-Min posted quite a few video's on his website... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Lack of videos could be explained by lack of money for a video camera or lack of motivation to make videos. Lack of similar competition times can be explained by 1) the much higher number of attempts in practice compared with competitions and 2) nervousness etc caused by the competition environment. Ron for example needed quite a few competitions to get times like he can regularly do in relaxed practice or even moments before or after his official attempts. Also, I think even for Yu Jeong-Min his 11.76 is an exception. His record average of 100 is 13.52 so his 13.40 average in the final competition round is what should be expected. Simply don't take the unoffical results seriously. The official results are what counts. Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 average-of-100 but in my eyes Yu Jeong-Min is much better simply because he performs when it really matters. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The next confirmed competition is on May 5 in Irvine, CA at the Discovery Science Museum. We are currently working on some projects in Las Vegas and Chicago as well. -Tyson On 1/20/07, roxxinn <fognus@...> wrote: > > On speedcubing.com I saw that the Caltech spring comp was in April > sometime. Now it's not posted anymore. Did it get cancelled or what's > happening there? Anyone know when the next comp is in the U.S and > where? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > One thing does NOT exclude another, look at CubeExlorer for > instance ;-) Yes, but you didn't answer my question: Is it really that urgent? I'm limited with time right now. I've found that with CubeExplorer it takes about 10-15 seconds to set up a PLL case. But with my GACube interface it takes only 1-2 seconds. That makes me think it's not urgent, and I can leave such a feature until later when I have more time. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Ryan Heise wrote: > Yes, but you didn't answer my question: Is it really that urgent? I'm > limited with time right now. > > I've found that with CubeExplorer it takes about 10-15 seconds to set up > a PLL case. But with my GACube interface it takes only 1-2 seconds. That > makes me think it's not urgent, and I can leave such a feature until > later when I have more time. Scratch that, I "definitely" can't do this feature until later. Just no time right now... -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

I sent a link to this thread to him so he can read for himself. I dont know if he has got an Y-account but if not then he may reply to med so I can forward it =) // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > Hi Kenneth, > > Can you ask your brother if he also had a manual with instructions or > setup-positions? > > I really love the puzzle. It is very hard to solve it, but not > impossible. A lot of people will get it after sliding for 10/15 > minutes. (Allthough a guy I know who is very good in puzzles had it > in like, 3 minutes.. It took me a lot longer the first time..) > > - Joël. > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" > <kenneth@> wrote: > > > > Was probably my brother (Tommy Gustavsson) because he got one of > > those and also had it with him in Paris. > > > > // Kenneth > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen > Fredlund" > > <aspiring_to_love@> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Jöel!! > > > > > > That slide puzzle must be one level from the computer Klotski > > > game. "Blocks" is also very similar but has many game-elements > that > > > do not make it into a real-life puzzle ;-) Like magnets and black- > > > holes ... I saw a guy with such a puzzle in Paris during EC 2005. > > > Cannot recall who that was, i think it was a swede :D > > > > > > -Per > > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > > > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It > > was > > > a > > > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 > > blocks, > > > and > > > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from > one > > > side > > > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with > > the > > > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, > > but > > > also > > > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it > > when > > > I > > > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this > > description, > > > and > > > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Joël. > > > > > > > > > >

Stefan Pochmann wrote: > Please notice that my comments like these are always an attempt to > improve communication quality and make the world a better place. BTW, is it possible to write some posting guidelines and have them shown to new members before they join the group? If so, what should the posting guidelines be? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

The Mandalay Box Co. Makes a version they call the "Setting Sun" puzzle. They sell them at Cracker Barrel (or used to) here in the states. My wife bought me one for Christmas a few years back, very elegant looking puzzle. Some info and a solution can be found here: http://www.themandalayboxcompany.com/default.asp?page=products,product.asp?catID%20=12 Hope that helps! Daniel --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > It took some time to find it, but I found a pic of it on the internet: > > http://iq-puzzle.com.hk/images/escape1.jpg > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hello guys, > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was > a > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, > and > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one > side > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but > also > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when > I > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, > and > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Joël. > > >

Actually, Yu Jeong-Min's best 100 avg is 12.93 http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/643 he also had a 13.19 on 102 cubes, using DIY http://4none.goodmeet.net/909-tt/644 (that I imagine is not his usual cube) I could make a video of a full average as well, but I don't think many people would be interested on watching a 15-16 avg video... Pedro Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@gmx.de> escreveu: Lack of videos could be explained by lack of money for a video camera or lack of motivation to make videos. Lack of similar competition times can be explained by 1) the much higher number of attempts in practice compared with competitions and 2) nervousness etc caused by the competition environment. Ron for example needed quite a few competitions to get times like he can regularly do in relaxed practice or even moments before or after his official attempts. Also, I think even for Yu Jeong-Min his 11.76 is an exception. His record average of 100 is 13.52 so his 13.40 average in the final competition round is what should be expected. Simply don't take the unoffical results seriously. The official results are what counts. Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 average-of-100 but in my eyes Yu Jeong-Min is much better simply because he performs when it really matters. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Ryan! Noone is demanding that you IMMEDIATELY fulfill any/every suggestion;- ) No it's not urgent as such. I will make my own application that transforms a sequence of moves into an ACube input string format, possibly including layer-restrictions. As part of this i will implement a good "sequence purifier" that will allow say : D U''nonsense 2 F2D' and convert that to a series of valid tokens, in this case : D U' F2 D'. This part is already coded and was easy. I may add conersion of repetitions (....)*n and commutators [P.Q]= PQPQ' to "linear" format later ... and nested versions of all these so it would transform for instance : [F R D'[L,B],U F2 (RDB)*2] to : F R D' L B L' B'. U F2 R D B R D B2 L B' L' D R' F' B' D' R' B' D' R' F2 U' (correct afaik)(note that a B B was converted to B2!!) Cheers! -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > One thing does NOT exclude another, look at CubeExlorer for > > instance ;-) > > Yes, but you didn't answer my question: Is it really that urgent? I'm > limited with time right now. > > I've found that with CubeExplorer it takes about 10-15 seconds to set up > a PLL case. But with my GACube interface it takes only 1-2 seconds. That > makes me think it's not urgent, and I can leave such a feature until > later when I have more time. > > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hi Ryan, and everyone, As one of the moderators I can try to clarify how I approach what I use as my own personal posting guidelines if that helps. I looked at the settings of this group and I don't really see anything that e- mails a set message to all newly registered members. As an alternative maybe we could compile any guidelines about posting ideas into a file and put it in the files section? As far as how I approach posting guidelines I always and without fail delete posts that: 1) Are empty 2) Are solely sexual or religious in nature 3) Are selling or advertising a good or service or thing not related to cubing in any way 4) Are so deragatory or mean as to offend my sensibilities, and I do try to be lenient here I also delete files that are solely sexual or religious in nature, and would do so to any files I noticed that had no or extremely limited content (basically like an empty post). I do this in order to free up room for people who want to post files more related to our group discussion. I view this group more as an ongoing conversation, and I try as hard as possible not to interupt that conversation. Again I can't speak for Ron or Doug, but those are the limitations I give myself for deleting any content in this group. Otherwise I let things carry on as they carry on and I try not to interupt. As far as off topic posts go I think they contribute wonderfully as long as they satisfy a couple of ground rules: 1) They need not be totally cube related. Loosely cube related material is always allowed unless it is used to try to let slip by a post that is basically just a post as I described above from the list of posts I always delete. 2) Posts completely unrelated to cubing are also allowed as long as they are marked off topic and as long as the material in the post is interesting to enough people as to warrant it being a side conversation within this larger conversation. Only if a large number of people request for an off topic post to be deleted would I actually delete it though. Anyway that's how I approach posts on this group. Hope this helps, let me know if there is anything else I can answer or if I didn't fully answer your question or get your meaning. Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Stefan Pochmann wrote: > > > Please notice that my comments like these are always an attempt to > > improve communication quality and make the world a better place. > > BTW, is it possible to write some posting guidelines and have them shown > to new members before they join the group? > > If so, what should the posting guidelines be? > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

i can understand not everyone has access to video cameras, but in this world of technology i'm sure everyone knows someone that has a camera they can use, i know if i was doing sub 13 averages of 100, i'd find a camera, and be motivated to share what my very hard work had accomplished. i can appreciate that the best work is done at home, i am no exception to that, but i don't do 16 averages at home then come in to comps and do 22 averages. i don't see how the competition pressure could be such a huge difference. ron does great at most competitions, and more importantly he doesn't say that at home he has 11 second averages, he conveys his skill very accurately and has a lot of documentation to back it up. same with yjm, he had numerous amazing sunday contest videos, then when the time came he walked into a competition and wiped the floor, first comp ever and a sub 12 average. using the example you did, how can i possible be expected to believe those averages from thibaut. average of 12 was 11.63 and average of 100 12.5.... when i look at competition times, he has had 23 total solves, only 3 are sub 15, how can your times be nearly 25% worse in competitions? also, 7.56 f2l average...first that sounds pretty low for a cuber that has usually averaged well over 15 seconds in comps, second how do you stop to take time when doing all these amazing solves to note each f2l time? i hate to say it but i don't believe it and i think it takes away from people like yjm that are actually able to do it. it really does a discourtesy to misrepresent yourself to other cubers since its makes the difficult seem easy, or the impossible seem possible. unofficial records are a joke because these little embellishments get out of hand and people claim crazy things. i think its kind of lost it purpose as a gauge of at home performances, which is why i don't have any unofficial records, except for things that dont' happen at competitions like supercubes and relays. i like the idea and its a great part of speedcubing.com, but i think it has lost some of its value because of things like this. Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Lack of videos could be explained by lack of money for a video camera or lack of motivation to make videos. Lack of similar competition times can be explained by 1) the much higher number of attempts in practice compared with competitions and 2) nervousness etc caused by the competition environment. Ron for example needed quite a few competitions to get times like he can regularly do in relaxed practice or even moments before or after his official attempts. Also, I think even for Yu Jeong-Min his 11.76 is an exception. His record average of 100 is 13.52 so his 13.40 average in the final competition round is what should be expected. Simply don't take the unoffical results seriously. The official results are what counts. Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 average-of-100 but in my eyes Yu Jeong-Min is much better simply because he performs when it really matters. Cheers! Stefan --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a hater? > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

cmhardw wrote: > but those are the limitations I give myself for deleting any content > in this group. These are good, although I didn't necessarily mean things your post might get deleted for, but just guidelines to help promote healthy threads. Some of the more interesting guidelines from: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html - Mail should have a subject heading which reflects the content of the message. - Use mixed case. UPPER CASE LOOKS AS IF YOU'RE SHOUTING. - Read all of a discussion in progress (we call this a thread) before posting replies. Avoid posting "Me Too" messages, where content is limited to agreement with previous posts. Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content. - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of the culture of the group. - If you are caught in an argument, keep the discussion focused on issues rather than the personalities involved. - "Reasonable" expectations for conduct via e-mail depend on your relationship to a person and the context of the communication. Norms learned in a particular e-mail environment may not apply in general to your e-mail communication with people across the Internet. Be careful with slang or local acronyms. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hey everyone, I finally did an update to my website http://www.vanderblonk.com. I made a 10 min. video about speedcubing and I'd like to know what you think (it's not for speedcubers, more for beginners). I know it's in WMV and I'll try to get a Flash or Mpg version there. Also some of you might know my animated applet page, where you can demonstrate algs. (to see it just click the "animated applet" button on the page). I improved it and it has a lot more options now, most notably you can add any parameter the applet understands in the url. Some of the options are: - change applet by adding e.g. &applettype=petrus to the url - 4x4 and 5x5 applet, by adding &cubesize=4 or &cubesize=5 - stickers, this one I like in particular, e.g. http://vanderblonk.com/cube/ cubeapplet.asp?alg=UF'U'FU'RUR'&stickers=f2l And of course if you have a website with algorithms you can insert a link to the applet page that demonstrates your algorithm. I'll add more features soon. have fun! Michiel

good points :) I don't have a camera, but I also don't have under 13 seconds averages. If I was that good, i I would ask one of my friends to use their camera. Its not that every time people should upload videos, but one video at least shows how good you are. On 1/25/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i can understand not everyone has access to video cameras, but in this > world of technology i'm sure everyone knows someone that has a camera they > can use, i know if i was doing sub 13 averages of 100, i'd find a camera, > and be motivated to share what my very hard work had accomplished. > > i can appreciate that the best work is done at home, i am no exception to > that, but i don't do 16 averages at home then come in to comps and do 22 > averages. i don't see how the competition pressure could be such a huge > difference. ron does great at most competitions, and more importantly he > doesn't say that at home he has 11 second averages, he conveys his skill > very accurately and has a lot of documentation to back it up. same with yjm, > he had numerous amazing sunday contest videos, then when the time came he > walked into a competition and wiped the floor, first comp ever and a sub 12 > average. > > using the example you did, how can i possible be expected to believe those > averages from thibaut. average of 12 was 11.63 and average of 100 12.5.... > when i look at competition times, he has had 23 total solves, only 3 are sub > 15, how can your times be nearly 25% worse in competitions? also, 7.56 f2l > average...first that sounds pretty low for a cuber that has usually averaged > well over 15 seconds in comps, second how do you stop to take time when > doing all these amazing solves to note each f2l time? i hate to say it but i > don't believe it and i think it takes away from people like yjm that are > actually able to do it. it really does a discourtesy to misrepresent > yourself to other cubers since its makes the difficult seem easy, or the > impossible seem possible. > > unofficial records are a joke because these little embellishments get out > of hand and people claim crazy things. i think its kind of lost it purpose > as a gauge of at home performances, which is why i don't have any unofficial > records, except for things that dont' happen at competitions like supercubes > and relays. i like the idea and its a great part of speedcubing.com, but i > think it has lost some of its value because of things like this. > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@... <pochmann%40gmx.de>> wrote: Lack of > videos could be explained by lack of money for a video camera > > or lack of motivation to make videos. > > Lack of similar competition times can be explained by 1) the much > higher number of attempts in practice compared with competitions and > 2) nervousness etc caused by the competition environment. Ron for > example needed quite a few competitions to get times like he can > regularly do in relaxed practice or even moments before or after his > official attempts. > > Also, I think even for Yu Jeong-Min his 11.76 is an exception. His > record average of 100 is 13.52 so his 13.40 average in the final > competition round is what should be expected. > > Simply don't take the unoffical results seriously. The official > results are what counts. Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 > average-of-100 but in my eyes Yu Jeong-Min is much better simply > because he performs when it really matters. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogroups.com>, > Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just > wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages > he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard > to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, > without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to > equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown > a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats > up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a > hater? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, I have updated my site: http://www.vanderblonk.com. I added a video introduction to speedcubing. Let me know what you think. I am working on converting it to Flash or MPG, as I know not everyone will be able to view the WMV movie. I also know a lot of people have been using my cubeapplet page with the configurable RubikPlayer, so I decided to improve that one as well. Just click on "Animated Cube" on the page to see it, and you might recognize it. I now changed the page to not only be able to take the 'alg' parameter in the url, but any parameter the applet understands. Some other possibilities: - switch applet by adding &applettype=jelinek or &applettype=petrus - showing algorithms using the Randelshofer 4x4 and 5x5 applet Personally I like &stickers=f2l http://vanderblonk.com/cube/cubeapplet.asp?alg=UF'U'FU'RUR'&stickers=f2l Let me know what you think. I'll add more features soon. Michiel

Hm, my other reply didn't show up from a few hours ago... Anyway, I agree with you, Clancy. I don't post unofficial averages either, although I did compete in the Sunday Contest quite often several months ago. As far as competitions go, I do get nervous, like at the second round of Berkeley Fall. After the first two solves, I was extremely nervous--on top of normally being somewhat nervous. I mean, I hit two good times, and I thought something nice might result, so I was extremely nervous. But I still managed to get decent times close to my "at home" average--not to say that I was happy with the times, since I was locking up and losing my grip... And of course, there's one person who should probably come to mind in terms of honesty in actual performance... a certain young cuber who showed up to Caltech Winter 2006 and started posting incredibly faster averages not too long after. Darren --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > i can understand not everyone has access to video cameras, but in this world of technology i'm sure everyone knows someone that has a camera they can use, i know if i was doing sub 13 averages of 100, i'd find a camera, and be motivated to share what my very hard work had accomplished. > > i can appreciate that the best work is done at home, i am no exception to that, but i don't do 16 averages at home then come in to comps and do 22 averages. i don't see how the competition pressure could be such a huge difference. ron does great at most competitions, and more importantly he doesn't say that at home he has 11 second averages, he conveys his skill very accurately and has a lot of documentation to back it up. same with yjm, he had numerous amazing sunday contest videos, then when the time came he walked into a competition and wiped the floor, first comp ever and a sub 12 average. > > using the example you did, how can i possible be expected to believe those averages from thibaut. average of 12 was 11.63 and average of 100 12.5.... when i look at competition times, he has had 23 total solves, only 3 are sub 15, how can your times be nearly 25% worse in competitions? also, 7.56 f2l average...first that sounds pretty low for a cuber that has usually averaged well over 15 seconds in comps, second how do you stop to take time when doing all these amazing solves to note each f2l time? i hate to say it but i don't believe it and i think it takes away from people like yjm that are actually able to do it. it really does a discourtesy to misrepresent yourself to other cubers since its makes the difficult seem easy, or the impossible seem possible. > > unofficial records are a joke because these little embellishments get out of hand and people claim crazy things. i think its kind of lost it purpose as a gauge of at home performances, which is why i don't have any unofficial records, except for things that dont' happen at competitions like supercubes and relays. i like the idea and its a great part of speedcubing.com, but i think it has lost some of its value because of things like this. > > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@...> wrote: Lack of videos could be explained by lack of money for a video camera > or lack of motivation to make videos. > > Lack of similar competition times can be explained by 1) the much > higher number of attempts in practice compared with competitions and > 2) nervousness etc caused by the competition environment. Ron for > example needed quite a few competitions to get times like he can > regularly do in relaxed practice or even moments before or after his > official attempts. > > Also, I think even for Yu Jeong-Min his 11.76 is an exception. His > record average of 100 is 13.52 so his 13.40 average in the final > competition round is what should be expected. > > Simply don't take the unoffical results seriously. The official > results are what counts. Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 > average-of-100 but in my eyes Yu Jeong-Min is much better simply > because he performs when it really matters. > > Cheers! > Stefan > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Clancy Cochran > <perscription_death@> wrote: > > > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just > wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing averages > he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard > to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial list, > without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to > equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has shown > a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats > up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just a > hater? > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

>Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 > average-of-100 Average of ten?

Hi guys, I would like to add: - never post content of private e-mails/messages without consent of the writer - make sure the forum is fun. This is not a forum about politics or ethics, but about a hobby involving a toy. Have fun, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Heise To: speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [Speed cubing group] Re: Posting Guidelines (Was: What's this method?) cmhardw wrote: > but those are the limitations I give myself for deleting any content > in this group. These are good, although I didn't necessarily mean things your post might get deleted for, but just guidelines to help promote healthy threads. Some of the more interesting guidelines from: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html - Mail should have a subject heading which reflects the content of the message. - Use mixed case. UPPER CASE LOOKS AS IF YOU'RE SHOUTING. - Read all of a discussion in progress (we call this a thread) before posting replies. Avoid posting "Me Too" messages, where content is limited to agreement with previous posts. Content of a follow-up post should exceed quoted content. - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure readers understand when they start to read your response. Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context helps everyone. But do not include the entire original! - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of the culture of the group. - If you are caught in an argument, keep the discussion focused on issues rather than the personalities involved. - "Reasonable" expectations for conduct via e-mail depend on your relationship to a person and the context of the communication. Norms learned in a particular e-mail environment may not apply in general to your e-mail communication with people across the Internet. Be careful with slang or local acronyms. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > As an > alternative maybe we could compile any guidelines about posting ideas > into a file and put it in the files section? Hi Chris, I'm not quite sure how that would benefit the cause: most people wouldn't check the file section to find a "guidelines on posting" file (unless you edited the home page to instruct them to do so) Maybe (and I don't know how this is done as I'm not a moderator, but I know the caltech group does it) you could require moderator approval to join the forum, then when you approve someone email them a pre-written set of rules. This would, though, probably decrease the number of people who join, which is not a good thing. And it would be a large time commitment on the moderators' parts. Tim

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > No it's not urgent as such. I will make my own application that > transforms a sequence of moves into an ACube input string format, > possibly including layer-restrictions. No worries :-) I didn't really imagine that twists would be the preferred input method in a program like this, since the goal here is to set up cases graphically, presumably as quickly as possible. I accept that it wouldn't "hurt" to add twists to the interface, but I at least thought that this less important feature could wait until I had more time. Is there really a case in any method that is easier to set up with twists rather than swaps, using a "graphical" interface? I'm interested to know why my program fails to meet your needs. Is there a genuine case in any method that my program can't set up well, compared with twists? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hi everyone, So, I'm working on BLD solving using the method found on macky's site. Thus far i can do everything right up to corner permutation (i save it for last). My main problem is i get lost in my set up moves. (ex. cycle: (2 4 5)I would execute U' L2 D F2 to put them in 2 3 4 positions, permute, and the back out the set-up moves). Most of the time however i screw up my moves. I guess I'm down to like 3 options: 1. Suck it up and learn how to not get lost. 2. Learn algorithms for more specific cases (I'm willing to memorize definitely. 3. Think about set up moves differently (let me know if anyone has any ideas. I appreciate any help... i'd like to hear what my best option is. I've had many a messed up BLD solve and only one successful, from the start solve. Thanks! ~John H.~

If you get lost in a setup, try to remember the pieces you just solved and think about how you would have done the setup, rather than just trying to remember what you did. You should also try learning the R'FRF' cycles, they really help for cases like this. Good luck with BLD, it's a lot of fun. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > So, I'm working on BLD solving using the method found on macky's > site. Thus far i can do everything right up to corner permutation (i > save it for last). My main problem is i get lost in my set up moves. > (ex. cycle: (2 4 5)I would execute U' L2 D F2 to put them in 2 3 4 > positions, permute, and the back out the set-up moves). Most of the > time however i screw up my moves. I guess I'm down to like 3 options: > 1. Suck it up and learn how to not get lost. > 2. Learn algorithms for more specific cases (I'm willing to memorize > definitely. > 3. Think about set up moves differently (let me know if anyone has any > ideas. > I appreciate any help... i'd like to hear what my best option is. > I've had many a messed up BLD solve and only one successful, from the > start solve. Thanks! > > ~John H.~ >

Hi, Tyson does these cases using (R'FRF')x3 twice. For example, (245) can be done by something like D-(R'FRF')x3-D2-(L'BLB')x3-D, mod different directions (correct me if I'm wrong, Tyson). Macky giraffeboy13 <no_reply@...> a écrit: > > Hi everyone, > > So, I'm working on BLD solving using the method found on macky's > site. Thus far i can do everything right up to corner permutation (i > save it for last). My main problem is i get lost in my set up moves. > (ex. cycle: (2 4 5)I would execute U' L2 D F2 to put them in 2 3 4 > positions, permute, and the back out the set-up moves). > > [snip] > > ~John H.~

Hi, For (2 4 5), I would use: Setup: D Alg: R2 D' R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D2 R2 (11f*) Undo Setup: D' 27 turns is just too many turns for me. This alg can be decomposed into another alg with a setup: Setup: R2 D' Alg2: (R2 D' L2 D)^2 (8f*) Undo Setup: D R2 but I just think of it as a separate alg. I know I've seen Alg2 or a variation of it on someone's web site, but I don't recall where. - Bruce --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Tyson does these cases using (R'FRF')x3 twice. For example, (245) can > be done by something like D-(R'FRF')x3-D2-(L'BLB')x3-D, mod different > directions (correct me if I'm wrong, Tyson). > > Macky > > giraffeboy13 <no_reply@> a écrit: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > So, I'm working on BLD solving using the method found on macky's > > site. Thus far i can do everything right up to corner permutation (i > > save it for last). My main problem is i get lost in my set up moves. > > (ex. cycle: (2 4 5)I would execute U' L2 D F2 to put them in 2 3 4 > > positions, permute, and the back out the set-up moves). > > > > [snip] > > > > ~John H.~ >

Hi, Well, very fast ~27 moves. I can sub-3 (R'FRF')x3-D2-(R'FRF')x3-D2. I've seen that algorithm before, but isn't doing x2 and R2U'R2U'L2UR2U'L2U2R2 faster? OK, I just found (RB'R'B)x3-l2-(RB'R'B)x3-l2. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> skribis: > > Hi, > > For (2 4 5), I would use: > Setup: D > Alg: R2 D' R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D2 R2 (11f*) > Undo Setup: D' > > 27 turns is just too many turns for me. > > This alg can be decomposed into another alg with a setup: > > Setup: R2 D' > Alg2: (R2 D' L2 D)^2 (8f*) > Undo Setup: D R2 > > but I just think of it as a separate alg. > > I know I've seen Alg2 or a variation of it on someone's web site, but > I don't recall where. > > - Bruce

I bought this puzzle at the night bazaar in Chiang Mai, northern Thailand, last year. It is called Khun Phan. /Anders --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort <joel_vn@...> wrote: > > It took some time to find it, but I found a pic of it on the internet: > > http://iq-puzzle.com.hk/images/escape1.jpg > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > Hello guys, > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was > a > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, > and > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one > side > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but > also > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when > I > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, > and > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Joël. > > >

Extending with that last idea, if you learn the following 8, the only set-up move you'll need for these cases (two corners across a diagonal in either U or D, the third corner in the other layer) is a turn in either U or D, whichever layer has the lone corner. (245): [(RB'R'B)x3-l2]x2 (254): [l2-(RB'R'B)x3]x2 (183): [(R'FRF')x3-l2]x2 (138): [l2-(R'FRF')x3]x2 (186): [(RU'R'U)x3-l2]x2 (168): [l2-(RU'R'U)x3]x2 (457): [(R'URU')x3-l2]x2 (475): [l2-(R'URU')x3]x2 Memorizing these should be easy. In addition to the obvious regularity, note the following: 1) The lone corner is always unmatched with the other two and is in the L layer. 2) In each pair, doing l2 later (first column) rotates the corners counter-clockwise when viewed from F. I think I'll switch to this. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > OK, I just found (RB'R'B)x3-l2-(RB'R'B)x3-l2. > > Macky

Hi :-) 1) Find some alg on internet for some case 2) Copy it into some appication that gives you the input string for ACube for that case (solver or generator) 3) Run ACube and find your own preferred alg for that case ;-) -Per It's faster than having to set it up manually also... > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > No it's not urgent as such. I will make my own application that > > transforms a sequence of moves into an ACube input string format, > > possibly including layer-restrictions. > > No worries :-) > > I didn't really imagine that twists would be the preferred input method > in a program like this, since the goal here is to set up cases > graphically, presumably as quickly as possible. I accept that it > wouldn't "hurt" to add twists to the interface, but I at least thought > that this less important feature could wait until I had more time. > > Is there really a case in any method that is easier to set up with > twists rather than swaps, using a "graphical" interface? > > I'm interested to know why my program fails to meet your needs. Is there > a genuine case in any method that my program can't set up well, compared > with twists? > > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Hi, I prefer (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2. I can execute it sub-2. Right ring finger for U'. -- Johannes Laire --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Well, very fast ~27 moves. I can sub-3 (R'FRF')x3-D2-(R'FRF')x3-D2. > > I've seen that algorithm before, but isn't doing x2 and > R2U'R2U'L2UR2U'L2U2R2 faster? > > OK, I just found (RB'R'B)x3-l2-(RB'R'B)x3-l2. > > Macky > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > <brnorsk@> skribis: > > > > Hi, > > > > For (2 4 5), I would use: > > Setup: D > > Alg: R2 D' R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D2 R2 (11f*) > > Undo Setup: D' > > > > 27 turns is just too many turns for me. > > > > This alg can be decomposed into another alg with a setup: > > > > Setup: R2 D' > > Alg2: (R2 D' L2 D)^2 (8f*) > > Undo Setup: D R2 > > > > but I just think of it as a separate alg. > > > > I know I've seen Alg2 or a variation of it on someone's web site, but > > I don't recall where. > > > > - Bruce >

On that ugly cases, you can use something like (F' L F L')*3 and U turns...you don't need many algs...all I use is the A perms, algs like that one and E perms (also the H for "X" cycles) Pedro giraffeboy13 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> escreveu: Hi everyone, So, I'm working on BLD solving using the method found on macky's site. Thus far i can do everything right up to corner permutation (i save it for last). My main problem is i get lost in my set up moves. (ex. cycle: (2 4 5)I would execute U' L2 D F2 to put them in 2 3 4 positions, permute, and the back out the set-up moves). Most of the time however i screw up my moves. I guess I'm down to like 3 options: 1. Suck it up and learn how to not get lost. 2. Learn algorithms for more specific cases (I'm willing to memorize definitely. 3. Think about set up moves differently (let me know if anyone has any ideas. I appreciate any help... i'd like to hear what my best option is. I've had many a messed up BLD solve and only one successful, from the start solve. Thanks! ~John H.~ __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

It took me a while to solve that puzzle, I wrote me solution down and counted my moves, about 60moves to solve (for me, anyway) great puzzle. Eric --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel Hayes" <swedishlf@...> wrote: > > The Mandalay Box Co. Makes a version they call the "Setting Sun" > puzzle. They sell them at Cracker Barrel (or used to) here in the > states. My wife bought me one for Christmas a few years back, very > elegant looking puzzle. Some info and a solution can be found here: > > http://www.themandalayboxcompany.com/default.asp? page=products,product.asp?catID%20=12 > > Hope that helps! > Daniel > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > It took some time to find it, but I found a pic of it on the internet: > > > > http://iq-puzzle.com.hk/images/escape1.jpg > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Joël van Noort > > <joel_vn@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello guys, > > > > > > When I visited Toronto, I bought a small slide puzzel there. It was > > a > > > 4*5 'field'/grid, and it had 10 blocks. 4 1x1 blocks, 5 2x1 blocks, > > and > > > 1 2x2 block. The goal was to get the big one all the way from one > > side > > > of the grid to the other (kinda like the game 'rush hour', with the > > > difference that you can slide all the pieces in 2 dimensions). > > > > > > Anyway, it also came with a piece of paper that had solutions, but > > also > > > setup-positions, but I lost it :(. Well.. Maybe I can find it when > > I > > > clean my room ;). Anyways, does anyone recognise this description, > > and > > > do you know where I can find more info about this puzzle? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Joël. > > > > > >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > 1) Find some alg on internet for some case > 2) Copy it into some appication that gives you the input string for > ACube for that case (solver or generator) > 3) Run ACube and find your own preferred alg for that case Yes of course I know inputting a sequence of twists would be fast if you had a "text" file (or clipboard) containing the sequence in "text" form, and you just ran the "text" input through the program and got "text" output. (i.e. *not* a "graphical" frontend.) That is a completely different program to the one I was trying to write. What I was trying to write was the program you suggested here: > The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend with a cube "applet" > built into it, and of course also ACube as the backend-engine. While I didn't try to do a fully integrated 3D whiz bang Java job, I just tried to build something simple that was still effective and could get the job done. If you were at all interested in a "graphical" frontend, (separately from the program you described above), then I hope that in this respect you find my efforts helpful. -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hi :-) A strange discussion again. Ultimately a GUI with many input options is the ideal solution. This would serve: 1) Manual editing like your web-page does already 2) Copy/paste a sequence from some source 3) Manipulate a cube (applet) to get the move sequence With the following additional advanced options: - activate the "all-search" runtime, not while starting ACube (this requires tweaking Josef's ("open") code. - select layers restrictions (already supported, but made more human- friendly) - option to select only "best solutions" (default) or some threshold value or some maximal distance from optimum (again requires tweaking ACube code...) A useful option for many purposes would also be a non-gui application where we specify a sequence for the input and everything else is just like ACube is now already ... -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Heise <ryan@...> wrote: > > Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > > > 1) Find some alg on internet for some case > > 2) Copy it into some appication that gives you the input string for > > ACube for that case (solver or generator) > > 3) Run ACube and find your own preferred alg for that case > > > Yes of course I know inputting a sequence of twists would be fast if you > had a "text" file (or clipboard) containing the sequence in "text" form, > and you just ran the "text" input through the program and got "text" > output. > > (i.e. *not* a "graphical" frontend.) > > That is a completely different program to the one I was trying to write. > > What I was trying to write was the program you suggested here: > > > The optimal i guess would be a java GUI frontend with a cube "applet" > > built into it, and of course also ACube as the backend-engine. > > While I didn't try to do a fully integrated 3D whiz bang Java job, I > just tried to build something simple that was still effective and could > get the job done. > > If you were at all interested in a "graphical" frontend, (separately > from the program you described above), then I hope that in this respect > you find my efforts helpful. > > -- > Ryan Heise > http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/ >

Some nice ideas here, Macky : ) but wouldn't it be easier to do just L2 instead of l2? I really gotta try some of that cases...they come up a lot... Pedro mackymakisumi <mackymakisumi@...> escreveu: Extending with that last idea, if you learn the following 8, the only set-up move you'll need for these cases (two corners across a diagonal in either U or D, the third corner in the other layer) is a turn in either U or D, whichever layer has the lone corner. (245): [(RB'R'B)x3-l2]x2 (254): [l2-(RB'R'B)x3]x2 (183): [(R'FRF')x3-l2]x2 (138): [l2-(R'FRF')x3]x2 (186): [(RU'R'U)x3-l2]x2 (168): [l2-(RU'R'U)x3]x2 (457): [(R'URU')x3-l2]x2 (475): [l2-(R'URU')x3]x2 Memorizing these should be easy. In addition to the obvious regularity, note the following: 1) The lone corner is always unmatched with the other two and is in the L layer. 2) In each pair, doing l2 later (first column) rotates the corners counter-clockwise when viewed from F. I think I'll switch to this. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" <mackymakisumi@...> wrote: > OK, I just found (RB'R'B)x3-l2-(RB'R'B)x3-l2. > > Macky __________________________________________________ Fale com seus amigos de graça com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.messenger.yahoo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Joël! Finnaly my brother found his manual and sent me a scan of it. I will post it to you in an e-mail (I go to your site, guess I can fins an adress there =) // Kenneth

I could not find an adress there. Where shall I send the scan to then? =) // K --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth Gustavsson" <kenneth@...> wrote: > > Hi Joël! > > Finnaly my brother found his manual and sent me a scan of it. I will > post it to you in an e-mail (I go to your site, guess I can fins an > adress there =) > > // Kenneth >

Hi :-) (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 = ((R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 )*2 and ((R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 )*2 = ((F' L' U2 L F) D2)*2 = ((R B U2 B' R') D2) *2 = ((F2 U' F2' U F2) D2 )*2 My 2 cents ;-) -Per > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" <johannes.laire@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I prefer (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2. > I can execute it sub-2. Right ring finger for U'. > > -- > Johannes Laire > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Well, very fast ~27 moves. I can sub-3 (R'FRF')x3-D2-(R'FRF')x3- D2. > > > > I've seen that algorithm before, but isn't doing x2 and > > R2U'R2U'L2UR2U'L2U2R2 faster? > > > > OK, I just found (RB'R'B)x3-l2-(RB'R'B)x3-l2. > > > > Macky > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > > <brnorsk@> skribis: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > For (2 4 5), I would use: > > > Setup: D > > > Alg: R2 D' R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D2 R2 (11f*) > > > Undo Setup: D' > > > > > > 27 turns is just too many turns for me. > > > > > > This alg can be decomposed into another alg with a setup: > > > > > > Setup: R2 D' > > > Alg2: (R2 D' L2 D)^2 (8f*) > > > Undo Setup: D R2 > > > > > > but I just think of it as a separate alg. > > > > > > I know I've seen Alg2 or a variation of it on someone's web site, but > > > I don't recall where. > > > > > > - Bruce > > >

I did a video today...I was in a good mood...the RA was 15.12 :) you can download it here http://files.filefront.com/Average1512wmv/;6628002;;/fileinfo.html (~33MB) I can upload the original file (~170MB) if anyone wants a better quality one... Pedro --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Pedro <pedrosino1@...> wrote: > I could make a video of a full average as well, but I don't think many people would be interested on watching a 15-16 avg video... > > Pedro

Hi, Well, I'm pretty slow executing algs, nowhere near 9 turns/sec! I can do the optimal FTM alg faster than I can do the 26-turn algs. When I started BLD solving, I tried to use 26-move algs, but I wasn't happy with them. I found the optimal FTM alg (R2 U R2 U L2 U' R2 U L2 U2 R2 for (682)) with Cube Explorer. I like Johannes' alg ((R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2) better than the one I gave, because of its even nicer "structure" (easy to memorize) and is easier to execute than the optimal FTM alg. Thanks. So I'm starting to use that one instead. My thanks to Per, too, for listing the other algs that do the same thing. I like to set up (682), (571), (246), or (135) using U and D layer turns. The corner that doesn't change layers (U/D) is in the front. The lone corner is aligned with that corner. Then I do "the alg," its left/right mirror, its up/down mirror, or its L/R-U/D double-mirror (depending upon which case is set up, of course). The first turn moves the side (L/R) where the "front corner" and "lone corner" are. The 2nd turn moves the layer (U/D) where the lone corner was. ("The alg" here can be either of those algs listed above - they start the same way.) This is fairly simple for me. Some people may prefer using less variations of the alg, or more variations to handle more of the cases directly. Perhaps, in the future, I will use front/back mirror variations as well, but I'll stick to four until I get really comfortable with that. - Bruce --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Per Kristen Fredlund" <aspiring_to_love@...> wrote: > > Hi :-) > > (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 = ((R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 )*2 and > ((R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 )*2 = ((F' L' U2 L F) D2)*2 = ((R B U2 B' R') D2) > *2 = ((F2 U' F2' U F2) D2 )*2 > > My 2 cents ;-) > > -Per > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" > <johannes.laire@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I prefer (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2. > > I can execute it sub-2. Right ring finger for U'. > > > > -- > > Johannes Laire > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "mackymakisumi" > > <mackymakisumi@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Well, very fast ~27 moves. I can sub-3 (R'FRF')x3-D2-(R'FRF')x3- > D2. > > > > > > I've seen that algorithm before, but isn't doing x2 and > > > R2U'R2U'L2UR2U'L2U2R2 faster? > > > > > > OK, I just found (RB'R'B)x3-l2-(RB'R'B)x3-l2. > > > > > > Macky > > > > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" > > > <brnorsk@> skribis: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > For (2 4 5), I would use: > > > > Setup: D > > > > Alg: R2 D' R2 D' L2 D R2 D' L2 D2 R2 (11f*) > > > > Undo Setup: D' > > > > > > > > 27 turns is just too many turns for me. > > > > > > > > This alg can be decomposed into another alg with a setup: > > > > > > > > Setup: R2 D' > > > > Alg2: (R2 D' L2 D)^2 (8f*) > > > > Undo Setup: D R2 > > > > > > > > but I just think of it as a separate alg. > > > > > > > > I know I've seen Alg2 or a variation of it on someone's web > site, but > > > > I don't recall where. > > > > > > > > - Bruce > > > > > >

Per Kristen Fredlund wrote: > Hi :-) > > [...] This is all good. I'll conceed I didn't implement all of that. But also, I was just trying to help you somewhat. Is it so strange that I should wonder why you are dissatisfied with my trying to help you? -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

Hi, Me too. Thanks, Johannes. Now I'm thinking of going with just (731): (R2'DR2D'R2-U2)*2 and (375): (R2U'R2'UR2-D2')*2 I can't sub-2 the one you posted though! 2.2 is about the fastest I managed for any one of these. Macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Norskog" <brnorsk@...> wrote: > > I like Johannes' alg ((R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2) better > > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Johannes Laire" > > <johannes.laire@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I prefer (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2 (R2 U R2' U' R2) D2. > > > I can execute it sub-2. Right ring finger for U'. > > > > > > -- > > > Johannes Laire

Could you stop it ???? Gilles 2007/1/26, Michiel van der Blonk <blonkm@...>: > > Hey everyone, > > I finally did an update to my website http://www.vanderblonk.com. I > made a 10 min. video about speedcubing and I'd like to know what you > think (it's not for speedcubers, more for beginners). I know it's in > WMV and I'll try to get a Flash or Mpg version there. > > Also some of you might know my animated applet page, where you can > demonstrate algs. (to see it just click the "animated applet" button > on the page). I improved it and it has a lot more options now, most > notably you can add any parameter the applet understands in the url. > > Some of the options are: > - change applet by adding e.g. &applettype=petrus to the url > - 4x4 and 5x5 applet, by adding &cubesize=4 or &cubesize=5 > - stickers, this one I like in particular, e.g. > http://vanderblonk.com/cube/cubeapplet.asp? > alg=UF'U'FU'RUR'&stickers=f2l > > And of course if you have a website with algorithms you can insert a > link to the applet page that demonstrates your algorithm. > > I'll add more features soon. > > have fun! > Michiel > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey everyone, I have been working on a problem in probability and combinatorics that was proposed to me by my high school Discrete math teacher. Since the problem was proposed to me in class I know the answer already, but I'm trying for the first time to actually prove it. Here is the setup of the problem, and I've pretty much basically proved it, but I have a question on the very last step. The problem is as follows: Given n distinct numbers your task is to find the largest one. You may only look at the numbers one at a time, and once you have chosen the number you believe to be the largest one the game stops and that number is revealed to either be the largest or not the largest. Also you are not allowed to know the magnitude of any of the numbers. So out of 10 numbers, the largest one could be the number 10, or it could be the number 400,000,000. One example of this game is to have somebody else write n distinct numbers written on notecards, but you're not allowed to see them or even to know the magnitude of the numbers. The cards are then shuffled up. You then pick cards one at a time. When you think you've found the largest number you say so and the game stops. You then turn all the cards over and see if the number you picked was indeed the largest out of all n numbers. Here is an example game. Let n=5 and my 5 numbers are 1) -40 2) 25.6 3) -2,761 4) 100,000 5) 57 Clearly the 100,000 is the largest number, but again I have no idea of the magnitude of these 5 numbers. These numbers are written on notecards and I choose them at random. Here is an example of me playing the game where I would choose the correct number as the largest number. Say the first number I choose was the 57. I would rather see more numbers than think this number is the largest one. So I don't say anything. I pick another number, and say the one I choose is -2,761. This number is smaller than 57 so I know this isn't the largest number. I would then choose to pick another number. Say the next number I pick is 25.6. I would know this number isn't larger than 57 so this can't be the largest number. I then choose to pick another number. Say the next one I pick is the 100,000. I would choose to take this number because it is the first number larger than the largest one I've seen so far, the 57. It turns out that this would be correct. Using the same numbers here is an example of a game where I lose and don't choose the correct largest number. Say the first number I pick is the -2,761. I would then choose another number. Say the next number I choose is the -40. I would again choose to see another number, and say I pick the 57. It turns out that I would actually choose the 57, since it is more than the largest I have seen so far, which is -40. In this case though, the largest number is the 100,000 so I have chosen incorrectly and would be considered to have lost this game. What I did to solve this problem was to create a strategy based on however many numbers, n, that there are. This is the only piece of information that I know about the game when I start, because again I have no idea of the magnitude of any of these numbers. If there are n numbers, I have to choose how many I will look at before I allow myself to choose a number that I think is the largest number. If I have 10 numbers, should I let 2 go by to get an idea of the magnitude, or 3? This is the strategy I have to find out. The way I did this was to consider choosing the cards as an ordered n-tuple of the positive integers 1 through n. The integer 1 here represents the card with the smallest value. The integer 2 represents the card with the second smallest value. The number n represents the largest number out of the n. A choosing game can be represented as an ordered n-tuple of the numbers 1 through n. Even though the rules of the game are that once you choose a number to be the largest one you stop the game, you have to stretch this a little for creating an ordered n-tuple. Let's say that after you choose the largest number, your choice cannot be changed. But you do continue turning over cards until you turn over all of them. Consider this your check to see if the number you picked was indeed the largest. So the first example game I played could be the ordered 5-tuple (4,1,3,5,2). The 4 means I first turned over the 4th largest number, here the 57. The 1 means I turned over the -2,761 which is the smallest number. And so on for the rest. In the example I never actually turned over the -40 card, the final 2 in the 5- tuple. But let's say I continued even after choosing the 100,000 to make sure that it was indeed the largest number. If the card after the 100,000 turned out to be an even larger number I could not have chosen it though, my choice of the 100,000 was final. The second example game I played could be written as the ordered 5- tuple (1,2,4,5,3) or it also could have been the game (1,2,4,3,5). Since the last two can change after I had chosen the 4th largest number. The part of the game that comes after the number you choose doesn't matter, and can take all the possible permutations of the remaining numbers. Anyway what I did was to adopt the following strategy. First I let some portion of the n numbers "go by". By this I mean that I know I will never choose a number out of the first group of numbers I look at. The strategy I was using in the two example problems I gave was to let 2 numbers go by. I knew from the start that I would never choose a number in that first group of 2, because I still don't have any idea of the magnitude of the numbers. After the first two have gone by I remember the largest number I have seen so far. If I see a number after the first two that is larger than this largest number from the first group I pick it no matter what. My goal here was to find the odds, given n numbers, of correctly choosing the largest number by employing this strategy and varying the number of numbers I let go by from the start. So I took n numbers and always let the first one go by. This gave me a chance of (1/n)*sumation(i=1 to i=n-1, 1/i) which you can write as (1/n)*[1+(1/2)+(1/3)+(1/4)+(1/5)+(1/6)+...+(1/n-2)+(1/n-2)]. For example if there are 100 numbers, then I let n=100 and the odds are 5.2% that I would indeed choose the largest number. These odds aren't very good. So I looked at the odds, given n numbers of letting 2 go by. This chance is (2/n)*sumation(i=2 to i=n-1, 1/i) or written out that's (2/n)*[(1/2)+(1/3)+(1/4)+(1/5)+(1/6)+...+(1/(n-2))+(1/(n-1))] And if n=100 the chances are 8.4% to choose the correct largest number. I then looked at the general problem of letting k numbers go by. The odds to correctly choose the largest number employing the given strategy for having n numbers and letting k go by is (k/n)*sumation(i=k to i=n-1, 1/i) or written out that's (k/n)*[(1/k)+ (1/(k+1))+(1/(k+2))+(1/(k+3))+...+(1/(n-2))+(1/(n-1))] So now the problem is basically solved except for one part. Given n numbers, how many should I let go by? Now the sad part is I know the answer, because we did this problem in class. The answer is to let n/e of the numbers go by. Round to the nearest whole number when you do this division. So again it spoils this problem a little bit that I know the answer. But I'd really like to know how to prove it for real. This is the part I don't know how to do. I've tried doing this: limit as n->infinity of (k/n)*sumation(i=k to i=n-1, 1/i) to try to see if I could somehow reduce to this: limit n->infinity of [(n-1)/n]^n which I know evaluates to 1/e Also the odds of correctly guessing the number, employing the strategy of letting the first n/e numbers go by approaches 1/e as n approaches infinity. I verified this by trying out many different games with different values of n, and finding that at n/e the odds are always better than any other value of k for that game. I don't like the empirical solution to this problem, where you test and find that the odds are approaching 1/e, but is this the only way? Is there a way I can use the following: limit as n->infinity of (k/n)*sumation(i=k to i=n-1, 1/i) to somehow prove that when you take this limit the sum inside does in fact approach 1/e? Thanks for any help. I'm very excited to have even gotten as far as I have gotten, to know the general odds letting k numbers go by out of n total, but I'd like to know how to take this problem to the very last step and achieve the result we did in class assuming I didn't know how many to let go by out of n numbers and wanted to discover this best number k. Thanks for any help, Chris

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Gilles van den Peereboom" <gillesvdp@...> wrote: > > Could you stop it ???? Yes I can. I am not addicted to posting the same message over and over again. Apparently there was a problem at yahoo groups, which was also shown on the groups home page yesterday, where posts from gmail were delayed. At the time I posted the problem was not known, so I assumed something went wrong when posting. I tried to post with all kinds of browser settings, and now they're all there, duh... I apologize for all the spam! Michiel http://www.vanderblonk.com (I couldn't resist)

Fine, Yahoo!, post my messages several hours later... I suppose this delay is also why the same topic has been posted so many times... ... --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > >Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 > > average-of-100 > > Average of ten? >

I'm not sure what your numbering scheme is, but whenever I have to deal with two opposite corners in one layer and a corner in the other layer, I always perform some combination of (R B' R' B)^3 For example: U (R B' R' B)^3 U2 (R B' R' B)^3 U On 1/26/07, giraffeboy13 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > So, I'm working on BLD solving using the method found on macky's > site. Thus far i can do everything right up to corner permutation (i > save it for last). My main problem is i get lost in my set up moves. > (ex. cycle: (2 4 5)I would execute U' L2 D F2 to put them in 2 3 4 > positions, permute, and the back out the set-up moves). Most of the > time however i screw up my moves. I guess I'm down to like 3 options: > 1. Suck it up and learn how to not get lost. > 2. Learn algorithms for more specific cases (I'm willing to memorize > definitely. > 3. Think about set up moves differently (let me know if anyone has any > ideas. > I appreciate any help... i'd like to hear what my best option is. > I've had many a messed up BLD solve and only one successful, from the > start solve. Thanks! > > ~John H.~ > >

> And of course, there's one person who should probably come to mind in > terms of honesty in actual performance... a certain young cuber who > showed up to Caltech Winter 2006 and started posting incredibly faster > averages not too long after. I think it's blatantly obvious who you are talking about, and I would defend this person for two reasons: 1. he/she (guess which one) once held the unofficial world record for single solve, so I don't think there's any doubt they have the speed to put up excellent times; 2. because of their gender being in the minority and the reputation of being the #1 cuber in the world of that gender (until a certain Dzoan came along), they very likely felt much more pressure than others in the public eye, which I feel could very easily cause a huge difference in time between at-home and in-the-spotlight. In a similar vein, let's keep in mind that Thibaut beat out the current world champion in competition. You think going up against the official #1 doesn't create some intense nervousness? I'd say chances are good that this person is legit also. Just because YJM and some others handle the pressure well, doesn't mean everyone does. FWIW, I've never been in a comp, but when I solve in front of my co- workers, my times are very often 25+% slower than when I am at home. So I am unswayed by arguments that such a difference is unreasonable.

1. "...unofficial..." 2. Out of 28 officially timed solves after Caltech Winter 2006, from fastest to slowest, she had only two 14.xx times, one 15.xx time, and two 16.xx times. That leaves 23 more times, which I will not post. Darren P.S. Perhaps Yahoo! took a while to get this posted as well, as my other complaint about Yahoo! was posted a day or two after I sent it. 01/27/2007, 11:00 PM PST

On a friend's behalf: "It's very simple. You aren't better than someone until you beat them in competition. Don't defend someone for something they only claim to do until they prove it in competition. Being able to perform on the stage is part of the sport. It is not an excuse for poor times. Being the unofficial record holder doesn't mean anything. Do you know how easy it is for my friend Kent Adams to be the unofficial record holder? He averages 10.5 seconds for an average of 100. His blindfold times are all under 70 seconds, and he can swallow a scrambled cube and crap it out solved. He's simply better than EVERYONE else in the world. He just chooses not to post, because he feels the unofficial records are meaningless. And to be honest, they are. Many top cubers in the world have stopped posting, because we realize they don't mean anything. Stop using unofficial world records as evidence for anything. It's like writing your own history book, and then using it as proof. (Hmm... I know people who do that with other books too.)"

So, if your current girlfriend is your kth girlfriend out of n potential wives, you should marry her if n/k < e. Or if you've already had more than n/e girlfriends, you should marry the next one that's better than all your ex-girlfriends. And it's (almost) always a bad idea to marry your first girlfriend.

Hi I just received a 2x2x2, and I use a basic 3x3x3 method with U orient and permute, and D orient then permute. Sometimes I come upon a situation where two adjacent or opposite corners need to be swapped. What is the fastest way to solve this position? With U up, you can do x2 RUR F' RUR'U' R'F R2U'R' z2y' Thanks, Miles

Hey, most people don't have a camera, for at home taping. I had one but I could only make movies of 4 minutes do to lack of memory. Also when you do have a cam and want to tape your best times, you have to put it on ALWAYS or you'd miss some things. As for competition times not relating to non-official times, I'm very nervous at competitions and I know it's the same thing for some other cubers. You should've seen my hands shake at the EC. Gungz doesn't seem to lack of nerves so that's impressive :) Let's hope nervousity will drop :) Erik --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, smgfreak_dk <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Fine, Yahoo!, post my messages several hours later... I suppose this > delay is also why the same topic has been posted so many times... > > ... > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@...m, smgfreak_dk > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > >Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 > > > average-of-100 > > > > Average of ten? > > >

Hi Miles =) For the adjacent case you can put only one of the corners in proper position by turnin the U-layer and then use the usual three-cycle corner permutatin of nine moves (+ U = 10). That is the shortest alg to solve the case. The opposite case is the hardest of them all and needs at least 11 turns HTM (maximum depth for the 2x2x2 is 11 HTM). To solve the case easy you can use a usual 3x3x3 N-permutation or any other PLL that swaps those corners. // Kenneth --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "Miles Yucht" <mgyucht@...> wrote: > > Hi > > I just received a 2x2x2, and I use a basic 3x3x3 method with U orient > and permute, and D orient then permute. Sometimes I come upon a > situation where two adjacent or opposite corners need to be swapped. > What is the fastest way to solve this position? With U up, you can do > x2 RUR F' RUR'U' R'F R2U'R' z2y' > > Thanks, > > Miles >

i thought of a cool idea for the applet...maybe you could have it give us the scrambling alg as well so we could compare a real vs simulation solve...just an idea, i thought i'd throw out at you, i know there's a lot of work done and suggestions out there already, and you're very busy, so feel free to ignore me :) --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When I saw this I started laughing and felt everyone else might want to see it. http://youtube.com/watch?v=LnA6bRTwqp0 Look at the second last comment by anthony798 or something like that...*rolls eyes* Craig

Clancy Cochran wrote: > i thought of a cool idea for the applet...maybe you could have it give > us the scrambling alg as well so we could compare a real vs simulation > solve...just an idea, i thought i'd throw out at you, i know there's a > lot of work done and suggestions out there already, and you're very > busy, so feel free to ignore me :) Hi Clancy, I'll definitely consider this when I next get time to work on it, which will hopefully be in March. But yes, there are a lot of features I have been planning / wanting to have for a while, as well as all of those features that users have suggested, and so the next update will probably be a big one. Some features that I would really love to implement are: - A "fewest moves" mode - Some sort of player profiles feature. - A virtual room in which you can both a) chat with each other, and b) share the same cube with each other. The intention is that you could teach someone how to solve the cube in this room. - In the head-to-head battles, use the profile pictures (if they exist) so that you can "see" who you're racing :-) -- Ryan Heise http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/

That's true, A better way to have phrased my question might have been to mention it is the "Marriage problem" or at least that is how it was proposed to us in class when I first saw this. My question though is how do you know to divide n by e? Why don't you divide by pi^2/4? That's pretty close to e. Where does the e come from is my question. The farthest I've gotten is that I've found an expression that tells you the general odds for letting k girlfriends go by out of n potential wives of correctly choosing the best wife. This expression is: (k/n)*summation(i=k to i=n-1, 1/i) But how can I maximize these odds by finding the right value for k? Clearly k has to be a portion, or fraction, of the number n since the number k changes as n changes. I've thought about rephrasing the above sum as follows: let k=p*n where p represents the portion of the n you let go by. Clearly this p should evaluate to 1/e if I solve correctly. I'm trying to find a way to use this substition for k and also to approximate the entire sum as a continuous function, where the normal rules of calculus would make this much easier to maximize the value of the function. I'm thinking that maybe the sum as n approaches infinity could be thought of as an infinite Taylor series expansion of some continuous function, which I could then differentiate to try to maximize the value for k. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. The entire reason I've brought this up is that I realized when solving this problem that I've never really had to maximize a discrete function before and I'm not sure which tools to use to make this easier. And no I'm not trying to figure out the Marriage problem to use it to get married :-) I think one fatal flaw in that idea is that you have to correctly guess the number n of girlfriends you expect to have in your entire life. Maybe this does lead to an interesting more general problem, or number game if you like that better, where given some unknown number of numbers whose magnitude you do not know you have to find the largest number. From there adopt a strategy to find the largest one, and find the strategy that gives you the greatest odds of finding the number. The chances of finding the largest number would have to be less than 1/e since you are also guessing what n is. That seems interesting, but before I try that I'm still stuck on the regular plain old Marriage problem! ;-) Chris --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > So, if your current girlfriend is your kth girlfriend out of n > potential wives, you should marry her if n/k < e. Or if you've already > had more than n/e girlfriends, you should marry the next one that's > better than all your ex-girlfriends. And it's (almost) always a bad > idea to marry your first girlfriend. >

dont worry bout it man. thats js youtube for you. 75% of posters are complete idiots who prolly spend all their life on it

--- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "r2zou" <r2zou@...> wrote: > > dont worry bout it man. thats js youtube for you. 75% of posters are > complete idiots who prolly spend all their life on it > Oh, I know that, I just found it entertaining that he would bother to say that...

Your sum works out to the sum of (nx^n)/n! but the n in the top cancels with one from the bottom, so it's (x^n)/(n-1)! . The power series of e^x is x^n/n! That should help some. If you don't see how to get that first part, just start adding your fractions. The leading term of the polynomial is large enough to make the other terms negligible. If you want a fun math problem, prove there are no 2 integers the sum of whose squares is 12,345,678. I did that as a junior in high school, no knowledge past algebra is necessary. Give it a try. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > That's true, > > A better way to have phrased my question might have been to mention it > is the "Marriage problem" or at least that is how it was proposed to > us in class when I first saw this. > > My question though is how do you know to divide n by e? Why don't you > divide by pi^2/4? That's pretty close to e. Where does the e come > from is my question. > > The farthest I've gotten is that I've found an expression that tells > you the general odds for letting k girlfriends go by out of n > potential wives of correctly choosing the best wife. This expression > is: > > (k/n)*summation(i=k to i=n-1, 1/i) > > But how can I maximize these odds by finding the right value for k? > Clearly k has to be a portion, or fraction, of the number n since the > number k changes as n changes. > > I've thought about rephrasing the above sum as follows: > > let k=p*n where p represents the portion of the n you let go by. > Clearly this p should evaluate to 1/e if I solve correctly. > > I'm trying to find a way to use this substition for k and also to > approximate the entire sum as a continuous function, where the normal > rules of calculus would make this much easier to maximize the value of > the function. I'm thinking that maybe the sum as n approaches > infinity could be thought of as an infinite Taylor series expansion of > some continuous function, which I could then differentiate to try to > maximize the value for k. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. The entire reason I've > brought this up is that I realized when solving this problem that I've > never really had to maximize a discrete function before and I'm not > sure which tools to use to make this easier. > > And no I'm not trying to figure out the Marriage problem to use it to > get married :-) I think one fatal flaw in that idea is that you have > to correctly guess the number n of girlfriends you expect to have in > your entire life. Maybe this does lead to an interesting more general > problem, or number game if you like that better, where given some > unknown number of numbers whose magnitude you do not know you have to > find the largest number. From there adopt a strategy to find the > largest one, and find the strategy that gives you the greatest odds of > finding the number. > > The chances of finding the largest number would have to be less than > 1/e since you are also guessing what n is. That seems interesting, > but before I try that I'm still stuck on the regular plain old > Marriage problem! ;-) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > So, if your current girlfriend is your kth girlfriend out of n > > potential wives, you should marry her if n/k < e. Or if you've > already > > had more than n/e girlfriends, you should marry the next one that's > > better than all your ex-girlfriends. And it's (almost) always a bad > > idea to marry your first girlfriend. > > >

In my opinion, directly evaluating a limit is almost never the best way to do something. Anyway, why does your high school have a discrete mathematics course? Seems a little too specialized at that point. Do they do that before or after calculus? --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, cmhardw <no_reply@...> wrote: > > That's true, > > A better way to have phrased my question might have been to mention it > is the "Marriage problem" or at least that is how it was proposed to > us in class when I first saw this. > > My question though is how do you know to divide n by e? Why don't you > divide by pi^2/4? That's pretty close to e. Where does the e come > from is my question. > > The farthest I've gotten is that I've found an expression that tells > you the general odds for letting k girlfriends go by out of n > potential wives of correctly choosing the best wife. This expression > is: > > (k/n)*summation(i=k to i=n-1, 1/i) > > But how can I maximize these odds by finding the right value for k? > Clearly k has to be a portion, or fraction, of the number n since the > number k changes as n changes. > > I've thought about rephrasing the above sum as follows: > > let k=p*n where p represents the portion of the n you let go by. > Clearly this p should evaluate to 1/e if I solve correctly. > > I'm trying to find a way to use this substition for k and also to > approximate the entire sum as a continuous function, where the normal > rules of calculus would make this much easier to maximize the value of > the function. I'm thinking that maybe the sum as n approaches > infinity could be thought of as an infinite Taylor series expansion of > some continuous function, which I could then differentiate to try to > maximize the value for k. > > Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. The entire reason I've > brought this up is that I realized when solving this problem that I've > never really had to maximize a discrete function before and I'm not > sure which tools to use to make this easier. > > And no I'm not trying to figure out the Marriage problem to use it to > get married :-) I think one fatal flaw in that idea is that you have > to correctly guess the number n of girlfriends you expect to have in > your entire life. Maybe this does lead to an interesting more general > problem, or number game if you like that better, where given some > unknown number of numbers whose magnitude you do not know you have to > find the largest number. From there adopt a strategy to find the > largest one, and find the strategy that gives you the greatest odds of > finding the number. > > The chances of finding the largest number would have to be less than > 1/e since you are also guessing what n is. That seems interesting, > but before I try that I'm still stuck on the regular plain old > Marriage problem! ;-) > > Chris > > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > So, if your current girlfriend is your kth girlfriend out of n > > potential wives, you should marry her if n/k < e. Or if you've > already > > had more than n/e girlfriends, you should marry the next one that's > > better than all your ex-girlfriends. And it's (almost) always a bad > > idea to marry your first girlfriend. > > >

Ignorant people. Go on youtube and search "5x5x5"and find my 1:51 solve from Dallas that has been viewed like 250,000 times.. read some of those comments. They get brutal sometimes, but I just shrug it off. It's cool Craig, the people who matter respect what you did there. Frank Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "r2zou" <r2zou@...> wrote: > > dont worry bout it man. thats js youtube for you. 75% of posters are > complete idiots who prolly spend all their life on it > Oh, I know that, I just found it entertaining that he would bother to say that... --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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You are squaring 2 different numbers and then adding them. For example, 102, and 202 is 10404 + 40804 = 51208, which ends in an 8. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Dan L <azndlo15@...> wrote: > > No integer squared will leave the one's place with an 8. > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

slobbergoat (5 months ago) they have something in their brain that i dont :( croninburg (5 months ago) Asperger's syndrome. Now that was funny. --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Frank Morris <ephem825@...> wrote: > > Ignorant people. Go on youtube and search "5x5x5"and find my 1:51 solve from Dallas that has been viewed like 250,000 times.. read some of those comments. They get brutal sometimes, but I just shrug it off. It's cool Craig, the people who matter respect what you did there. > > Frank > > Craig Bouchard <logitewty@...> wrote: > --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, "r2zou" <r2zou@> wrote: > > > > dont worry bout it man. thats js youtube for you. 75% of posters are > > complete idiots who prolly spend all their life on it > > > > Oh, I know that, I just found it entertaining that he would bother to say that...

you guys should read the comments on katsu's 5.xx solve. no one can grasp the idea behind it and are all saying they can do it too if they scrambled it and did it backwards. lol good luck maintaining 6.71 tps. they prolly couldnt do it on two sides, let alone to solve a cube.

Quadratic residues mod 8 are 1 and 4, so no sum of two squares can be 6 mod 8. macky --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, nailicis2 <no_reply@...> wrote: > > You are squaring 2 different numbers and then adding them. For example, > 102, and 202 is 10404 + 40804 = 51208, which ends in an 8. >

Hmm... all I have to say is... Enough is enough! I have had it with these mother!@#$ing memory masters on this mother!@#$ing plane! That's my philosophy. -Tyson On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:54 PM, David wrote: > good points :) > > I don't have a camera, but I also don't have under 13 seconds > averages. If I > was that good, i I would ask one of my friends to use their camera. > Its not > that every time people should upload videos, but one video at least > shows > how good you are. > > On 1/25/07, Clancy Cochran <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > > > i can understand not everyone has access to video cameras, but in > this > > world of technology i'm sure everyone knows someone that has a > camera they > > can use, i know if i was doing sub 13 averages of 100, i'd find a > camera, > > and be motivated to share what my very hard work had accomplished. > > > > i can appreciate that the best work is done at home, i am no > exception to > > that, but i don't do 16 averages at home then come in to comps and > do 22 > > averages. i don't see how the competition pressure could be such a > huge > > difference. ron does great at most competitions, and more > importantly he > > doesn't say that at home he has 11 second averages, he conveys his > skill > > very accurately and has a lot of documentation to back it up. same > with yjm, > > he had numerous amazing sunday contest videos, then when the time > came he > > walked into a competition and wiped the floor, first comp ever and > a sub 12 > > average. > > > > using the example you did, how can i possible be expected to > believe those > > averages from thibaut. average of 12 was 11.63 and average of 100 > 12.5.... > > when i look at competition times, he has had 23 total solves, only > 3 are sub > > 15, how can your times be nearly 25% worse in competitions? also, > 7.56 f2l > > average...first that sounds pretty low for a cuber that has usually > averaged > > well over 15 seconds in comps, second how do you stop to take time > when > > doing all these amazing solves to note each f2l time? i hate to say > it but i > > don't believe it and i think it takes away from people like yjm > that are > > actually able to do it. it really does a discourtesy to misrepresent > > yourself to other cubers since its makes the difficult seem easy, > or the > > impossible seem possible. > > > > unofficial records are a joke because these little embellishments > get out > > of hand and people claim crazy things. i think its kind of lost it > purpose > > as a gauge of at home performances, which is why i don't have any > unofficial > > records, except for things that dont' happen at competitions like > supercubes > > and relays. i like the idea and its a great part of > speedcubing.com, but i > > think it has lost some of its value because of things like this. > > > > Stefan Pochmann <pochmann@... <pochmann%40gmx.de>> wrote: Lack of > > videos could be explained by lack of money for a video camera > > > > or lack of motivation to make videos. > > > > Lack of similar competition times can be explained by 1) the much > > higher number of attempts in practice compared with competitions and > > 2) nervousness etc caused by the competition environment. Ron for > > example needed quite a few competitions to get times like he can > > regularly do in relaxed practice or even moments before or after his > > official attempts. > > > > Also, I think even for Yu Jeong-Min his 11.76 is an exception. His > > record average of 100 is 13.52 so his 13.40 average in the final > > competition round is what should be expected. > > > > Simply don't take the unoffical results seriously. The official > > results are what counts. Thibaut for example reported an 11.63 > > average-of-100 but in my eyes Yu Jeong-Min is much better simply > > because he performs when it really matters. > > > > Cheers! > > Stefan > > > > --- In > speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com<speedsolvingrubikscube%40yahoogr > oups.com>, > > Clancy Cochran > > <perscription_death@...> wrote: > > > > > > maybe i'm just a hater, but since i'm so good at it, i was just > > wondering why only gungz is man enough to record the amazing > averages > > he claims. i see quite a number of what i would consider to be hard > > to believe averages in the sunday contest and in the unofficial > list, > > without video proof or (much more importantly) even close to > > equivalent competition times, and no one (except for gungz) has > shown > > a lick a proof that they achieve these 11-12 seconds averages. whats > > up, and does anyone else think/wonder this also or am i indeed just > a > > hater? > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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I think we should consider scrapping Magic. It's not really even easy to regulate anymore. Thoughts? -Tyson On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > When I saw this I started laughing and felt everyone else might want > to see it. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=LnA6bRTwqp0 > > Look at the second last comment by anthony798 or something like > that...*rolls eyes* > > Craig > > >

I'd probably be bitter about it, but I completely agree. Any other thoughts? Craig --- In speedsolvingrubikscube@yahoogroups.com, Tyson Mao <tyson.mao@...> wrote: > > I think we should consider scrapping Magic. It's not really even easy > to regulate anymore. Thoughts? > > -Tyson > > On Jan 28, 2007, at 5:22 AM, Craig Bouchard wrote: > > > When I saw this I started laughing and felt everyone else might want > > to see it. > > > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=LnA6bRTwqp0 > > > > Look at the second last comment by anthony798 or something like > > that...*rolls eyes* > > > > Craig > > > > > > >